BringBackFergy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I know it is considered a minuscule issue or as some say "we can grab one as an UDFA"...but I hope we are rethinking our kicking game with a young, strong, accurate kicker. We need the following: 1) One who can consistently kick the ball out of the endzone or deep into it; 2) One who can consistently perform the onside erratic bounce kick (need two bounces not one); 3) One who can make a field goal from 50-55 without batting an eye; I see alot of close games in our future and the kicking game may be an overlooked component and a difference maker. Al Davis caught alot of heat for drafting Sebastian Janikowski with an early pick but he is still booming kicks and is accurate. I am not saying we need a kicker in Rounds 1-6, but if there is a talented young kicker out there, he may be worth a look. Lindell is a great teammate, but if Chan didn't trust him to kick a 45 yarder, what is that saying about our chances to win close games. The Atlanta kicker is a case in point. That dude rocked that kick with 10 yards to spare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) just a stream of thought being spilled out of my head here but.... note that the atlanta kicker isnt doing kickoffs, i believe (it wasnt him on the squib atleast) i imagine in a dome, lindell likely boots that kick fairly consistently - it was what, like 48 yards? if theres a guy out there i wouldnt mind at all pursuing them though. upgrades always welcome when available. i think that they were probably waiting til the offseason to make a move to keep continuity there, but i was initially a little surprised they didnt bring kaeding in for a look. Edited January 14, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 just a stream of thought being spilled out of my head here but.... note that the atlanta kicker isnt doing kickoffs, i believe (it wasnt him on the squib atleast) i imagine in a dome, lindell likely boots that kick fairly consistently - it was what, like 48 yards? if theres a guy out there i wouldnt mind at all pursuing them though. upgrades always welcome when available. i think that they were probably waiting til the offseason to make a move to keep continuity there, but i was initially a little surprised they didnt bring kaeding in for a look. I hear ya. I just don't want to waste a roster spot on a kickoff specialist because it was erratic last year. He had a few go out of endzone and others at goaline. Chan may have killed any confidence Lindell had before the season by playing his "percentages"... Open competition for kicker would be great and I have a feeling Marrone has no allegiance to Lindell or any other kicker. He'll want one who can boom it, squib it properly and make 50 yarders consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It's time for a lot of things... Not just a kicker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I know it is considered a minuscule issue or as some say "we can grab one as an UDFA"...but I hope we are rethinking our kicking game with a young, strong, accurate kicker. We need the following: 1) One who can consistently kick the ball out of the endzone or deep into it; 2) One who can consistently perform the onside erratic bounce kick (need two bounces not one); 3) One who can make a field goal from 50-55 without batting an eye; I see alot of close games in our future and the kicking game may be an overlooked component and a difference maker. Al Davis caught alot of heat for drafting Sebastian Janikowski with an early pick but he is still booming kicks and is accurate. I am not saying we need a kicker in Rounds 1-6, but if there is a talented young kicker out there, he may be worth a look. Lindell is a great teammate, but if Chan didn't trust him to kick a 45 yarder, what is that saying about our chances to win close games. The Atlanta kicker is a case in point. That dude rocked that kick with 10 yards to spare. You don't think Lindell could make a 49-yarder in a dome with ten yards to spare? I'm not saying I disagree with you, but that is not a good example. It would be nice to have a young kicker like Zuerlein (sp?) from the Rams or Blair Walsh from Minnesota, but Lindell is far from the least dependable kicker in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Here is the way I see it: Chan and his goons so mismanaged the talent on this team, that I almost want to give some of the players a mulligan for the last 3 years ( and LAST year, in particular). One player who comes to mind is George Wilson, who I though had played well before Wanny got hold of him. Lindell falls into the same category. I think Chan was so paranoid about the "what ifs" when it came to the possibility of missing a 40+ yard field goal that he simply rarely ever let Lindell attempt them. Let's just hope that the new staff has strong enough player evaluation skills that they can take a close, hard look at ALL of the players on the team and make intelligent decisions about which ones to keep -- and which ones to let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNapalm Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Kicker is the least of our problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I hear ya. I just don't want to waste a roster spot on a kickoff specialist because it was erratic last year. He had a few go out of endzone and others at goaline. Chan may have killed any confidence Lindell had before the season by playing his "percentages"... Open competition for kicker would be great and I have a feeling Marrone has no allegiance to Lindell or any other kicker. He'll want one who can boom it, squib it properly and make 50 yarders consistently. definitely. i have mixed feelings - id like an upgrade, but kicker can be a weird position where