3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 http://www.teapartypatriots.org/mission.aspx Please read the link to the Tea Party mission statement and debate its merits. No need to try to confuse the issue with terms like "teabaggers" or make claims that it is racist or a bunch of fundamental whacko christians. Debate the mission statement only or be seen as the partisan hack you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 A lot of them are good people that stand for what it says there. The problem is that in trying to do something good, sometimes people overextend themselves and screw up. Same with just about anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 "Core Values Fiscal Responsibility Constitutionally Limited Government Free Markets" Alarming the people in high power like Reid and others describe them as extremist. With goals like this? Gross overspending and government control are the only extremes I see going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 A lot of them are good people that stand for what it says there. The problem is that in trying to do something good, sometimes people overextend themselves and screw up. Same with just about anything else. I see you have once again have taken a firm stand. Just exactly what are you saying? Are you insinuating that they have overextended themselves and screwed up? If so, how? Now, what did you think of the mission statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) http://www.teapartypatriots.org/mission.aspx Please read the link to the Tea Party mission statement and debate its merits. No need to try to confuse the issue with terms like "teabaggers" or make claims that it is racist or a bunch of fundamental whacko christians. Debate the mission statement only or be seen as the partisan hack you are. You set a great tone... Can we assume you identify with the Tea Party movement? Edited March 31, 2011 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I see you have once again have taken a firm stand. Just exactly what are you saying? Are you insinuating that they have overextended themselves and screwed up? If so, how? Now, what did you think of the mission statement? The stuff in the mission statement are things that just about everyone is for. I listed to Michelle Bauckman's speech the other day, and it stunk of partisan BS and mocked President Hu from China. Ideals are great, but the people who carry out those ideals will always be flawed, because they are human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 http://www.teapartypatriots.org/mission.aspx Please read the link to the Tea Party mission statement and debate its merits. No need to try to confuse the issue with terms like "teabaggers" or make claims that it is racist or a bunch of fundamental whacko christians. Debate the mission statement only or be seen as the partisan hack you are. As a fellow tea bagger, I'm for it. I'm curious to see what the douche baggers have to say about it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 You set a great tone... Can we assume you identify with the Tea Party movement? I am 100% in favor of that mission statement. As a fellow tea bagger, I'm for it. I'm curious to see what the douche baggers have to say about it, though. That's why I posted it. Watch who refuses to post in this thread. It will be those posters that can't argue with the mission statement but are partisan hacks who won't admit that the mission statement is good. The other partisan hacks like Buffy above will try to obfuscate the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The stuff in the mission statement are things that just about everyone is for. I listed to Michelle Bauckman's speech the other day, and it stunk of partisan BS and mocked President Hu from China. Ideals are great, but the people who carry out those ideals will always be flawed, because they are human. You think so? Because if thats true no one, at least in government and least of all democrats, act like it. And sure all people are flawed? So what? But some have good ideals(Tea Party) and some (Obama and his Ru Paul wife, democrats)have poor ones like socialism and liberalism. So the flawed human thing is a wash. I'm backing the one that has it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 You think so? Because if thats true no one, at least in government and least of all democrats, act like it. And sure all people are flawed? So what? But some have good ideals(Tea Party) and some (Obama and his Ru Paul wife, democrats)have poor ones like socialism and liberalism. So the flawed human thing is a wash. I'm backing the one that has it right. Thats pretty much what I said. I have no love for the Democratic party. I also have no problem with socialism, liberalism, conservatism or any of it. They all have worked and all have failed. I think I am a bit right of center, but not by much, I have always believed you pick and choose what you like from each and use what is practical. People see what they want to see in life- the people who ripped Bush of Iraq and praising Obama over Libya and vice versa. I just observe and laugh at it all (not the tragedies, of course, just the hypocricy). They all miss the point- sure, there was a decision to be made in both cases, just none of the options were good ones. I see the people of America as wanting some sort of constitutional monarchy, where the King is not allowed to make the decisions, but is fully accountable for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Alarming the people in high power like Reid and others describe them as extremist. With goals like this? Gross overspending and government control are the only extremes I see going on. What is truly alarming is the ignorance and apathy of the American public. Of course Harry Reid and his ilk (which is just about everyone in Congress) are going to work with their pals in Big Media to discredit such ideas when those ideas seek to put an end to the corrupt gravy train that is American government. So they use Chuck Schumer's strategy of screaming 'extremist' at all attempts at government reform (see the recent example in WI) while distracting the public with tales about how it's all someone else's fault. And sadly, it works the vast majority of the time. Meanwhile, they line their pockets and set themselves up to get filthy rich after they leave office. Just look at the ignorance displayed on this board on a daily basis. 