lets_go_bills Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Tailgate, get hammered; Verbally abuse fins fans; Watch the Bills win big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiLou Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) wildcat or any chad no matter who plays Sunday Bills will beat dolphins and i just pooped my pants? Edited September 9, 2010 by milehiLou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Actually, you're wrong...look it up, then come back and apologize. He is wrong about the 5 syllables, 7 syllables. 5 syllables. It is actually 5,7,5 moras (which don't always translate precisely to syllables). But he is correct that some of the verses presented in this thread are not Haiku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Billy Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 But dean, that's irrelevant because we're not speaking Japanese. The commonly accepted "westernized" haiku is as he described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 wish no ill will fins all is cordial snug and warm rip your hearts out die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 But dean, that's irrelevant because we're not speaking Japanese. The commonly accepted "westernized" haiku is as he described. Don't you hate stuff that is commonly accepted, but not correct? I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 It's Football Season All Glory to Hypnotoad Let's Go Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Billy Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 No, I don't hate it. It is correct because it is commonly accepted. Like how new words get accepted into the dictionary. By your logic, it is also technically correct if written in the japanese language. Thus an "incorrect" westernized version is acceptable due to translation and written issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRM33064 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 We have healthy Wood Our Wang is poised and ready Fins - watch Youbouty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 There once was a team from Miami..... No wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Taylor Swift is hot But way too much pre game crap Just play the damn game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 No, I don't hate it. It is correct because it is commonly accepted. Like how new words get accepted into the dictionary. By your logic, it is also technically correct if written in the japanese language. Thus an "incorrect" westernized version is acceptable due to translation and written issues. I don't accept that "commonly accepted" equals "correct". Sorry, that's not one you get by me. The average person is a moron. Most of the rest I agree with. And, yes, when I write Haiku in English (which isn't very often...maybe one or two a year during Phin week) I do indeed use the 5-7-5 syllable method. But, the "truth" of the matter is, Haiku is a Japanese art form and syllables don't really apply. A decent definition is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku Excerpt: In contrast to English verse typically characterized by meter, Japanese verse counts sound units (moras), known as "on". Traditional haiku consist of 17 on, in three phrases of 5, 7, and 5 on respectively. Although the word "on" is often translated as "syllable", in fact one on is counted for a short syllable, an additional one for an elongated vowel, diphthong, or doubled consonant, and one more for an "n" at the end of a syllable. Thus, the word "haibun", though counted as two syllables in English, is counted as four on in Japanese (ha-i-bu-n). This is illustrated by the Issa haiku below, which contains 17 on but only 15 syllables. In addition, some sounds, such as "kyo" (きょ) can be perceived as two syllables in English but as a single on in Japanese. A word that illustrates both these issues is "Tokyo", which is perceived as having three syllables in English (To-ky-o) but four moras in Japanese (To-o-kyo-o). Furthermore, Haiku in English isn't really even strictly 5-7-5 syllables as noted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_in_English Excerpt: Contemporary haiku are written in many languages, but most poets outside of Japan are concentrated in the English-speaking countries. It is impossible to single out any current style, format, or subject matter as definitive. Some of the more common practices in English include: * Use of three lines of up to 17 syllables; * Use of a season word (kigo); * Use of a cut or kire (sometimes indicated by a punctuation mark) to compare two images implicitly. English haiku do not adhere to the strict syllable count found in Japanese haiku,[1] and the typical length of haiku appearing in the main English-language journals is 10–14 syllables.[2][3] Some haiku poets are concerned with their haiku being expressed in one breath[4][5][6] and the extent to which their haiku focus on "showing" as opposed to "telling".[7][8] This is the genius of haiku using an economy of words to paint a multi-tiered painting, without "telling all" One might find fault with some of the Haiku here, which clearly state Miami sucks and will lose, as that pretty much "tells all". But I don't take exception to that. What I was really trying to say, in the post you initially responded to is, there are more variations of Haiku (even English language Haiku) than the 5-7-5 we normally assume. But even assuming that, some here aren't Haiku by ANY definition, as they have far too many moras, syllables, etc. So, really, that was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I don't accept that "commonly accepted" equals "correct". Sorry, that's not one you get by me. The average person is a moron. Most of the rest I agree with. And, yes, when I write Haiku in English (which isn't very often...maybe one or two a year during Phin week) I do indeed use the 5-7-5 syllable method. But, the "truth" of the matter is, Haiku is a Japanese art form and syllables don't really apply. A decent definition is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku Excerpt: Furthermore, Haiku in English isn't really even strictly 5-7-5 syllables as noted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_in_English Excerpt: One might find fault with some of the Haiku here, which clearly state Miami sucks and will lose, as that pretty much "tells all". But I don't take exception to that. What I was really trying to say, in the post you initially responded to is, there are more variations of Haiku (even English language Haiku) than the 5-7-5 we normally assume. But even assuming that, some here aren't Haiku by ANY definition, as they have far too many moras, syllables, etc. So, really, that was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I haven't seen the Week 1 Haiku topic started yet, so here goes: Trent returns to form CJ Spiller looks good, too Miami will lose Sushi goes with Beer From the 'Phins, Bills preparing Phine Sushi. Fans Cheer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay4481 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 We have healthy Wood Our Wang is poised and ready Fins - watch Youbouty YES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Spiller, Lynch, Jackson Run wild on Dolphin defense For easy Bills win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 The Scribe Sullivan Says Bills worthless team to watch Suck it Sullivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Saw pink panted man on South Beach. Can't be - Maybin? Still though, Lets Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 We have healthy Wood Our Wang is poised and ready Fins - watch Youbouty I pick this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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