Where do you rank Fitzpatrick?

[Beerball]

I put Fitz in the middle of the pack of NFL quarterbacks. Over the last 2 years of the "Fitz Tenure", our Defense may be the worst in the league. And our best wide receiver is a 7th round draft choice with grandma speed.

 

We have to have at least an average NFL quarterback to win any games with this team.

Well, you got that one wrong.

 

What teams would be interested in Fitz as a starter? Asked another way what team would you not take the starter from? jests, AZ are sure things. Jacksonville? That's all I got so I'd rank him 27ish figuring Quinn and Palmer are pushes.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

Average to sometimes above average. I'd rank him somewhere between 12 to 16.

 

Above Jay Cutler - IMO he's over rated. And really what's Andy Dalton done? His 80 rating is similar to Fitz's.

 

Definitely worse (regardless of stage of career): Sanchez/Tebow, Gabbert, Locker, Weeden, Palmer, Quinn/Cassel, Foles, Skelton/Lindley/unhealthy Kolb

Put the crack down and step away from the table!!

 

Sanchez? Did you see who got benched Sunday? Tim Tebow??? Also not playing due to some mysterious rib injury?

 

What teams would be interested in Fitz as a starter? Asked another way what team would you not take the starter from? jests, AZ are sure things. Jacksonville? That's all I got so I'd rank him 27ish figuring Quinn and Palmer are pushes.

The possibilities do exist, I can see a few places where he could fit. - Pick any team where their rookie may need a year or two to develope.

 

The Iggles, NYETS, Raiders, JAX, KC, Rams, Cards.

Edited December 4, 2012 by BillsFan-4-Ever

[JPS]

I put Fitz in the middle of the pack of NFL quarterbacks. Over the last 2 years of the "Fitz Tenure", our Defense may be the worst in the league. And our best wide receiver is a 7th round draft choice with grandma speed.

 

We have to have at least an average NFL quarterback to win any games with this team.

 

Maybe the defense is among the worst (at least in part) because Fitz doesn't take care of the ball and has too many 3 and outs. And what difference does speed make at WR? So Fitz can miss them by 1 yard instead of 2?

 

Fitz above Cutler?????? I live in Chicago and watch both play. Cutler is way better. He flicks the ball 30 yards whereas Fitz just can't make that throw....or many throws. The Bears O-line sucks, but the team is night & day better with Cutler. Fitz makes the Bills better by throwing less.

Edited December 4, 2012 by JPS

[Gugny]

I think Fitz is near the bottom of the barrell. I have 21 starting QBs better than him. 4 equal to him. And 6 worse than him. So that would put him at # 26.

 

However, I also noted 6 backups who are equal to/better than Fitz.

 

Other Starting QBs Better Than Fitz - E. Manning, Griffin, Romo, Rodgers, Cutler, Stafford, Ryan, Freeman, Brees, Newton, Wilson, Brady, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Dalton, Weedon, Schaub, Luck, Hasselbeck, P. Manning, Rivers

 

Other Starting QBs Equal - Kaepernick, Sanchez, Quinn, Palmer

 

Other Starting QBs Worse - Foles, Ponder, Skelton, Bradford, Tannehill, Gabbert

 

Noteable backups:

Tebow - worse than Fitz

McElroy - worse than Fitz

Moore - better than Fitz

Vick - worse than Fitz

Alex Smith - equal to Fitz

Kolb - worse than Fitz

Cassel - equal to Fitz

Batch - equal to Fitz

Leftwich - worse than Fitz

Orton - better than Fitz

Campbell - equal to Fitz

 

Bottom line ... we can, and we need to, do better than this guy.

[thurst44]

Not even close. If the Bills had any one of those three QBS we would be talking about the playoffs.

 

No, we'd just be hating Smith, Dalton, or Flacco.

[FreakPop]

Well, you got that one wrong.

 

What teams would be interested in Fitz as a starter? Asked another way what team would you not take the starter from? jests, AZ are sure things. Jacksonville? That's all I got so I'd rank him 27ish figuring Quinn and Palmer are pushes.

 

I would NOT take the following teams starters over Fitz.

