It's in My Blood Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Stevie Johnson is the only Bill on Peter King's top 100 for now (and most likely) http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/05/30/top.100/index.html?sct=nfl_t11_a1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Pretty asinine if you ask me. One career year by a guy who still drops too many balls and was inconsistent at best over the last 1/4 of the season -- and I LIKE Stevie. People don't want to hear this, but Lee Evans is still 10x the receiver Johnson is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Pretty asinine if you ask me. One career year by a guy who still drops too many balls and was inconsistent at best over the last 1/4 of the season -- and I LIKE Stevie. People don't want to hear this, but Lee Evans is still 10x the receiver Johnson is. Agreed. I wonder how good Evans would have been with a decent QB. We'll never know. Evans is low key, Johnson is all over tv and radio which is Johnson he made the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Agreed. I wonder how good Evans would have been with a decent QB. We'll never know. Evans is low key, Johnson is all over tv and radio which is Johnson he made the list. Stevie is turning into a damn good WR but Lee is still better imo. He is not 10x better though that is just crazy. Sadly I think being outspoken is what gets these guys noticed. Kyle Williams was our only probowler and is a lunch pail work horse kind of guy. If anyone should be on that list it is him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Stevie is turning into a damn good WR but Lee is still better imo. He is not 10x better though that is just crazy. Sadly I think being outspoken is what gets these guys noticed. Kyle Williams was our only probowler and is a lunch pail work horse kind of guy. If anyone should be on that list it is him. Agree 100%. And my 10x comment was obviously an exaggeration, but you understand my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoretalk Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Stevie is turning into a damn good WR but Lee is still better imo. He is not 10x better though that is just crazy. Sadly I think being outspoken is what gets these guys noticed. Kyle Williams was our only probowler and is a lunch pail work horse kind of guy. If anyone should be on that list it is him. You are right on ... I think Stevie has all the potential in the world and too many critics look at the Pittsburgh game to dismiss him but the squeaky wheel always gets the attention. How could Kyle Williams not make this list? We just need the real season to determine whose career is moving up and whose is just a mirage to those who are the dreamers of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 lee is only 4.93½x better than stevie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Peter King had Kyle Williams as 1st team all pro, and he doesn't make his top 100 list? Edit: The rankings only go to #31, so it's safe to say that King will have Williams somewhere on his list. Edited June 13, 2011 by Fingon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Lee has had 1 good year. He has one move fast, and even then he cannot get separation. With that said, Johnson has had only 1 good season also, so this season will go a long to in determining if he is as good if not better than Evans. I'll say this about Johnson, he found a away to get open. Now some might say that Evan was the reason he was open, but I say Evans couldn't get open when TO was here. So to me Johnson was able to do something Evans could not. But Johnson will be a one-hit-wonder if he can not repeat last year’s success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFan1965 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 He'd be 50th had he made one catch in one game. We all know which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappy Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Why so serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Stevie Johnson is the only Bill on Peter King's top 100 for now (and most likely) http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/05/30/top.100/index.html?sct=nfl_t11_a1 King is a big Kyle Williams fan, so there is a chance he is top 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) King is a big Kyle Williams fan, so there is a chance he is top 30. I was going to say this, he talks up Williams all the time on twitter and in his articles. You would have to think he would have him top 100, so maybe he ends up in the top 30 on his list. Edit: He was on his All-Pro team at the end of the season: Williams' latest bit of lauding comes by way of Sports Illustrated's Peter King, who has named Williams to his 2010 NFL All-Pro team. Writes King of Williams: "No other nose man is the combo pile-pusher and backfield invader that Williams is." http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/1/18/1942270/kyle-williams-makes-peter-kings-2010-nfl-all-pro-team I'm guessing he is top 30. Edited June 14, 2011 by Ghost of Rob Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 You are right on ... I think Stevie has all the potential in the world and too many critics look at the Pittsburgh game to dismiss him but the squeaky wheel always gets the attention. How could Kyle Williams not make this list? We just need the real season to determine whose career is moving up and whose is just a mirage to those who are the dreamers of the world. It is simple math; there are 32 teams in the league..so on an average you would expect 3 players from each team to get close to the 100...Now the teams @ the top have more than 3 elite/great players and the teams on the doormat are less likely to have 3 elite/great players. And when there is a tie between players from a good team and a bad team, the player in the good team is always going to get the nod. Additionally, the composition of the 100 is probably offense oriented (We are after all a QB driven league). If you did the math based on positions, there are 6 Offensive Positions (QB, WR, RB, TE, OG, OT), 5 Defensive Position (DT, DE, LB, CB, S). That is 9 players per position on the average. You have to look at each player at this position and judge if any of the Bills are in the top 9 in the league @ their position. It will be pretty obvious that we did not have (m)any who fit that criteria. The Bills were a doormat team with a 4-11 record and hence our lone representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 It is simple math; there are 32 teams in the league..so on an average you would expect 3 players from each team to get close to the 100...Now the teams @ the top have more than 3 elite/great players and the teams on the doormat are less likely to have 3 elite/great players. And when there is a tie between players from a good team and a bad team, the player in the good team is always going to get the nod. Additionally, the composition of the 100 is probably offense oriented (We are after all a QB driven league). If you did the math based on positions, there are 6 Offensive