'Thoughtful posters' up in arms over how much GE paid in taxes but not the least bit concerned that elected officials 1) took millions from GE, 2) wrote the tax laws that benefited GE, and 3) will end up sitting on GE's Board and getting millions in stock options after they leave office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 You think so? Because if thats true no one, at least in government and least of all democrats, act like it. And sure all people are flawed? So what? But some have good ideals(Tea Party) and some (Obama and his Ru Paul wife, democrats)have poor ones like socialism and liberalism. So the flawed human thing is a wash. I'm backing the one that has it right. And you wonder why the Tea Party is so easy to discredit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 And you wonder why the Tea Party is so easy to discredit. No easier than the democrats or republicans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 No easier than the democrats or republicans Exactly...so stop pretending that the Tea Party movement is somehow more noble than any other political philosophy. It is as weak as the people who adhere to it, and those who (it seems) serve as its' spokespeople. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Exactly...so stop pretending that the Tea Party movement is somehow more noble than any other political philosophy. It is as weak as the people who adhere to it, and those who (it seems) serve as its' spokespeople. You know- everyone is better than everyone else. There is a reason our future is so lugubrious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 You know- everyone is better than everyone else. There is a reason our future is so lugubrious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Exactly...so stop pretending that the Tea Party movement is somehow more noble than any other political philosophy. It is as weak as the people who adhere to it, and those who (it seems) serve as its' spokespeople. What do you think of the Tea Party's mission statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) Exactly...so stop pretending that the Tea Party movement is somehow more noble than any other political philosophy. It is as weak as the people who adhere to it, and those who (it seems) serve as its' spokespeople. It's more noble because it keeps the political party that depends on its support in check, while the parties just try to retain power for power's sake. Edited March 31, 2011 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 It's more noble because it keeps the political party that depends on its support in check, while the parties just try to retain power for power's sake. That presents both the opportunity to be noble or corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 It's more noble because it keeps the political party that depends on its support in check, while the parties just try to retain power for power's sake. But I guarantee you, nowhere in the Republican or Democratic mission statements does it say "we will try to retain power for power's sake". What the mission statement says isn't as important as what is actually done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 But I guarantee you, nowhere in the Republican or Democratic mission statements does it say "we will try to retain power for power's sake". What the mission statement says isn't as important as what is actually done. And that's what appears to be refreshing about the tea party. You don't follow your mission statement we will fire you. There has been too much complacency in this country. It's about time politicians are held accountable. The President is held to two terms, everyone else appears to be there for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 But I guarantee you, nowhere in the Republican or Democratic mission statements does it say "we will try to retain power for power's sake". What the mission statement says isn't as important as what is actually done. To the question at hand, if followed accordingly, what is your stance on the mission statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 And that's what appears to be refreshing about the tea party. You don't follow your mission statement we will fire you. There has been too much complacency in this country. It's about time politicians are held accountable. The President is held to two terms, everyone else appears to be there for life. Key word... To the question at hand, if followed accordingly, what is your stance on the mission statement? Eh...it is full of pretty, flowery words, like all mission statements. It serves it's purpose, I suppose. I do find this a little troubling: "We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 To the question at hand, if followed accordingly, what is your stance on the mission statement? Did you ever notice how people of certain persuasions refuse to be pinned down? Buffy is pulling a lyrbob (lyrbob's refusal to state his qualification in the real estate and mortgage industries after acting as if he is an expert). Buffy won't answer the question and will try to change the focus while Adam will just say "yes, but..............". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) Did you ever notice how people of certain persuasions refuse to be pinned down? Buffy is pulling a lyrbob (lyrbob's refusal to state his qualification in the real estate and mortgage industries after acting as if he is an expert). Buffy won't answer the question and will try to change the focus while Adam will just say "yes, but..............". I said, as a mission statement I have no problem with it. So, I have to agree with everything in it? Okay in that case, I vote "nyet"! I hate it! What exactly is your point? You appear to be beaming with pride, because your party/movement finally has a few coherent sentences strung together to serve as its reason for being. Great! Go team! Edited March 31, 2011 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Key word... Smart of you to pick up on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Smart of you to pick up on that. Even smarter of you to include it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 I said, as a mission statement I have no problem with it. So, I have to agree with everything in it? Okay, if that is the case, I hate it! What exactly is your point? You appear to be beaming with pride, because your party/movement finally has a few coherent sentences