MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 That is my argument. You're a retard. I'm rarely this nice so you should be honored. we get it now. you want a free ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 we get it now. you want a free ride! Sure. Not sure where but free is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Sure. Not sure where but free is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 This is the most you've ever made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) This is the most you've ever made sense. "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." Matthew 7:13 "If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." -Proverbs 21:13 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." -Proverbs 31:8-9 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." -Matthew 6:24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" -Matthew 19:23-24 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'" -Matthew 25:41-45 "He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 17:5 "He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty." -Proverbs 22:16 "Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" -Matthew 19:21 "He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." -Proverbs 28:27 "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -1 Timothy 6:9-10 "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life." -1 Timothy 6:17-19 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." -Ezekiel 16:49 "Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all." -Proverbs 22:2 "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." -Proverbs 14:31 "A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor." -Proverbs 22:9 "Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse." -Proverbs 28:6 "A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 28:20 "The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." -Proverbs 29:7 "Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death." -Proverbs 11:4 "Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them." -Proverbs 22:22-23 "Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." -Proverbs 23:4-5 "Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless." -Ecclesiastes 5:10 "A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold." -Proverbs 22:1 "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." -Deuteronomy 15:11 "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." -Hebrews 13:5 "You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge." -Psalm 14:6 "He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done." -Proverbs 19:17 "A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him." -Proverbs 28:11 "A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare." -Proverbs 21:6 "The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall." -Proverbs 18:11 Edited May 24, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 ad hom?.... anyone who wants somethig for nothing. management- we have gone over this. you need a reason, like expertise or aptitude, for this. or consent. shareholders- yes. this is ad hom. all production comes from labor, so what you just said is in reality, factually untrue. of course its coercion, the state protects the means of production, with tax payer money coming from labor. its parasitic. you are trying to justify rewards for doing nothing, you assume capital is productive, its not. again, its ironic because in reality the capitalist is the freeloader, yet you spew this nonsense.... its a joke... "Capital, tools, and machinery are likewise unproductive. . . The proprietor who asks to be rewarded for the use of a tool or for the productive power of his land, takes for granted, then, that which is radically false; namely, that capital produces by its own effort -- and, in taking pay for this imaginary product, he literally receives something for nothing." [What is Property?, p. 169] As Proudhon put it, "[w]ho is entitled to the rent of the land? The producer of the land, without doubt. Who made the land? God. Then, proprietor, retire!" [Op. Cit., p. 104] Much the same can be said of "capital" (workplaces, machinery, etc.) as well. The capitalist, argued Berkman, "gives you a job; that is permission to work in the factory or mill which was not built by him but by other workers like yourself. And for that permission you help to support him for the rest of your life or as long as you work for him." [What is Anarchism?, p. 14] this is a reductio ad absurdum.... this theory entails me buying a candybar at walmart and then owning all walmart( including its workers). its a sick, sick joke!!!... How does this theory ever suggest that? Because you interpret it as such? Your argument is so far reaching and absurd that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and is irrelevant to my post. There's no doubt people make a living off the labour of others. I've never disputed that. But you seem to equate it to slavery, which is not true at all. There's a distinction between slavery and working for a salary. Yet you continually blur the lines for the sake of your rhetoric which makes you, in the words of DC Tom, an idiot. "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." Matthew 7:13 "If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." -Proverbs 21:13 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." -Proverbs 31:8-9 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." -Matthew 6:24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" -Matthew 19:23-24 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'" -Matthew 25:41-45 "He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 17:5 "He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty." -Proverbs 22:16 "Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" -Matthew 19:21 "He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." -Proverbs 28:27 "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -1 Timothy 6:9-10 "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life." -1 Timothy 6:17-19 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." -Ezekiel 16:49 "Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all." -Proverbs 22:2 "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." -Proverbs 14:31 "A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor." -Proverbs 22:9 "Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse." -Proverbs 28:6 "A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 28:20 "The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." -Proverbs 29:7 "Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death." -Proverbs 11:4 "Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them." -Proverbs 22:22-23 "Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." -Proverbs 23:4-5 "Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless." -Ecclesiastes 5:10 "A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold." -Proverbs 22:1 "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." -Deuteronomy 15:11 "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." -Hebrews 13:5 "You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge." -Psalm 14:6 "He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done." -Proverbs 19:17 "A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him." -Proverbs 28:11 "A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare." -Proverbs 21:6 "The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall." -Proverbs 18:11 What an effing moron. We get it. You're poor and hate the wealthy ( or employed). Wealth and evil do not walk hand in hand any more than poor and idiocy do, dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 How does this theory ever suggest that? Because you interpret it as such? Your argument is so far reaching and absurd that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and is irrelevant to my post. There's no doubt people make a living off the labour of others. I've never disputed that. But you seem to equate it to slavery, which is not true at all. There's a distinction between slavery and working for a salary. Yet you continually blur the lines for the sake of your rhetoric which makes you, in the words of DC Tom, an idiot. What an effing moron. We get it. You're poor and hate the wealthy ( or employed). Wealth and evil do not walk hand in hand any more than poor and idiocy do, dumbass. I really, really don't get where people come to the conclusion that evil is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I really, really don't get where people come to the conclusion that evil is bad. Lol...for the sake of argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Lol...for the sake of argument... I sell variable annuities with 20 year surrenders to old ladies whose objective is capital preservation and liquidity and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) How does this theory ever suggest that? Because you interpret it as such? Your argument is so far reaching and absurd that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and is irrelevant to my post. There's no doubt people make a living off the labour of others. I've never disputed that. But you seem to equate it to slavery, which is not true at all. There's a distinction between slavery and working for a salary. Yet you continually blur the lines for the sake of your rhetoric which makes you, in the words of DC Tom, an idiot. What an effing moron. We get it. You're poor and hate the wealthy ( or employed). Wealth and evil do not walk hand in hand any more than poor and idiocy do, dumbass. i never said they do. i said if you worked for something than yes, you deserve the fruit of your labor. the reason this is wrong is because its forced theft from the state, and doubled down when you pay taxes to protect that theft. Edited May 24, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 please respond with an argument, not 5th grade bs... But you ARE an idiot. i never said they do. i said if you worked for something than yes, you deserve the fruit of your labor. A salary. the reason this is wrong is because its forced theft from the state, and doubled down when you pay taxes to protect that theft. Even Marx and Lenin would read this and ask "What the ever-lovin' !