offyourocker Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Hey N'gata, don’t take it personally. The Bills were not dissing you, they are just highly incompetent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Agreed. Does anyone think that whining about mistakes made in the past are going to make tomorrow any better? Whining doesn't cure anything. Then again, all the whining hasn't gotten Tom Modrak fired yet, although there's never been a bad pick charged to him so college scouting is fine as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyjustbcuz Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 sigh the what ifs. I thought this guy looked like a beast coming out of college. I remember when whitner was picked everyone in the room going whattttttttttttttt Could you imagine if we had Ngata and Orakapo! They both fell to us and we declined to receive them...sounds just like when we win the coin toss!!! I love our Bills...but we're a dumb organization! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Whining doesn't cure anything. Then again, all the whining hasn't gotten Tom Modrak fired yet, although there's never been a bad pick charged to him so college scouting is fine as it is. I wonder who the board will blame if there are another 2 or 3 bad draft classes. Smart money is that it will all be Buddy Nix's fault and Modrak will leak news to his ESPN friends that he would've picked whoever turns out to be RotY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I wonder who the board will blame if there are another 2 or 3 bad draft classes. Smart money is that it will all be Buddy Nix's fault and Modrak will leak news to his ESPN friends that he would've picked whoever turns out to be RotY. Pastabelly out at ESPN Teflon Tom Modrak will need to leak his info to another place Lenny P. works. Funny how Modrak doesn't want to be GM, but he's so awesome at picking future Pro-Bowlers. With his manufactured resume, you'd think teams would be lining up for his services as a GM or college scouting director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyjustbcuz Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 (edited) Hey N'gata, don’t take it personally. The Bills were not dissing you, they are just highly incompetent Gotta agree with that statement! I (and probably half of you out there) could do a better job selecting the Bills drafts over the past several years armed with 2 or 3 NFL Draft Magazines, 1 pen, a phone, a ream of paper, and a cup of coffee. It's the shame the Bills organization spends hundreds of thousands of dollars..(probably more) on scouting, interviewing players, evaluating film, etc.....and refuse to select players of substance like Orakapo, Ngata etc...and instead select players like Mike Williams, Donte Whitner, Aaron "bust" Maybin, and countless others who've been through the revolving door. At the end of the day we always can count on hearing Joe Klopestein's name either being released or resigned as that seems to be the best that this organization can do! Joe who you say? He's been a transaction so many times for the Bills..either being released or brought back...yet he never really plays, but then again neither has most of our draft picks from '10 !!! So what happened to Carrington, Wang, Troup..(yeah, he may finally start this week!)..all these IMPACT players that we drafted...lol... I'd forfeit the 2011 NFL Draft if we could get Bill Polian back as our GM..and we'd still be further ahead of schedule than we would be by letting Nix, Gailey, Modrak, and the crew mess things up once again!!! Not a big fan of this Good OLE Boy network from Georgia Tech neither! I think it's a bad joke that Gailey was out of football all together for a couple of years sitting on his couch, sipping on ensure and wearing depends while playing Madden video games when a low bidder like the Bills asked him if he'd be interested? Gailey said "sure" as long as I can bring all my former Georgia Tech coaches along and give them a free ride. Curtis Modkins included..and I'll make him my Offensive Coordinator even though he has no experience in that position at any level of football. But, I'll put him in that new position in the NFL without experience...But I'll do his job for him and call all the plays myself, because I'm stuck there on the sidelines anyways and have nothing better to do. I'll bump everyone on my staff up one positon from what they were when they were on my Georgia Tech staff..why not? Who needs NFL experience at this level anyways? yEAH, you may sense the sarcasm..but it's really not far from the truth..and our Bills are pathetic! How are you going to build through the draft when you don't resign your top free agents like Jabari Greer, Nate Clements, Antwoine Winfield, Pat Williams etc...??? So each year you create more holes and plug them with players you drafted, never getting better because your filling new holes, while other holes and deficiencies are numerous!!!! The whole philosophy of the Bills only works if you keep all your players that are up for free agency! Then again who wants to keep the majority of the current roster anyways? So, it should be purge, spend on free agency like NEW England, Indy and the Jets do, and improve your squad as well with stellar drafts like the teams above do each year! It's a shame that N. England continues to draft better than us each year even though their picks are a lot lower than ours each year! They somehow manage to get an extra pick in the first round most years and have 2 once again in 2011. Well enough said for now about the hapless Bills! I think that the current management of the Bills is terrible including Russ Brandon for all the past credit he has received. I think this project gets much worse and this whole crew will be gone in 2 or 3 years! I don't think Nix's philosophy works if the owner is not willing to spend to keep the players here that are up for free agency. I don't think Nix'S Philosophy works if you continually miss on selecting the right players and the right positions in the draft. I don't think Nix'S Philosophy works if you stick to the Mentality of the best player in the draft versus positional needs when determining your selection. So if the best player available in 2011 is a CB, are we going to pass on a QB and select a CB? According to Nix's philosophy that is exactly what would happen, and the proof is in the pudding as displayed when we selected C.J. Spiller instead of a QB, OLT,or WR with our first round pick when we are in dire need to fill those positons! What more can I say than..I sure wish Bill Polian was our GM ! Edited October 22, 2010 by tonyjustbcuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 sigh the what ifs. I thought this guy looked like a beast coming out of college. I remember when whitner was picked everyone in the room going whattttttttttttttt I'll never forget that moment...I really thought Ngata was the Pick...It's weird because I did