strung together. Great! Go team! You have no problem with it? So, in other words you believe in fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) You have no problem with it? So, in other words you believe in fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets? I have no problem with it as a mission statement. It plainly states where the Tea Party (is it a movement or a party?) stands on some fundamental issues. I have already said I have some problems with the content, but that wasn't to your liking. Apparently that is "so liberal" (or whatever you would call it). Edited March 31, 2011 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Even smarter of you to include it! In case you didn't know I'm very cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 In case you didn't know I'm very cynical. I really think you are smart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Great mission statement emphasizing the shiny, bright, new, beautiful ideals of the Tea Party movement. Now that some of their first elected officials are not living up to their campaign promises, the necessary addendum to the mission statement is (as Chef so eloquently stated): "(If) you don't follow your mission statement we will fire you". Again, it's all shiny and new, so I withhold judgement until this proves itself one way or another. The problem I have with the Tea Party is the dark underside which many of you like to deny exists. Despite it's seeming focus on the country's financial problems, there seems to be a deep-seeded faith-based element to it. While many of you won't have any problem with this, I hardly see this as an example of getting back to what the Founding Fathers were all about. In a lot of ways I see the Tea Party as a more fiscally responsible wing of the holier-than-thou Republican party, but I do have my biases as far as that stuff goes. I also feel that there is an element of racism in the movement - another thing that many people will deny until they're blue in the face. I think the Tea Party's demographics speak for themselves as far as that stuff goes. It's almost not even worth arguing because it's really just a subjective judgement. All in all, once the shine wears off, I expect the Tea Party to regress toward the mean and blend back into a (possibly) slightly more fiscally conservative Republican Party. Maybe I'm just being cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 I have no problem with it as a mission statement. It plainly states where the Tea Party (is it a movement or a party?) stands on some fundamental issues. I have already said I have some problems with the content, but that wasn't to your liking. Apparently that is "so liberal" (or whatever you would call it). Are you referring to the part that says something like "we believe it is possible to know the original intent of the government that our founding fathers......."? The question that I asked you had to do with your believing in fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets. You still haven't answered that. All you'll say is that you have no problem with it as a mission statement for the Tea Party. Can you answer my original question? It's a movement named after the Boston Tea Party with tea being an acronym for "Taxed Enough Already". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) http://www.teapartypatriots.org/mission.aspx Please read the link to the Tea Party mission statement and debate its merits. No need to try to confuse the issue with terms like "teabaggers" or make claims that it is racist or a bunch of fundamental whacko christians. Debate the mission statement only or be seen as the partisan hack you are. Interesting Mission statement. Much of which I agree with, but I just got done listening to Rep. Mike Pence, who claims to be a Member,go off on a partisan rant about cutting funding for things like planned parenthood that hardly make a dent in the budget. Despite some controversial actions of planned parenthood in regard to the life issue, the majority of which's mission and efforts is to prevent unwanted pregnancies and to support parents so that they can successfully raise a healthy child "in pursuit of life liberty and happiness. Also I am confused about the meaning "must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect." One does not necessarily beget the other as seen by all this deficit and spend government over the last 10 years. Until both sides quit taking partisan shots as the poster of this thread suggests all Washington is doing right now is relegating itself to the chattering classes. Until defense spending and medicare is addressed as well as transparency in the tax code... i.e. lowering the rates while eliminating loopholes, the best this does is provide rhetorical cover for the many fake so called tea party supporters. Those that are actually sincere are having their message drowned out by the carpet baggers using it a political foil and little else. P.S. Free markets without effective anti-trust is neither. That is to say government intervention is necessary to provide for an orderly enforcement of rules that allow for free markets to be maintained and not monopolized. Monopolies and oligopolies are by definition an antithesis to obstructionist to the operation of free markets. Hence why government intervention under Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution is necessary and needed. Too much however and government becomes the problem and in many respects the Federal Government, especially our legislative branch on both sides is useless in my opinion, and only serves as protection for both sides' special interests. Thanks for allowing me to rant. Edited March 31, 2011 by yellowlinesandarmadillos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Are you referring to the part that says something like "we believe it is possible to know the original intent of the government that our founding fathers......."