bills1960 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Tim Graham @ByTimGraham Source also tells Buffalo News: Bills will keep Tyler Thigpen and Tarvaris Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doro Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Oh no!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 I posted this before anyone, don't know why it got skipped over haha. Moderators can close it down I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's only a matter of days, or weeks. They may even cut him this week and then re-sign him to a smaller contract. As soon as TJ is ready, TT is a goner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's only a matter of days, or weeks. They may even cut him this week and then re-sign him to a smaller contract. As soon as TJ is ready, TT is a goner. i hope so - if he's on the roster from day one as a vested vet his salary is guaranteed, which makes it quite obviously a massive waste of cap space that would be better spent on extensions for key young core players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's only a matter of days, or weeks. They may even cut him this week and then re-sign him to a smaller contract. As soon as TJ is ready, TT is a goner. Hope you're right....I see no point at all in keeping both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's only a matter of days, or weeks. They may even cut him this week and then re-sign him to a smaller contract. As soon as TJ is ready, TT is a goner. Agreed. Too soon for TJax. If something crazy happens and Fitz gets dinged in the opener, we need someone who can at least call the plays. But once TJ is ready, TT is gone, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's only a matter of days, or weeks. They may even cut him this week and then re-sign him to a smaller contract. As soon as TJ is ready, TT is a goner. How can they do that since his 2012 salary becomes guaranteed at 9PM tonight. I believe that means on the roster or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 i hope so - if he's on the roster from day one as a vested vet his salary is guaranteed, which makes it quite obviously a massive waste of cap space that would be better spent on extensions for key young core players Personally, I think Thigpen gets cut this week and then re-signed before the opener to more like a veteran minimum or just around $1,000,000. It's only going to take Jackson two weeks counting this one to get up to speed. They just can't risk Fitz getting hurt in the opener and giving away the game, because it's a division game against a team we may well be battling for a playoff spot. I even think if we were playing an NFC team the first week, we would risk it and just go with two. How can they do that since his 2012 salary becomes guaranteed at 9PM tonight. I believe that means on the roster or not? No, I think the contract becomes guaranteed if you're on the roster opening day. I could be wrong but I think teams have a full week to make more moves. That's the only thing that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Personally, I think Thigpen gets cut this week and then re-signed before the opener to more like a veteran minimum or just around $1,000,000. It's only going to take Jackson two weeks counting this one to get up to speed. They just can't risk Fitz getting hurt in the opener and giving away the game, because it's a division game against a team we may well be battling for a playoff spot. I even think if we were playing an NFC team the first week, we would risk it and just go with two. so why not just cut him now and resign him? doesn't add up complete waste of cap space if he makes this roster at 2.5M - but something only the bills would be dumb enough to do, so i wouldn't be shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 so why not just cut him now and resign him? doesn't add up complete waste of cap space if he makes this roster at 2.5M - but something only the bills would be dumb enough to do, so i wouldn't be shocked Because if a team comes in and wants to sign Thigpen now, he would be gone. It will be FAR less likely and the team will know far more about how Jackson is progressing in one week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 2.5 mil for 1-2 weeks worth until TJ knows the play book. Talk about winning the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Because if a team comes in and wants to sign Thigpen now, he would be gone. It will be FAR less likely and the team will know far more about how Jackson is progressing in one week. i don't buy it....season is 9 days away, not 3 weeks even if they did cut and then resign thigpen (which is a huge waste of cap space as is given the bonus accelartion) to waste a further 1M to have him around as "jackson" insurance for a 2 or 3 more games is ludicrious huge mistake going on here, surprised so many are cool with it (or just don't understand the salary cap implications of keeping him around) Edited August 31, 2012 by d_wag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I encourage all TSWers to push Fitz into investing in the same Kevlar-battle tested- compression vest Vick will wear in 2012! However, this is just my opinion...but, it wouldn't hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 i don't buy it....season is 9 days away, not 3 weeks even if they did cut and then resign thigpen (which is a huge waste of cap space as is given the bonus accelartion) to waste a further 1M to have him around as "jackson" insurance for a 2 or 3 more games is ludicrious huge mistake going on here, surprised so many are cool with it (or just don't understand the salary cap implications of keeping him around) If they cut him next week and resign him after week one as insurance he'll be on a game by game basis. To me it's not the cash, as obviously Wilson is OK with its parting. It's the waste of a roster spot that worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 i don't buy it....season is 9 days away, not 3 weeks even if they did cut and then resign thigpen (which is a huge waste of cap space as is given the bonus accelartion) to waste a further 1M to have him around as "jackson" insurance for a 2 or 3 more games is ludicrious huge mistake going on here, surprised so many are cool with it (or just don't understand the salary cap implications of keeping him around) There is no cap concerns whatsoever. Why would you worry about that or mention it? It has nothing to do with any move they would make. If they cut him 7 days from now, and re-sign him the next day, they would save 1.5 million dollars. And then could keep him as long as they wanted, until Jackson is ready. It's hard for me to imagine, on the eve of the season, another team would pick up Tyler Thigpen and add him to their active roster and cut their #2 or #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 If they cut him next week and resign him after week one as insurance he'll be on a game by game basis. To me it's not the cash, as obviously Wilson is OK with its parting. It's the waste of a roster spot that worries me. it's not the cash, it's the cap space - i'd rather see it devoted to retaining core young players then keeping a journeyman QB on the roster when he has proven time and time again he cannot perform......especially when nix just over a month ago was preaching about how "we can't afford to keep everyone" - which of course you can't if you choose to waste cap space, which they are choosing to do with moves like this There is no cap concerns whatsoever. Why would you worry about that or mention it? It has nothing to do with any move they would make. If they cut him 7 days from now, and re-sign him the next day, they would save 1.5 million dollars. And then could keep him as long as they wanted, until Jackson is ready. It's hard for me to imagine, on the eve of the season, another team would pick up Tyler Thigpen and add him to their active roster and cut their #2 or #3. saving 1.5 million dollars - while wasting 1 million for 2 or 3 games......poor spin.......bills have wasted more then enough money on thipen (and even they admitted that with the jackson trade), time to cut the losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) it's not the cash, it's the cap space - i'd rather see it devoted to retaining core young players then keeping a journeyman QB on the roster when he has proven time and time again he cannot perform......especially when nix just over a month ago was preaching about how "we can't afford to keep everyone" - which of course you can't if you choose to waste cap space, which they are choosing to do with moves like this The cap space is wasted. It'll come due now, or later. The gap with any cut and resign would be minimal truly. Edited August 31, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 The cap space is wasted. It'll come due now, or later. The gap with any cut and resign would be minimal truly. you're assuming he's cut.......i'm not, i think he'll make it to opening day at 2.5M and bank that for a couple games worth of backup duty even if he is cut, to resign him for at even the vet min is a waste of cash as it will be guaranteed once he's on the opening day roster.......would rather roll the dice with jackson for game one and then sign another QB the next day when the salary isn't guaranteed any longer.......this is a silly, wasteful strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Well there's the answer to the threat "what if thigpen plays well". With an assist from Jacksons fumble the snap, toss a pick in his first series as a bill, the answer is keep 4 QBs. Edited August 31, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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