Positions (QB, WR, RB, TE, OG, OT), 5 Defensive Position (DT, DE, LB, CB, S). That is 9 players per position on the average. You have to look at each player at this position and judge if any of the Bills are in the top 9 in the league @ their position. It will be pretty obvious that we did not have (m)any who fit that criteria. The Bills were a doormat team with a 4-11 record and hence our lone representation. I agree with your points, despite your facts being slightly off and oversimplified. There are 8 positions on O (QB, FB, HB, TE, WR, C, G, T). I know I am splitting hairs on the distinction between HB+FB vs RB, but you can't forget center. Furthermore, each position on D is a bit more specialized than you are stating, for example a huge difference in responsbilities and what you look for in stats from an ILB vs OLB or FS vs SS. But discounting the fact that I split RB's up, it is still top per position, with no accounting for specialists like Devin Hester. I think that K Williams is a top 8 DT but you can't really say that about any other player on the team which should be no surprise for a team that went 4-12 last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappy Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 It is simple math; there are 32 teams in the league..so on an average you would expect 3 players from each team to get close to the 100...Now the teams @ the top have more than 3 elite/great players and the teams on the doormat are less likely to have 3 elite/great players. And when there is a tie between players from a good team and a bad team, the player in the good team is always going to get the nod. Additionally, the composition of the 100 is probably offense oriented (We are after all a QB driven league). If you did the math based on positions, there are 6 Offensive Positions (QB, WR, RB, TE, OG, OT), 5 Defensive Position (DT, DE, LB, CB, S). That is 9 players per position on the average. You have to look at each player at this position and judge if any of the Bills are in the top 9 in the league @ their position. It will be pretty obvious that we did not have (m)any who fit that criteria. The Bills were a doormat team with a 4-11 record and hence our lone representation. 4-11 ?? WTF?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 For anyone that says Lee is better than Johnson, your living in lala land. How bout you just look at Lees best year and compare it to Stevies best year. Has Lee ever had 10 TDs? Has Lee ever been a true #1? has Lee ever been able to take away coverage from another WR? Has Lee ever had more than one move? No, no, no, and not only no, he never had any move. His only move he ever had was speed and he was never good at that. He's small, slow for a true burner, not physical, can't seperate, and doesn't scare a single DB in the entire league. Johnson did more in 1 year as a true #1 than Evans ever has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 4-11 ?? WTF?? Scrappy....What is in another loss We can consider the game against the Steelers a Tie I agree with your points, despite your facts being slightly off and oversimplified. There are 8 positions on O (QB, FB, HB, TE, WR, C, G, T). I know I am splitting hairs on the distinction between HB+FB vs RB, but you can't forget center. Furthermore, each position on D is a bit more specialized than you are stating, for example a huge difference in responsbilities and what you look for in stats from an ILB vs OLB or FS vs SS. But discounting the fact that I split RB's up, it is still top per position, with no accounting for specialists like Devin Hester. I think that K Williams is a top 8 DT but you can't really say that about any other player on the team which should be no surprise for a team that went 4-12 last season I just clubbed Center with the Gaurds (Interior Linemen). Same way FB and HB are all RBs. May be TE needs to be separated from WR though folks like Gates and Heap are the "Known" TEs only because they CATCH passes. Also, remember that we are now talking across the NFL not AFC vs NFC, so the competition just doubled. Even @ the DT position, there are the two Williams in Minny, Wilfork in NE, Casey Hampton in Pittsburgh, Ngata in Baltimore, Suh in Detroit. That is already SIX. And when you are the starting NT on the worst run defense in the league, it is hard for Kyle to get many votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 For anyone that says Lee is better than Johnson, your living in lala land. How bout you just look at Lees best year and compare it to Stevies best year. Has Lee ever had 10 TDs? Has Lee ever been a true #1? has Lee ever been able to take away coverage from another WR? Has Lee ever had more than one move? No, no, no, and not only no, he never had any move. His only move he ever had was speed and he was never good at that. He's small, slow for a true burner, not physical, can't seperate, and doesn't scare a single DB in the entire league. Johnson did more in 1 year as a true #1 than Evans ever has. The fact that opinion is fairly divided as to which player is better probably means that it's a legit discussion and not some delusion as you seem to imply. And your questioning as to whether Evans has ever been a true number one or whether he has ever drawn coverage from the other WRs is not an open and shut case as you seem to think. No Lee hasn't had a 10 TD season but he has had 9, 8, and 7 TDs and has 43 TDs over 6 seasons. That's not too shabby. Johnson averaged barely 13 YPR last season… Evans' lifetime average is 15.7 YPR. In 2006 against Houston, Evans set the Bills record for most receiving yards in a quarter (205 yards) and in a game (265 yards). He became the first player in NFL history to catch 2 TD passes of over 80 yards in the same quarter (both for 83 yards). Twice in his career has Evans caught 3 TD passes in a game. He's had 14 multi-TD games in his career. He ran a 4.39 at the combine so comments such as "He's small, slow for a true burner, not physical, can't seperate, and doesn't scare a single DB in the entire league" are probably far from accurate. I'll grant you that he's not physical. As for his size, IMO it's a non-issue as there have been many wideouts approximately the same size or smaller than Lee Evans (Marvin Harrison, Isaac Bruce, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss) who've had great careers. Just because you think a number one receiver should be bigger doesn't make Evans too small. I understand that a case could be made that Johnson has surpassed Evans… that Johnson is trending up and Evans is trending down. But unfairly denigrating Evans is not how that case is made. Stevie had a nice breakout year and appears to be a player on the rise. He's had one good season. As for Lee, I wouldn't be so quick to bury him. While I'm disturbed at his lack of productivity over the last two seasons, I think it's a bit early to write him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Nice response SJBF. Mine would have been nastier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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