CarolinaBill Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 ok here dumb a*s ill do this one time and one time only... FACT: He was the only first qb to beat farve in lambeau in the playoffs under 20 degrees FACT: He went to pro bowls-- Big deal, its a popularity contest, thats the argument with peters right?? FACT: He took them to the NFC championchip game--good for him FACT: He had shi*ty receivers--the same recievers matt ryan had that look just fine now?? awesome argument FACT: He had the highest selling jersey 2 years in a row (marketing)--now there's a good point, unfortunately, thats not the case nowadays FACT: His highlights were always the best, very true, he had some sick highlights FACT: He has a strong arm and qb rushing records--also true, however, he couldnt hit an open receiver to save his life, check the Comp %, he's bottom 1/3 among starters So u say he never took the falcons to the Superbowl to say what exactly... Just because you have back to back winning seasons that makes you a good QB. So what if your whole defense gets injured and nobody cant be stopped. But the qb puts up 34 points a game but the defense gives up 44 thats the qb fault to huh? When has an entire defense ever gotten hurt in 1 yr???? What I am saying is that the "magic" you speak of that Vick supposedly has is a myth, its the same factual argument many others have made, his accuracy sucked, he was never a consistent winner, those two things have nothing to do with him being a scumbag where as my personal view on vick is subjective, the FACT that he never won consistently and has always had questionable accuracy, not to mention the diminished skills potential in terms of his scrambling ability are legitimate reasons to Not want Vick in town as our Qb. Now is marketability was, as you so aptly pointed out, his biggest strength, however, you may be hard pressed to find 1/10th the amount of people (outside of buffalo) willing to buy his jersey post-conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 ok here dumb a*s ill do this one time and one time only... FACT: He was the only qb to beat farve in lambeau in the playoffs under 20 degrees FACT: He went to pro bowls FACT: He took them to the NFC championchip game FACT: He had shi*ty receivers FACT: He had the highest selling jersey 2 years in a row (marketing) FACT: His highlights were always the best FACT: He has a strong arm and qb rushing records Now to crush your statements... Marino went to 1 superbowl his whole life didn't win, but he still a hall of famer. Kelly went to 4 and didnt win any but he still a hall of famer. Point being those two went yea BUT DIDN'T WIN. So your ok with going to the superbowl and not winning? Trent dilfer went to the superbowl because of his defense not cuz he was a good qb same with brad johnson. So u say he never took the falcons to the Superbowl to say what exactly... Just because you have back to back winning seasons that makes you a good QB. So what if your whole defense gets injured and nobody cant be stopped. But the qb puts up 34 points a game but the defense gives up 44 thats the qb fault to huh? thats food for thought you do the dishes... You are the weakest link GOOD BYE... ROFL, this is the best joke post I've seen on these boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 ROFL, this is the best joke post I've seen on these boards. I wonder if he will be traded with marshawn??? one can only hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockport Bills Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 I wonder if he will be traded with marshawn??? one can only hope I think he is Marshawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Hope you're right about that. I don't want that POS dog killer on the Bills. Here we go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 It's "idiot's delight" at its best. Hence, the dozens of new threads daily on TSW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 ok here dumb a*s ill do this one time and one time only... FACT: He was the only qb to beat farve in lambeau in the playoffs under 20 degrees Favre was getting old FACT: He went to pro bowls So did B word-Mode Marshawn Lynch FACT: He took them to the NFC championchip game That's a fair statement, but defenses eventially learned how to sit on the run and make him beat them through the air, it didn't work out too well for him FACT: He had shi*ty receivers They might not have seemed so bad if he could deliver the ball. He's got a rocket arm but has no accuracy. Even with garbage receivers a good QB will make plays. How many guys has Brett Favre made look good (Bill Schroder comes to mind). FACT: He had the highest selling jersey 2 years in a row (marketing) How many games will that win for you? FACT: His highlights were always the best That's true FACT: He has a strong arm and qb rushing records Now to crush your statements... Marino went to 1 superbowl his whole life didn't win, but he still a hall of famer. Kelly went to 4 and didnt win any but he still a hall of famer. Point being those two went yea BUT DIDN'T WIN. So your ok with going to the superbowl and not winning? Trent dilfer went to the superbowl