you dont know how much you miss what you had til its gone. im curious to the folks that check out camp - did they ever give powell any chance to kickoff at practices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 You don't think Lindell could make a 49-yarder in a dome with ten yards to spare? I'm not saying I disagree with you, but that is not a good example. It would be nice to have a young kicker like Zuerlein (sp?) from the Rams or Blair Walsh from Minnesota, but Lindell is far from the least dependable kicker in the league. Dependable at 20-40...interested to know what his longest is compared to other kickers and his percentage from 50+ Also, his kickoffs typically land inside the 5 yd line (I know there is one school of thought that if you kick it higher and land it at the 5 you can attack the runner quicker and avoid the 20 yd gain)...I am of the opinion kicking it out of the end zone is the better option and give them the ball at the 20. Lindell can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Dependable at 20-40...interested to know what his longest is compared to other kickers and his percentage from 50+ Also, his kickoffs typically land inside the 5 yd line (I know there is one school of thought that if you kick it higher and land it at the 5 you can attack the runner quicker and avoid the 20 yd gain)...I am of the opinion kicking it out of the end zone is the better option and give them the ball at the 20. Lindell can't do that. as a reference, lindells long is 55. bryant hit a 60+ yarder once 5-6 years ago, but otherwise a long of 55. neither should be on kickoff duty in an ideal world. not a ton of guys that kick it out of the endzone, and are super accurate on fgs really. its more rare of a skill set than most think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 as a reference, lindells long is 55. bryant hit a 60+ yarder once 5-6 years ago, but otherwise a long of 55. neither should be on kickoff duty in an ideal world. not a ton of guys that kick it out of the endzone, and are super accurate on fgs really. its more rare of a skill set than most think. Thanks for the stat NoSaint. Never thought of Lindell as a power kicker but he does have a boot. Reliability 50+ is questionable I suppose. As for guys above saying there are bigger problems on this team...yes, there are...which we have all argued about ad nauseum. Would be nice to know our kicker is rock solid. Baby steps boys, baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 We were 10th in the league in kickoff yards given up. Kicker is the least of our worries. Let's see that Atlanta kicker make that FG outdoors in the wind. Lindell is fine. There is plenty of other places this team needs to improve. And for the record I agreed with cutting Moorman. He has been declining for years. He may do fine in the dome in Dallas but he had just as many shanks as he did boomers in Buffalo and showed no skill at landing it inside the twenty anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Dependable at 20-40...interested to know what his longest is compared to other kickers and his percentage from 50+ Also, his kickoffs typically land inside the 5 yd line (I know there is one school of thought that if you kick it higher and land it at the 5 you can attack the runner quicker and avoid the 20 yd gain)...I am of the opinion kicking it out of the end zone is the better option and give them the ball at the 20. Lindell can't do that. Everyone knows he can't kick for touchbacks, but to praise another aging kicker who has actually been cut before because he hit a 49-yarder in a dome is a little ridiculous. When Lindell lines up for 40-50 yarders, I have more confidence in him than I would in most kickers in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Didnt we just draft one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirty Year Fan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Kicker is the least of our problems Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jone's Toupee Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Quinn Sharp from Okie State. Kicker and punter extraordinaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Maher - Nebraska handle both duties...I like Lindell but he is going to be 36 next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 just a stream of thought being spilled out of my head here but.... note that the atlanta kicker isnt doing kickoffs, i believe (it wasnt him on the squib atleast) i imagine in a dome, lindell likely boots that kick fairly consistently - it was what, like 48 yards? if theres a guy out there i wouldnt mind at all pursuing them though. upgrades always welcome when available. i think that they were probably waiting til the offseason to make a move to keep continuity there, but i was initially a little surprised they didnt bring kaeding in for a look. No, that was Bryant on the squib. But he doesn't normally do it, Bosher does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I agree with the OP...it is absolutely time for a new kicker, and yes, they are out there to be had. Case-in-point: Washington cut Billy Cundiff and signed Kai Forbath, who was not on anyone's roster and had never kicked in an NFL game, and he missed 1 FG all season (in week 16). These guys are out there, and they're good. I'd love to spend a 5th or 6th round pick on a guy like Dustin Hopkins from FSU or Caleb Sturgis from Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Why replace a guy coming off a year where he was 21 out of 24? I'm really happy with Lindell, he's rock solid. He might be getting older but this is the kind of thing you don't worry about until he proves you need to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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