JohnC Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 +1. If you want him, take him at 8. I'm with you. If you have a conviction on him or any other qb then go ahead and take.him. Why risk losing him to other teams? If you don't like him then pass on him. Nix hesitated on a number of good prospects who turned out to be impactful players. When sitting on your hands get you nowhere then get off your duff and free your hands to make a belated move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Can we just put a jugs machine back there as the QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Can we just put a jugs machine back there as the QB? I take it this is your veiled endorsement of Mike Glennon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I take it this is your veiled endorsement of Mike Glennon? A jugs machine is cheaper and doesn't need a pat on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 A jugs machine is cheaper and doesn't need a pat on the back. You'd probably need to modify it a bit so it could draw up plays, but an engineer at around $200K salary sure beats R1-2 QB money. I think you're on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 1) his arm is no better than fitz 2) he does not want to play in a cold weather venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 If I had no QBs on the roster and the only two available were Matt Moore and Ryan Fitzpatrick, I might go Moore. I like him OK as a journeyman/backup type. But at this point, I don't think Moore's got anything that could make up for Fitz's basic familiarity with Stevie, the RBs, and the line. Which isn't a high bar to a real replacement, but it's enough for me not to worry about the 1-2% of extra talent Moore might have. Exactly. As I stated upthread, our veteran placeholder QB is immaterial. He's eventually gonna be the backup and mentor for the QB we draft this year. It really doesn't matter much who the veteran ends up being. Thus, base your veteran QB decision mostly on cap impact both this year and for the future. +1. If you want him, take him at 8. What if you don't like him at #8 but like him at #41? That's a huge difference in risk/reward and cost/benefit. Of course if they're totally sold on him, by all means take him at #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 There is no magic here... the Bills have to stink next year to get the 1st overall pick. Meaning, we have to stink to get our once in a lifetime QB. Even average Bill's players are retiring... they see the writing on the wall. Why beat up your body for a team that is going to be so bad it will be painful to watch? Most fans will buy into a bad season if we are playing all young guys. Don't fake it... just be bad and develop the young guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) There is no magic here... the Bills have to stink next year to get the 1st overall pick. Meaning, we have to stink to get our once in a lifetime QB. Really?.... -Im not so sure. In 2014, you’re getting Murray AND McCarron both seasoned to PERFECTON. Then there’s guys like Tyler Russell, Connor shaw, Teddy Bridgewater, Keith price, Stephen Morris, Bo wallace, Logan Thomas and (my sleeper) Gary Nova. Even at a glance, it’s a FAR SUPERIOR crop of kids. Don’t do it, Buddy. Hand Pettine the keys to the draft and STEP AWAY. Edited March 6, 2013 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Really?.... -Im not so sure. In 2014, you’re getting Murray AND McCarron both seasoned to PERFECTON. Then there’s guys like Tyler Russell, Connor shaw, Teddy Bridgewater, Keith price, Stephen Morris, Bo wallace, Logan Thomas and (my sleeper) Gary Nova. Even at a glance, it’s a FAR SUPERIOR crop of kids. Don’t do it, Buddy. Hand Pettine the keys to the draft and STEP AWAY. Also Taj Boyd. Whoever the Bills draft at QB this year (and they will), they'll have a full year to evaluate the guy. If they don't like him or his progress, they can draft a QB next year. Agree that there's no reason to suck this year for a QB next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Really?.... -Im not so sure. In 2014, you’re getting Murray AND McCarron both seasoned to PERFECTON. Then there’s guys like Tyler Russell, Connor shaw, Teddy Bridgewater, Keith price, Stephen Morris, Bo wallace, Logan Thomas and (my sleeper) Gary Nova. Even at a glance, it’s a FAR SUPERIOR crop of kids. Don’t do it, Buddy. Hand Pettine the keys to the draft and STEP AWAY. You're probably right, but think back to last year. Barkley was only supposed to get better. Ditto for Tyler Wilson. Weren't they supposed to be leading this year's crop as sure-fire franchise QBs? Also Taj Boyd. Whoever the Bills draft at QB this year (and they will), they'll have a full year to evaluate the guy. If they don't like him or his progress, they can draft a QB next year. Agree that there's no reason to suck this year for a QB next year. Agreed. At this point Russ/Nix/Whaley must realize they've got to get that QB and it has to be the top priority. No need for Moore. Taravaris can be the stopgap if necessary. I like Fitz but its time to pass the torch. It's a new era in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Also Taj Boyd. Yah, wow, how could I forget about that guy?! Anyway, to me, the "just keep drafting" angle seems weird, wasteful, and wishy-washy... I support a more modular approach to team-building where you draft what's readily available on one side of the ball, and supplement via FA's, and UDFA's until you can do the same on the other. I'd trust Hackett alot more after a year of seeing him work with a journeyman QB. Handing him a first rounder at this juncture is just too risky IMO... Especially given the QB talent on display. By contrast, I'm FAR more comfortable allowing Pettine to shore-up the LB and Safety corp with