? The question that I asked you had to do with your believing in fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets. You still haven't answered that. All you'll say is that you have no problem with it as a mission statement for the Tea Party. Can you answer my original question? It's a movement named after the Boston Tea Party with tea being an acronym for "Taxed Enough Already". Hey, if you love the Tea Movement so much, why don't you marry it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Great mission statement emphasizing the shiny, bright, new, beautiful ideals of the Tea Party movement. Now that some of their first elected officials are not living up to their campaign promises, the necessary addendum to the mission statement is (as Chef so eloquently stated): "(If) you don't follow your mission statement we will fire you". Again, it's all shiny and new, so I withhold judgement until this proves itself one way or another. The problem I have with the Tea Party is the dark underside which many of you like to deny exists. Despite it's seeming focus on the country's financial problems, there seems to be a deep-seeded faith-based element to it. While many of you won't have any problem with this, I hardly see this as an example of getting back to what the Founding Fathers were all about. In a lot of ways I see the Tea Party as a more fiscally responsible wing of the holier-than-thou Republican party, but I do have my biases as far as that stuff goes. I also feel that there is an element of racism in the movement - another thing that many people will deny until they're blue in the face. I think the Tea Party's demographics speak for themselves as far as that stuff goes. It's almost not even worth arguing because it's really just a subjective judgement.All in all, once the shine wears off, I expect the Tea Party to regress toward the mean and blend back into a (possibly) slightly more fiscally conservative Republican Party. Maybe I'm just being cynical. Link? Links? The Tea Party's mission statement clearly states that it has nothing to do with social issues. To say that it is faith based and/or has elements of racism is in my opinion just a canard put out there by the media and left wing nutjobs. Remember the picture in Arizona at a Tea Party rally of the racist person with a rifle? I believe it was NBC pushing the story about racism in the Tea Party. They opined about the white supremacy in the Tea Party. They didn't show the guy's face though. In reality the guy was black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) Great mission statement emphasizing the shiny, bright, new, beautiful ideals of the Tea Party movement. Now that some of their first elected officials are not living up to their campaign promises, the necessary addendum to the mission statement is (as Chef so eloquently stated): "(If) you don't follow your mission statement we will fire you". Again, it's all shiny and new, so I withhold judgement until this proves itself one way or another. The problem I have with the Tea Party is the dark underside which many of you like to deny exists. Despite it's seeming focus on the country's financial problems, there seems to be a deep-seeded faith-based element to it. While many of you won't have any problem with this, I hardly see this as an example of getting back to what the Founding Fathers were all about. In a lot of ways I see the Tea Party as a more fiscally responsible wing of the holier-than-thou Republican party, but I do have my biases as far as that stuff goes. I also feel that there is an element of racism in the movement - another thing that many people will deny until they're blue in the face. I think the Tea Party's demographics speak for themselves as far as that stuff goes. It's almost not even worth arguing because it's really just a subjective judgement. All in all, once the shine wears off, I expect the Tea Party to regress toward the mean and blend back into a (possibly) slightly more fiscally conservative Republican Party. Maybe I'm just being cynical. So you're saying the Founding Fathers didn't have a deep seeded faith based element? Where do you get the racism? Edited March 31, 2011 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I have a problem with it. What the !@#$ does "fiscal responsibility mean"? Is it "fiscally responsible" to slash away at domestic programs (whatever, fine by me) while continuing to increase military spending and continuing to treat aid to Israel as a 3rd rail (not fine by me)? What constitutes "excessive taxation"? What about "excessive spending"? Seems like there's a lot of room for "tea party" politicians to claim to adhere to this mission statement while not being fiscally responsible at all. I'm sure everyone on this board is against "excessive taxation" and "excessive spending," the question lies in how we define such things. The mission statement goes on to talk about how they want "Constitutionally limited government" but there are vastly different interpretations of the Constitution even among those who are the very depositories of the laws: courts and judges. Frankly, the last things I want are more lawmakers who polish their **** with terms like "fiscally responsible" when, in reality, they're spending more and more money on a military that intervenes virtually everywhere and a tiny country that can spend its own money on their military. Jeez, and I haven't even mentioned the "family values" bull **** that so many "tea party" politicians cling to. Sure, the market can be free, but your bodies and bedrooms can't! !@#$ that. Tom's not the only one who's ornery today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Hey, if you love the Tea Movement so much, why don't you marry it??? Your first post in this thread was somewhat reasonable and I answered you accordingly. You then have to post crap like this quoting my response to a different poster? http://www.google.com/search?q=tourettes+guy&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF_en Is this you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 So you're saying the Founding Fathers didn't have a deep seeded faith based element? Where do you get the racism? Yes, I think the Founding Fathers thought it important to keep religion separate from government. Racisim implied by the demographics and some of the racist propaganda infecting the internet which I believe originates anonymously from people involved in the movement. Like I said, just my opinion, which is clearly subjective. Your first post in this thread was somewhat reasonable and I answered you accordingly. You then have to post crap like this quoting my response to a different poster? http://www.google.co...&rlz=1I7ADBF_en Is this you? No, meatball, I just saw you ranting obsessively about this bulletproof mission statement you just read and thought I'd !@#$ with you a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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