not give it a 2nd thought...Then the card came in and it was like...Huh?...Really?...Okey-doke... Could you imagine if we had Ngata and Orakapo! They both fell to us and we declined to receive them...sounds just like when we win the coin toss!!! I love our Bills...but we're a dumb organization! Well...How about Ngata, Orakpo, Ryan Clady, and Derrelle Revis instead of Whitner, Maybin, Lynch, and McLovin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I'll never forget that moment...I really thought Ngata was the Pick...It's weird because I did not give it a 2nd thought...Then the card came in and it was like...Huh?...Really?...Okey-doke... Well...How about Ngata, Orakpo, Ryan Clady, and Derrelle Revis instead of Whitner, Maybin, Lynch, and McLovin... You guys negating, that concept that if we say drafted an impact player like Ngata, he makes a couple big stops or a sack and we turn 1 of those close losses to a win. 1 more win means we're not in a position to take Orakpo because we are picking later. Its a little more dynamic that dreaming up what ifs like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in Syracuse Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 (edited) http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2010/10/21/ngata-saw-self-as-bills-pick/ It makes you sick, doesn't it? Edited October 22, 2010 by Chris in Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Hey N'gata, don’t take it personally. The Bills were not dissing you, they are just highly incompetent Yeah, what he doesn't get is that the cover 2 requires only petite guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcatty Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Just a reminder nothing new here. We picked Donte Whitner with the 8th overall pick. Cutler, Ngata, Cromartie, and Santonio Holmes were all picked after Whitner in the first round. We also moved up (trade with the Bears), I believe, to pick John McCargo in the first round (26th overall), just before Nick Mangold and DeAngelo Williams were taken. Other than the aforestated it was a great draft for Marv Levy, and Modrak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 This topic is rapidly approaching the "need for one giant Coulda Shoulda Woulda thread" status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 So the bottom line answer to the question of whether lil Donte was the right #1 pick in 2006 is still................................Ngata chance!!! I, along with many others, had the confused Scooby Doo (rrrrrrrrr) look on my face when the Bills make that selection....would still love to hear the rationale behind the pick. Has Marv ever stated why they chose Whitner over Ngata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 You guys negating, that concept that if we say drafted an impact player like Ngata, he makes a couple big stops or a sack and we turn 1 of those close losses to a win. 1 more win means we're not in a position to take Orakpo because we are picking later. Its a little more dynamic that dreaming up what ifs like that. Well I could easily argue your Post is the one dreaming up what if's...The fact is these Players were drafted after the Bills Picked each year...It's a 100% fact...What Ngata may have done is irrelevant to the base argument here, which is basically that The Bills were brutal in evaluating talent during the Levy/Jauron years...It's about who we passed when we picked...The bunching them together is nothing more than showing it in bulk form... Sorry, no offense really, but Posts like yours just seem to excuse the incompetence instead of seeing the obvious...It's devil's advocacy for the sake of devil's advocacy and nothing more...It's akin to making it seem like it's really not as bad as it was...And if anything it's worse... Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 (edited) Well I could easily argue your Post is the one dreaming up what if's...The fact is these Players were drafted after the Bills Picked each year...It's a 100% fact...What Ngata may have done is irrelevant to the base argument here, which is basically that The Bills were brutal in evaluating talent during the Levy/Jauron years...It's about who we passed when we picked...The bunching them together is nothing more than showing it in bulk form... Sorry, no offense really, but Posts like yours just seem to excuse the incompetence instead of seeing the obvious...It's devil's advocacy for the sake of devil's advocacy and nothing more...It's akin to making it seem like it's really not as bad as it was...And if anything it's worse... Just saying... Thats funny for four reasons. 1. By that logic drafting players does not effect wins and losses; therefore the Bills are predetermined with a certain record and draft position every year, why bother drafting anyone then? 2. In no way can anything I said be misconstrued to support the horrible Front Office moves of the Bills. 3. What is pointless is masturbatory threads. "We could have drafted Peyton Manning, Chris Johnson, Andre Johnson, The Jets O-Line, Kept the Williams Wall, drafted Ngata, Orakpo, Asomgha and Revis and we would be 19-0 and win 10 super Bowls in the 2000s. " and 4. Talk about "It's devil's advocacy for the sake of devil's advocacy and nothing more" Edited October 22, 2010 by Levitre + Wang = Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 The real problem is that Bills drafts have not been managed by football professionals. They have been directed by a poltergeist impersonating the VP of college scouting, with the assistance of Satan's little wizards, impersonating the rest of the front office, and who are collectively hell bent on irritating human beings, specifically Bills fans. No other explanation can plausibly account for the goings on at OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Nice review of what went down. I suspect your sources are valid. I believe it was Marv, too. Modrak probably was against the pick and perhaps didn't want to "rock the boat". One of those things I suppose we'll never know. Indeed, Modrak gets a pass on this one. He wanted Cutler and tried to make Marv understand that JP wasn't an NFL QB. Marv was reluctant to take a QB in the first round because he didn't want to throw a high profile rookie QB out there with so many other problems yet to solve. From what I am told, the only first round picks during the Levy/Russ era that Modrak highly recommended was the Leodis McKelvin pick in 2008. (Modrak was on board with the CJ pick last spring.) He really wanted Cushing in 2009. In 2007 Lynch was another one of those consensus picks, but Modrak was supposedly trying to get them to draft one of the top corners (Hall or Revis). In fact, Marv almost pulled the trigger on Poz there but Modrak convinced him that he could be drafted MUCH later, whereas Lynch would definitely go within the next 4-5 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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