early picks. Seriously, what if Ansah is there at 8??? -Are we actually gonna pass on that? Sheesh, I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yah, wow, how could I forget about that guy?! Anyway, to me, the "just keep drafting" angle seems weird, wasteful, and wishy-washy... I support a more modular approach to team-building where you draft what's readily available on one side of the ball, and supplement via FA's, and UDFA's until you can do the same on the other. I'd trust Hackett alot more after a year of seeing him work with a journeyman QB. Handing him a first rounder at this juncture is just too risky IMO... Especially given the QB talent on display. By contrast, I'm FAR more comfortable allowing Pettine to shore-up the LB and Safety corp with early picks. Seriously, what if Ansah is there at 8??? -Are we actually gonna pass on that? Sheesh, I hope not. I disagree with you on the approach to QB acquisition. Nix has drafted the likes of Torrell Troup and Aaron Williams in the second round so I'd be perfectly fine with the Bills drafting a second round QB to work with Marrone/Hackett. Like others have said, the risk/reward at #41 is good for a QB, especially a QB with a high upside. If you don't like which way it's going after a year of evaluation, draft another QB next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) You're probably right, but think back to last year. Barkley was only supposed to get better. Ditto for Tyler Wilson. Weren't they supposed to be leading this year's crop as sure-fire franchise QBs? Not according to me... For the record, I never cared for Barkley, and frankly still don't. Tyler Wilson, on the other hand, is a kid who I feel got the rug snatched out from under him when Petrino crashed and burned. He may not end up being a superstar, but he looks promising to me. Nice arm strength, good accuracy (when he's on), Confident, etc. Honestly, if we end up taking a QB at #8, T. Wilson is the one I would mind THE LEAST. Edited March 6, 2013 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Good idea, but it would require some brains in the FO to bring in the Dolphins team MVP of 2011. The Bills are lacking in that dept. I don't know wth you guys are thinking, first you denigrate Nix and then want him to draft a QB in any round? He should draft on of the can't miss top 3 LT's with the 8th pick. Then looking back at the last 3 drafts Nix was responsible for...he should then take a nap for the rest of the draft after that #8 as he hasn't hit on anybody after that first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Good idea, but it would require some brains in the FO to bring in the Dolphins team MVP of 2011. The Bills are lacking in that dept. I don't know wth you guys are thinking, first you denigrate Nix and then want him to draft a QB in any round? He should draft on of the can't miss top 3 LT's with the 8th pick. Then looking back at the last 3 drafts Nix was responsible for...he should then take a nap for the rest of the draft after that #8 as he hasn't hit on anybody after that first pick. Dude, you've been really worked up the last few days. Free agency hasn't even started yet. Try to relax a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I disagree with you on the approach to QB acquisition. Nix has drafted the likes of Torrell Troup and Aaron Williams in the second round so I'd be perfectly fine with the Bills drafting a second round QB to work with Marrone/Hackett. Like others have said, the risk/reward at #41 is good for a QB, especially a QB with a high upside. If you don't like which way it's going after a year of evaluation, draft another QB next year. Oh, I totally, understand the thought process, I just think drafting one this year smacks of desperation. -An emotion known to cloud judgement. After paying Fitz like he did in '11, I question every move Buddy makes. Much better for his cred, IMO, to stand his ground, and say 'hey, the guy just isn't there.' Even if I set the Russell Wilson, and TJ Graham calls aside, I still don't have much faith in Buddy's judgement. Which is the same, except now he's (put himself) under pressure to deliver a franchise QB. Maybe things will work out... Still, I'd hate to miss out on a potential marquis defensive player (like Ansah) just so Buddy can say "mission accomplished" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Good idea, but it would require some brains in the FO to bring in the Dolphins team MVP of 2011. The Bills are lacking in that dept. I don't know wth you guys are thinking, first you denigrate Nix and then want him to draft a QB in any round? He should draft on of the can't miss top 3 LT's with the 8th pick. Then looking back at the last 3 drafts Nix was responsible for...he should then take a nap for the rest of the draft after that #8 as he hasn't hit on anybody after that first pick. Agree 1,000,000,000% on the nap! ...A little warm milk... A Blankey... Set the alarm for round 6, so he can wake up and grab a cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 We can get the Fins backup QB? Super Bowl! Moore has had his moments, but he's a backup at best. I think the Fins having a top 10 defense was the main reason Miami won with him as a starter. I know we all have to hate Fitz. Trust me, I want him replaced. But if you JAG (Just A Guy) QBs like Alex Smith or Matt Moore would have magically made the Bills into a winning team with one of the worst defenses in the league, you're delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 +1. You draft one, and he fails, then you draft another one. If he fails too, you draft another one, until you hit it. Like finding someone to take home from the bar just before closing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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