 

Jets

Browns

Dolphins-maybe as Tannyhill is just a rookie

Titans

Jaguars

Chiefs

Raiders-maybe, inconsistancy issues, kinda what we have now with Fitz

Chargers-maybe, see Raiders

Eagles-maybe I like Foles

Vikings

Bucs

Panthers-maybe Cam would need to show me alot more maturity as I think he is headed down the V Young path, headcase I wouldn't want any part of.

Cardinals

49ers-maybe Capaernick I'll take, Smith no

Rams-maybe, I actually like Bradford, but he hasn't taken that next step as a #1 should have by now.

Seahawks-not sold on Wilson

 

So to me Fitz is middle of the road, not the best and not the worst. All this bellyaching about how horrible Fitz is, is hogwash at best.

[Maury Ballstein]

Average to sometimes above average. I'd rank him somewhere between 12 to 16.

 

Above Jay Cutler - IMO he's over rated. And really what's Andy Dalton done? His 80 rating is similar to Fitz's.

 

 

Put the crack down and step away from the table!!

 

Sanchez? Did you see who got benched Sunday? Tim Tebow??? Also not playing due to some mysterious rib injury?

 

The possibilities do exist, I can see a few places where he could fit. - Pick any team where their rookie may need a year or two to develope.

 

The Iggles, NYETS, Raiders, JAX, KC, Rams, Cards.

 

sounds like someone else might have to put the crack down.....between 12-16? Better than Cutler? What has Dalton done? Playoffs in rookie season maybe? Somewhere Fitz will never go?

 

There are MAYBE 5 teams max who would consider a qb as bad as Fitz IMO.......that's way below "middle of the pack"

 

too many middle of the packs here for my tastes...........fitz is a knuckleballer, playing the wrong sport.

 

I would NOT take the following teams starters over Fitz.

 

Jets

Browns

Dolphins-maybe as Tannyhill is just a rookie

Titans

Jaguars

Chiefs

Raiders-maybe, inconsistancy issues, kinda what we have now with Fitz

Chargers-maybe, see Raiders

Eagles-maybe I like Foles

Vikings

Bucs

Panthers-maybe Cam would need to show me alot more maturity as I think he is headed down the V Young path, headcase I wouldn't want any part of.

Cardinals

49ers-maybe Capaernick I'll take, Smith no

Rams-maybe, I actually like Bradford, but he hasn't taken that next step as a #1 should have by now.

Seahawks-not sold on Wilson

 

So to me Fitz is middle of the road, not the best and not the worst. All this bellyaching about how horrible Fitz is, is hogwash at best.

 

why is he a headcase? why is he being compared to VY? this is some jibberish, is it a black thing? a young guy who hates to lose is a headcase?

[section122]

Noteable backups:

Tebow - worse than Fitz

McElroy - worse than Fitz

Moore - better than Fitz

Vick - worse than Fitz

Alex Smith - equal to Fitz

Kolb - worse than Fitz

Cassel - equal to Fitz

Batch - equal to Fitz

Leftwich - worse than Fitz

Orton - better than Fitz

Campbell - equal to Fitz

 

Bottom line ... we can, and we need to, do better than this guy.

By your logic Batch, Cassel, and Alex Smith are interchangeable. I'm no Alex Smith fan but you can't believe they are all eqqually as talented. Please explain to me how a 38 year old Charlie Batch is as good as Fitz in your eyes. Please explain what Campbell has done to be thought of as good. Your list has a lot of holes. In your opinion Matt Cassel is better than Michael Vick!

[Ray]

I would NOT take the following teams starters over Fitz.

 

Jets

Browns

Dolphins-maybe as Tannyhill is just a rookie

Titans

Jaguars

Chiefs

Raiders-maybe, inconsistancy issues, kinda what we have now with Fitz

Chargers-maybe, see Raiders

Eagles-maybe I like Foles

Vikings

Bucs

Panthers-maybe Cam would need to show me alot more maturity as I think he is headed down the V Young path, headcase I wouldn't want any part of.

Cardinals

49ers-maybe Capaernick I'll take, Smith no

Rams-maybe, I actually like Bradford, but he hasn't taken that next step as a #1 should have by now.

Seahawks-not sold on Wilson

 

So to me Fitz is middle of the road, not the best and not the worst. All this bellyaching about how horrible Fitz is, is hogwash at best.

