d_wag Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 while we're on the topic of pinning blame to specific front office personnel (i quite like this game), anyone know who made an absolute mess of trading marshawn lynch (and why they didn't get fired for it?)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevergiveup Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 NGU, there has been a lot of speculation on this board as to who you really are. No one has questioned your ability to provide inside information. But if you are who we think you are; someday you will play an important roll in the organization. That being said, this is not how you run a first class organization. If you are well connected as you seem to be, and have issues with JW, this is not the right place for that forum. I have no issues with him. If he said that Overdorf "handled" that trade and that is all. I was wrong. It did get of track regardng the inside info. I am sorry I pointed that out. I should have just left that alone and you guys could just beleive whatever you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted September 3, 2011 Author Share Posted September 3, 2011 JW - This is the kind of thing that's only making you look less professional. Disagree, point to the track record you have and move on. There's no need for these unexplained half stories to come out in this manner. You stick to your guns on professionalism and sourcing in every other thread and because one guy got under your skin your going to just throw stuff against the wall to try and prove yourself against him? It's the very thing I've admired you for not doing around here. What has this all accomplished for you? What is your hoped for end game in this thread? to have my name spelled right out of respect. unintentionally, by laying out some cards in this thread, i can say that NeverGiveUp isn't entirely in the loop on some things either given one of his responses. but what do i know, given that NeverGiveup apparently knows what i know and don't know. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Why would they kill a thread like this? Do they no want any legitimate information posted here? I guess I don't understand the dynamics. OK, you got me! Now it's getting good. Why doesn't jw just tell us exactly what he meant--was he reporting that Overdorf made the decision to trade Evans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 How many more games do you win with him this year? Well I guess we'll never know will we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevergiveup Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 while we're on the topic of pinning blame to specific front office personnel (i quite like this game), anyone know who made an absolute mess of trading marshawn lynch (and why they didn't get fired for it?)? Which part are you refferring to? There is alot to his story. OK, you got me! Now it's getting good. Why doesn't jw just tell us exactly what he meant--was he reporting that Overdorf made the decision to trade Evans? Great question. Happy to apologize if he was not insinuating that Overdorf was legitimaltey behind the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Yes Kelly. I would say that. Overdorf has no inout into what the team can or cannot afford. He does what he is told. Now could Ralph or Littman been invloved. Absolutely. If that were the case, why would it not be possible that Littman went to Overdorf and said the same thing. We're not making as much as I would like. Last year was a down year. Find me 5-10 million over the next two years. Overdorf then makes the decision on who would save what and makes his list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevergiveup Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 to have my name spelled right out of respect. unintentionally, by laying out some cards in this thread, i can say that NeverGiveUp isn't entirely in the loop on some things either given one of his responses. but what do i know, given that NeverGiveup apparently knows what i know and don't know. jw Oh. I got one thing wrong? Now that is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Which part are you refferring to? There is alot to his story. Great question. Happy to apologize if he was not insinuating that Overdorf was legitimaltey behind the trade. The part where it may have been another bean counter and not our down home GM who made a football decision. Why doesn't jw put this issue to rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 I'm not sure how "access" equates to "inside" information. Based on my experience, which includes speaking regularly to the press on behalf of my employer, it's difficult to believe anyone employed by a competent business (other than a whistleblower) would ever give inside info to a reporter. But, then again, we're talking about the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevergiveup Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 If that were the case, why would it not be possible that Littman went to Overdorf and said the same thing. We're not making as much as I would like. Last year was a down year. Find me 5-10 million over the next two years. Overdorf then makes the decision on who would save what and makes his list. That is not the way it happens Kelly. Littman does not need Overdorf to make a list for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Oh. I got one thing wrong? Now that is funny. You got his name wrong twice. And since you got the above wrong, too, it's now actually three times you've been wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Which part are you refferring to? There is alot to his story. Great question. Happy to apologize if he was not insinuating that Overdorf was legitimaltey behind the trade. Why are you so hung up on Overdorf? I dont care if it was Overdorf, Littman, or freaking Santa Claus, the FACT remains that the business people and bean counters in this organization have much more power and voice than the football side of the operation. Our record in the past 12 years reflects this. The ownership/inner circle is obviously concerned more about profit than winning, and its been put out to the public now. We have an actual move that doesn't make football sense but definitely puts $7 mil more in ralphie's pocket. THAT is why people are pissed and demand answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 If that were the case, why would it not be possible that Littman went to Overdorf and said the same thing. We're not making as much as I would like. Last year was a down year. Find me 5-10 million over the next two years. Overdorf then makes the decision on who would save what and makes his list. Man, you are REALLY stretching things trying to make your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevergiveup Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 The part where it may have been another bean counter and not our down home GM who made a football decision. Why doesn't jw put this issue to rest? Do you think that Lynch was a financial decision? That kid was a complete disaster. Should have never been drafted in the first place. The fact that he is still alive is a minor miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 I'm not sure how "access" equates to "inside" information. Based on my experience, which includes speaking regularly to the press on behalf of my employer, it's difficult to believe anyone employed by a competent business (other than a whistleblower) would ever give inside info to a reporter. But, then again, we're talking about the Bills... This is a great point. A reporter only "knows" what someone has decided to tell him. Being inside a locker room doesn't make a reporter an insider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Which part are you refferring to? There is alot to his story. there certainly is a lot to it, take it from the beginning if ya like, lots of unanswered questions. was spiller drafted to get rid of lynch or was lynch dumped because spiller was drafted? why didn't they trade him sooner? any truth to the report that they didn't bother to shop him before giving him away to the hawks - when the saints (and probably others) were ready to pay more if they got a call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevergiveup Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Why are you so hung up on Overdorf? I dont care if it was Overdorf, Littman, or freaking Santa Claus, the FACT remains that the business people and bean counters in this organization have much more power and voice than the football side of the operation. Our record in the past 12 years reflects this. The ownership/inner circle is obviously concerned more about profit than winning, and its been put out to the public now. We have an actual move that doesn't make football sense but definitely puts $7 mil more in ralphie's pocket. THAT is why people are pissed and demand answers. I don't disagree with that and I am not a big Overdorf fan for the record. Just was trying to help you place the blame properly in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 No he is not. However he is one of the best locker room guys on the team and is well repsected throughout the organization. And no, I do not think he is very good. Eat it Warwrow!!!! That's some inside sh*t right there!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveinElma Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Do you think that Lynch was a financial decision? That kid was a complete disaster. Should have never been drafted in the first place. The fact that he is still alive is a minor miracle. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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