BuffaloBaumer Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 What would be the biggest bone to throw at Baltimore for Gaither. Again, this is ONLY if Edwards looks damn good. If it turns out that LT was the one thing holding this team back and they failed to address it, it could really prove to be costly. Save the Trent sucks comments because I already said IF..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Food_Pyramid_Wrong Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 you aren't going to have to worry about Edwards. Fitzpatrick will be the starter. Plays like his long touchdown run last year and his ability and willingness to throw down the middle of the field are the reasons why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Well to get this back on track, if quarterbacking wasn't an issue and the only thing holding us back was LOT? At this point, the same options exist. Jared Gaither, Jammal Brown, and Flozell Adams. So I wouldn't target only Gaither. Because of the three options, the Bills have a bit of leverage here, especially considering that many of the teams seemingly filled their tackle needs via the draft. Adams is a free agent who would probably want a big, one-year deal to stop gap for us (a la Terrell Owens). Gaither and Brown would require some trade compensation…Gaither probably more…and Gaither would most likely want a new long term contract, so he would be the most expensive as far as trade cost and salary compensation. It was reported that the Ravens wanted a 2nd round pick for Gaither and the Bills were not willing to give it up. Could they get Brown for a 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 What would be the biggest bone to throw at Baltimore for Gaither. Again, this is ONLY if Edwards looks damn good. If it turns out that LT was the one thing holding this team back and they failed to address it, it could really prove to be costly. Save the Trent sucks comments because I already said IF..... Not having a presentable LT is not the only thing that this team lacks. It is going to take a few years and an infusion of talent to get this team to a playoff level. Not all issues are going to be addressed in one year. If the front office consistently performs competently in due time this team will be taken seriously. Moving in the right direction is better than moving in the wrong direction, or being stuck in the mud. Right now, I will settle for watching better performances and having the team steadily get better. Don't expect Gaither to be a long term answer at LT. A lazy player is never a long term answer to anything. I'm not against getting a stop gap LT off the market. But investing in Gaither is like investing in fools gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 you aren't going to have to worry about Edwards. Fitzpatrick will be the starter. Plays like his long touchdown run last year and his ability and willingness to throw down the middle of the field are the reasons why. That's crazy talk. Fitz is the worst QB on the roster. He's a servicable backup, nothing more. He's terribly inaccurate, has a weak arm and just doesn't have the ability to lead a team to a W week in and week out. If the Bills don't feel comfortable trying to put Brown on the PS, it wouldn't shock me at all to see Fitz cut in camp. He'll get cut before Brohm (unless Brohm is a total disaster in pre-season). Trent is the starter. Lock it up. He just needs to prove he can stay healthy for a full 16 games. But I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted June 4, 2010 Author Share Posted June 4, 2010 you aren't going to have to worry about Edwards. Fitzpatrick will be the starter. Plays like his long touchdown run last year and his ability and willingness to throw down the middle of the field are the reasons why. Honestly, Fitz would be the only pick for QB that would truly make me lose interest all season long..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 That's crazy talk. Fitz is the worst QB on the roster. He's a servicable backup, nothing more. He's terribly inaccurate, has a weak arm and just doesn't have the ability to lead a team to a W week in and week out. If the Bills don't feel comfortable trying to put Brown on the PS, it wouldn't shock me at all to see Fitz cut in camp. He'll get cut before Brohm (unless Brohm is a total disaster in pre-season). Trent is the starter. Lock it up. He just needs to prove he can stay healthy for a full 16 games. But I'm not holding my breath. Honestly, Fitz would be the only pick for QB that would truly make me lose interest all season long..... I know it's absurd that I'm now scolding the original poster but... Firstly, on the quarterback debate, can we wait to see a few preseason games? Or are you both omniscient? Secondly, the thread was about if we get good QB play, what price do we pay for a left tackle? Okay. I feel better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spillerwich Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 What would be the biggest bone to throw at Baltimore for Gaither. Again, this is ONLY if Edwards looks damn good. If it turns out that LT was the one thing holding this team back and they failed to address it, it could really prove to be costly. Save the Trent sucks comments because I already said IF..... Not sre why everyone says that Gaither would be such a great player. I have been looking at his old game tapes and listening to what the "so called" pros are saying about him. So far from what I hear and see he is LAZY and gets hurt too much. Not to mention he's going to want pro bowl LT kinda money. Not worth it IMO. Let our line gell and become better together. We'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Destroyers! Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Well to get this back on track, if quarterbacking wasn't an issue and the only thing holding us back was LOT? At this point, the same options exist. Jared Gaither, Jammal Brown, and Flozell Adams. So I wouldn't target only Gaither. Because of the three options, the Bills have a bit of leverage here, especially considering that many of the teams seemingly filled their tackle needs via the draft. Adams is a free agent who would probably want a big, one-year deal to stop gap for us (a la Terrell Owens). Gaither and Brown would require some trade compensation…Gaither probably more…and Gaither would most likely want a new long term contract, so he would be the most expensive as far as trade cost and salary compensation. It was reported that the Ravens wanted a 2nd round pick for Gaither and the Bills were not willing to give it up. Could they get Brown for a 3rd? The Best trade the Bills could make is a three way trade where the Bills get Gathier, Ravens get a 2nd(From Seahawks), and the Seahawks get Lynch and a 5th(From the Bills). This will solve a couple of problems on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I know it's absurd that I'm now scolding the original poster but... Firstly, on the quarterback debate, can we wait to see a few preseason games? Or are you both omniscient? Secondly, the thread was about