@#$ is this Mickey Mouse bull ****?" Jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) But you ARE an idiot. A salary. Even Marx and Lenin would read this and ask "What the ever-lovin' !@#$ is this Mickey Mouse bull ****?" Jesus... which is substantially less than what they actually produced. ie, my work is worth 100$, but i only get 10$ as a wage. this is why i previously pointed out that capital does not deserve profits because its not productive. if it were, than my tools in the garage would create thousands instead of just sitting there... the state enforces this absured notion of privated property with, you guessed it, exploited labors tax money. its a double hit. not only do you lose the wealth of your labor, you get taxed so the business is allowed to steal from you. the protection of theft is coming from your work.... Edited May 25, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 which is substantially less than what they actually produced. ie, my work is worth 100$, but i only get 10$ as a wage. this is why i previously pointed out that capital does not deserve profits because its not productive. if it were, than my tools in the garage would create thousands instead of just sitting there... the state enforces this absured notion of privated property with, you guessed it, exploited labors tax money. its a double hit. not only do you lose the wealth of your labor, you get taxed so the business is allowed to steal from you. the protection of theft is coming from your work.... Cool bro. No worries. I'm sure the people here at TSW will accumulate cash so you could go somewhere nice where you won't get exploited and, importantly, never post here again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) Cool bro. No worries. I'm sure the people here at TSW will accumulate cash so you could go somewhere nice where you won't get exploited and, importantly, never post here again. im still waiting for the hammer in my garage to create millions instead of just sitting there. get back to me on solving this dilemma of basic physics...lol :wallbash: Edited May 25, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." Matthew 7:13 "If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." -Proverbs 21:13 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." -Proverbs 31:8-9 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." -Matthew 6:24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" -Matthew 19:23-24 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'" -Matthew 25:41-45 "He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 17:5 "He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty." -Proverbs 22:16 "Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" -Matthew 19:21 "He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." -Proverbs 28:27 "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -1 Timothy 6:9-10 "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life." -1 Timothy 6:17-19 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." -Ezekiel 16:49 "Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all." -Proverbs 22:2 "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." -Proverbs 14:31 "A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor." -Proverbs 22:9 "Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse." -Proverbs 28:6 "A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 28:20 "The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." -Proverbs 29:7 "Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death." -Proverbs 11:4 "Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them." -Proverbs 22:22-23 "Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." -Proverbs 23:4-5 "Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless." -Ecclesiastes 5:10 "A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold." -Proverbs 22:1 "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." -Deuteronomy 15:11 "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." -Hebrews 13:5 "You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge." -Psalm 14:6 "He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done." -Proverbs 19:17 "A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him." -Proverbs 28:11 "A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare." -Proverbs 21:6 "The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall." -Proverbs 18:11 I'm breaking my promise to myself that I would never, ever respond to one of your posts again. Your post would appear that you are against separation of church and state. Do you have a name yet for the Christians version of Sharia Law? 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DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 get back to me on solving this dilemma of basic physics...lol :wallbash: But if you actually USE the hammer, you're enslaving it, and making your money of the labor of the hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'm breaking my promise to myself that I would never, ever respond to one of your posts again. Your post would appear that you are against separation of church and state. Do you have a name yet for the Christians version of Sharia Law? no. this is for the hypocritical christian right.... But if you actually USE the hammer, you're enslaving it, and making your money of the labor of the hammer. people labor, not inanimate objects.... :sick: :sick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 no. this is for the hypocritical christian right.... I think I missed the part in the Bible where it says the unskilled labor at the end of the retail distribution chain shall get paid according to the net worth of the end product and labor accumulated throughout the manufacturing process. That was in Corinthians, right? people labor, not inanimate objects.... But someone sold you the hammer, didn't they? So the creation of your labor actually belongs to the guy at Home Depot that sold you the hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) I think I missed the part in the Bible where it says the unskilled labor at the end of the retail distribution chain shall get paid according to the net worth of the end product and labor accumulated throughout the manufacturing process. That was in Corinthians, right? you dont need the bible. its called what i work for belongs to me. I think I missed the part in the Bible where it says the unskilled labor at the end of the retail distribution chain shall get paid according to the net worth of the end product and labor accumulated throughout the manufacturing process. That was in Corinthians, right? But someone sold you the hammer, didn't they? So the creation of your labor actually belongs to the guy at Home Depot that sold you the hammer. wow, you just proved my point. ive never done that...lol you just explained why marginal productivity theory is false and absurd... you literally just crushed your own argument. in a nutshell you just defined and therefore crushed capitalism thankyou, thankyou! Edited May 25, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 wow, you just proved my point. ive never done that...lol you just explained why marginal productivity theory is false and absurd... No, I was mocking you. If I were trying to prove your point, I would have said that the results of your use of the hammer belongs to the person that forged the hammer. Instead, I chose someone in the retail chain that specifically had absolutely nothing to do with the hammer except to say that "Hammers are in aisle 3" Thus demonstrating the complete asininity of your point. You really are completely retarded, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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