Agreed.....he is average in a league of mostly average QBs. I heard how wonderful Tannehill was despite evidence to the contrary and he looked absolutely horrible at the Ralph.

I am not saying Fitz is the end all and be all to us, I am just saying about 20 other teams are dealing with the same problems with QB play we are.....he is the 2nd best QB in our division.

Russell Wilson is having a great year as a rookie yet Fitz has more TD passes, less sacks, has passed for more yards and his longest TD pass is better than Wilson.

We need an upgrade at QB but finding one is a lot harder than people think because all you have to do is look at the rest of the league and realize most teams are in the same boat.

[Maury Ballstein]

By your logic Batch, Cassel, and Alex Smith are interchangeable. I'm no Alex Smith fan but you can't believe they are all eqqually as talented. Please explain to me how a 38 year old Charlie Batch is as good as Fitz in your eyes. Please explain what Campbell has done to be thought of as good. Your list has a lot of holes. In your opinion Matt Cassel is better than Michael Vick!

 

if we had charlie batch instead of fitz would our record be worse? doubtful.

[Beerball]

I would NOT take the following teams starters over Fitz.

 

Jets

Browns

Dolphins-maybe as Tannyhill is just a rookie

Titans

Jaguars

Chiefs

Raiders-maybe, inconsistancy issues, kinda what we have now with Fitz

Chargers-maybe, see Raiders

Eagles-maybe I like Foles

Vikings

Bucs

Panthers-maybe Cam would need to show me alot more maturity as I think he is headed down the V Young path, headcase I wouldn't want any part of.

Cardinals

49ers-maybe Capaernick I'll take, Smith no

Rams-maybe, I actually like Bradford, but he hasn't taken that next step as a #1 should have by now.

Seahawks-not sold on Wilson

 

So to me Fitz is middle of the road, not the best and not the worst. All this bellyaching about how horrible Fitz is, is hogwash at best.

Well, that's certainly an interesting perspective. Now, ask yourself this question "what GM would trade their starter for Fitz head up?" Putting Fitzpatrick anywhere near the middle of the pack is delusional in my opinion. But...take your lower mediocrity and enjoy more of the same crap year after year.

[section122]

if we had charlie batch instead of fitz would our record be worse? doubtful.

wow just wow. Well Charlie Batch lost to the Browns so I guess that would be at least 1 win off the board. I really don't want to resort to name calling but :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:

[Gugny]

By your logic Batch, Cassel, and Alex Smith are interchangeable. I'm no Alex Smith fan but you can't believe they are all eqqually as talented. Please explain to me how a 38 year old Charlie Batch is as good as Fitz in your eyes. Please explain what Campbell has done to be thought of as good. Your list has a lot of holes. In your opinion Matt Cassel is better than Michael Vick!

A 38 year old Charlie Batch is better than Fitz, in my eyes. Campbell torched the Bills a year ago, if I recall correctly (a game we luckily won) and he has a better arm than Fitz, is more accurate than Fitz and is more mobile than Fitz. And in my opinion, 90% of the QBs in the league are better than Vick - including Cassel. Vick sucks.

[Maury Ballstein]

wow just wow. Well Charlie Batch lost to the Browns so I guess that would be at least 1 win off the board. I really don't want to resort to name calling but :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:

 

handpick the game to prove your theory? and forget about this weekend where batch beat Ravens huh? Paint the whole picture sir.........don't let your fitzlove and animosity towards my fitz blows message cloud the truth........

[section122]

Here's the thing though, I'm not a Fitz lover. I realize his shortcomings. I realize the Bills would be well served by an upgrade at the qb position. I also realize that there are teams with worse starting qbs. I also realize that the o-line looks much better bc Fitz gets the ball out so quickly. I also realize other than SJ13 he has few tools to work with as far as receivers go. I also realize that other qbs miss wide open receivers. I also realize that other qbs fail down the stretch.

 

 

As for the Baltimore win you realize they have the 25th ranked D right? They are missing Webb and Lewis as well as Suggs going down. This isn't the normal vaunted Ravens D that he torched.