if we get good QB play, what price do we pay for a left tackle? Okay. I feel better now. It's like spilling a jar of marbles on a table and hoping they won't roll off the edge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I would hate to break it to you but even if we trade for Gaither and we get unexpected production out of the QB position we still have other holes on the offensive side of the ball. We still are short a number two WR and Nelson is a crapshoot to develop into a tightend. Also our RT and C positions are far from set either. So yeah even if we plug our two biggest holes on O we still lack in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 It was reported that the Ravens wanted a 2nd round pick for Gaither and the Bills were not willing to give it up. Could they get BrowIn for a 3rd? How about going back to Seattle and see if they would take Lynch for a third round pick? Then go to the Saints and try to work out a deal for Brown for a third or fourth round pick. The Saints are probably not going to give Brown an extension when his contract runs out. I believe he has one more year on his deal. In addition, the Saints drafted LT Charles Brown in the second round and they have some decent LTs who played in JB's spot last year when he was hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I know it's absurd that I'm now scolding the original poster but... Firstly, on the quarterback debate, can we wait to see a few preseason games? Or are you both omniscient? Secondly, the thread was about if we get good QB play, what price do we pay for a left tackle? Okay. I feel better now. How many games do you need to see Fitz play before you can judge him? There's more than enough film on both he and Trent to make that sort of prediction. It isn't rocket science. Fitz is athletic and can make plays with his feet. He's also smart and seems like a swell guy. But he does not have the tools to be a winning QB in this league. He showed it in Cincy. He showed it in Buffalo last year. Trent had flashes of brilliance. But also has a knack for getting injured. If he can't stay healthy and on the field, he can't lead this team to a championship. That's the big question mark hanging over Trent's head (for me at least). I believe he has the tools to win as far as football IQ, accuracy and yes, even arm strength -- but I know I'm in the minority on that one. Brohm and Brown are total unknowns. They haven't played enough downs for anyone, outside of the coaches, to make a real solid prediction on how they'll fit into the team. But, as I said, evaluating Fitz or Trent doesn't take psychic ability. They've had enough time to make a fairly accurate prediction on how they'll fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 It's like spilling a jar of marbles on a table and hoping they won't roll off the edge... Granted. I'm not predicting good quarterback play this year…I don't know what to expect. I was just trying to explain the premise of the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 The Best trade the Bills could make is a three way trade where the Bills get Gathier, Ravens get a 2nd(From Seahawks), and the Seahawks get Lynch and a 5th(From the Bills). This will solve a couple of problems on this team. I like that idea, although I'm not sure a 5th would be necessary. Any scenario where we could turn Lynch into a starting LT for us is a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossage Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 We dont have any returning above average starters on the offensive line, a number two receiver, and we need four decent OLBs, none of which we know we can depend on yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I would hate to break it to you but even if we trade for Gaither and we get unexpected production out of the QB position we still have other holes on the offensive side of the ball. We still are short a number two WR and Nelson is a crapshoot to develop into a tightend. Also our RT and C positions are far from set either. So yeah even if we plug our two biggest holes on O we still lack in other areas. The whole problem right now, as I see it, is that we don't know where the holes are, because we don't know if we have the players in place at those positions or not. Who knows if Hardy or Johnson can fill the number 2 WR, or Easley for that matter. We don't know yet if Nelson can fulfill his potential at TE. We don't know if the young guys can fill the holes on the line, and we don't know if any of our QBs can play at a reasonable level. And on, and on. The only thing that is certain is our secondary is set. The FO tried to fill the holes they KNEW existed with this draft. Now we'll find out, assuming Gailey's philosophy is sound, who is serviceable, who is not, and who is the answer at their position for the foreseeable future. Evaluating a players performance based on the last several seasons is akin to gauging someone's swimming ability by whether or not they survived the Titanic disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 How many games do you need to see Fitz play before you can judge him? There's more than enough film on both he and Trent to make that sort of prediction. It isn't rocket science. Fitz is athletic and can make plays with his feet. He's also smart and seems like a swell guy. But he does not have the tools to be a winning QB in this league. He showed it in Cincy. He showed it in Buffalo last year. Trent had flashes of brilliance. But also has a knack for getting injured. If he can't stay healthy and on the field, he can't lead this team to a championship. That's the big question mark hanging over Trent's head (for me at least). I believe he has the tools to win as far as football IQ, accuracy and yes, even arm strength -- but I know I'm in the minority on that one. Even during his "flashes of brilliance", Trent has shown a propensity to check down and a stubborn refusal to attack the middle of the field with any consistency. And other than those "flashes", he got benched and was out played by the QB without the tools. Fitz may not be the prettiest, but at least he tried to make something happen. Can't say the same for Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Even during his "flashes of brilliance", Trent has shown a propensity to check down and a stubborn refusal to attack the middle of the field with any consistency. And other than those "flashes", he got benched and was out played by the QB without the tools. Fitz may not be the prettiest, but at least he tried to make something happen. Can't say the same for Trent. While this may be the case, the problem for Fitz is that we've seen what he has to give. He's maximizing his potential. He's not going to get any better. If he's starting opening day, we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep2Moulds46 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Honestly, Fitz would be the only pick for QB that would truly make me lose interest all season long..... Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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