[Gugny]

Here's the thing though, I'm not a Fitz lover. I realize his shortcomings. I realize the Bills would be well served by an upgrade at the qb position. I also realize that there are teams with worse starting qbs. I also realize that the o-line looks much better bc Fitz gets the ball out so quickly. I also realize other than SJ13 he has few tools to work with as far as receivers go. I also realize that other qbs miss wide open receivers. I also realize that other qbs fail down the stretch.

 

 

As for the Baltimore win you realize they have the 25th ranked D right? They are missing Webb and Lewis as well as Suggs going down. This isn't the normal vaunted Ravens D that he torched.

The only part of this I can definitely disagree with is the comment about the O-line. I have no idea why people can't give this unit credit. Does everyone think Spiller and Jackson are really that great? They don't make holes themselves. Especially Spiller. Yet he's averaging close to 7 YPC. That is the O-line. And never before have I seen so many people say that a QB makes the O-line look better. Maybe if we're talking about a Manning or Favre or someone elite ... but how the hell does Ryan Fitzparick make anyone look better at anything? He takes less sacks than most QBs in the league. Part of it is that he gets rid of the ball quickly. But after a few years of similar stats, you can't take it away from the O-line. They protect the QB and it is proven on the field and in the stats. In my humble opinion, of course.

[section122]

The only part of this I can definitely disagree with is the comment about the O-line. I have no idea why people can't give this unit credit. Does everyone think Spiller and Jackson are really that great? They don't make holes themselves. Especially Spiller. Yet he's averaging close to 7 YPC. That is the O-line. And never before have I seen so many people say that a QB makes the O-line look better. Maybe if we're talking about a Manning or Favre or someone elite ... but how the hell does Ryan Fitzparick make anyone look better at anything? He takes less sacks than most QBs in the league. Part of it is that he gets rid of the ball quickly. But after a few years of similar stats, you can't take it away from the O-line. They protect the QB and it is proven on the field and in the stats. In my humble opinion, of course.

Run blocking they are an excellent o-line. Pass pro is a bit different though. I see them getting pushed around a lot and I wonder if the reliance on quick hitting passes has to do with this. It doesn't seem like Fitz is given much time to get comfortable. When they give him time is when we see his really good games. When they don't we get the colts game. I by no means think the o-line can be described as bad I just feel they get a boost bc the ball is out quickly.

When the Bills played the Giants the comments from the Giants d-line were that sacks against him were nearly impossible because the ball comes out so quick. That is what I was alluding to - sometimes that stat skews people's perceptions.

[section122]

For all the Charlie Batch lovers I leave you this link. The Ravens mighty D that was "destroyed" by Charlie Batch is ranked worse than Buffalo's! Pitt's D? well that is #1 and may have had a small say in the w.

[Maury Ballstein]

For all the Charlie Batch lovers I leave you this link. The Ravens mighty D that was "destroyed" by Charlie Batch is ranked worse than Buffalo's! Pitt's D? well that is #1 and may have had a small say in the w.

 

there are no charlie batch lovers, just saying batch and fitz are in the same group.

[Boatdrinks]

Run blocking they are an excellent o-line. Pass pro is a bit different though. I see them getting pushed around a lot and I wonder if the reliance on quick hitting passes has to do with this. It doesn't seem like Fitz is given much time to get comfortable. When they give him time is when we see his really good games. When they don't we get the colts game. I by no means think the o-line can be described as bad I just feel they get a boost bc the ball is out quickly.

When the Bills played the Giants the comments from the Giants d-line were that sacks against him were nearly impossible because the ball comes out so quick. That is what I was alluding to - sometimes that stat skews people's perceptions.

 

The ball is out quickly due to the short routes that are called with noodle arm back there at QB. I highly doubt Gruden,etc, would rave about Fitz's Marino-like release. The Colts game hardly strengthens the argument. If Fitz makes two NFL caliber throws in that game-not great throws mind you, just throws guys around the league make routinely- we win. Spiller over the middle on Colts offside play, Jones down left sideline. Game over, even if nothing else changes. He simply cannot make NFL caliber throws over about 10 yards in the air. I've seen more great throws from say Kaepernick in 3 games than I've ever seen Fitzpatrick make. He is just so limited athletically, I would actually only rank him ahead of your washed up retreads like J. campbell, Batch, Leftwich, Carr et al. Definitely not ahead of young players like Bradford, because Fitzpatrick has no upside left. He will not get any better. What you see is what you get.