because of his defense not cuz he was a good qb same with brad johnson. So u say he never took the falcons to the Superbowl to say what exactly... Trent Dilfer's the man Just because you have back to back winning seasons that makes you a good QB. So what if your whole defense gets injured and nobody cant be stopped. But the qb puts up 34 points a game but the defense gives up 44 thats the qb fault to huh? It's not the QBs fault when the opposing offense puts up a lot of points. It is the QBs fault when his errant passes consistently miss the mark thats food for thought you do the dishes... You are the weakest link GOOD BYE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 ok here dumb a*s ill do this one time and one time only... FACT: He was the only qb to beat farve in lambeau in the playoffs under 20 degrees FACT: He went to pro bowls FACT: He took them to the NFC championchip game FACT: He had shi*ty receivers FACT: He had the highest selling jersey 2 years in a row (marketing) FACT: His highlights were always the best FACT: He has a strong arm and qb rushing records Now to crush your statements... Marino went to 1 superbowl his whole life didn't win, but he still a hall of famer. Kelly went to 4 and didnt win any but he still a hall of famer. Point being those two went yea BUT DIDN'T WIN. So your ok with going to the superbowl and not winning? Trent dilfer went to the superbowl because of his defense not cuz he was a good qb same with brad johnson. So u say he never took the falcons to the Superbowl to say what exactly... Just because you have back to back winning seasons that makes you a good QB. So what if your whole defense gets injured and nobody cant be stopped. But the qb puts up 34 points a game but the defense gives up 44 thats the qb fault to huh? thats food for thought you do the dishes... You are the weakest link GOOD BYE... Bravo that was great.........These funny fans would rather take a chance and Waste a draft pick on clausen, tebow (delivery that had to be changed a month before draft who was terrible on his wonderlick and has to be worked with for years because he isnt ready) or weak arm brittle colt mccoy from Texas( you might as well keep T.E.) or Jason Campell (who put fear in no one) enough said. This draft focus on Defense / O.line to make it dominant get Vick cheap which will put fear in the AFC east and if he dont work out at least one side of the Ball will be fortified. Next year QB draft class would have Bradford the 3rd best QB. So if we need a QB get it next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Bravo that was great.........These funny fans would rather take a chance and Waste a draft pick on clausen, tebow (delivery that had to be changed a month before draft who was terrible on his wonderlick and has to be worked with for years because he isnt ready) or weak arm brittle colt mccoy from Texas( you might as well keep T.E.) or Jason Campell (who put fear in no one) enough said. This draft focus on Defense / O.line to make it dominant get Vick cheap which will put fear in the AFC east and if he dont work out at least one side of the Ball will be fortified. Next year QB draft class would have Bradford the 3rd best QB. So if we need a QB get it next year. You didn't watch much of Colt's career, did you? For all of his faults, he's not injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 I think he is Marshawn... I am coming to a similar guess myself. That sucks in a whole lot of ways as it demonstrates: Colleges just let football players pass classes (read his posts, close to being functionally illiterate) Marshawn is racist in addition to being very similar to a common thug He cannot evaluate players (can't grasp that Vick wasn't very good), so his commitment to the NFL seems tenuous at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 When has an entire defense ever gotten hurt in 1 yr????What I am saying is that the "magic" you speak of that Vick supposedly has is a myth, its the same factual argument many others have made, his accuracy sucked, he was never a consistent winner, those two things have nothing to do with him being a scumbag where as my personal view on vick is subjective, the FACT that he never won consistently and has always had questionable accuracy, not to mention the diminished skills potential in terms of his scrambling ability are legitimate reasons to Not want Vick in town as our Qb. really what has tebow ( no accuracy) , clausen (J.P. Losman demeanor) , campbell (won as much as TE), Bulger really Bulger. Fact is no QB that we are about to attain has won based on your definition. Fact is Vick Right Now put more fear in defenses than any one of your wishes x10. Now is marketability was, as you so aptly pointed out, his biggest strength, however, you may be hard pressed to find 1/10th the amount of people (outside of buffalo) willing to buy his jersey post-conviction. Vick jersey will sell off the shelves once he starts. He will do the things that our other choices will never be able to do n their dreams . Do you think Kordell Stewart was a better passer than Vick or better Passer. No he isnt but he was still feared. That is what Chan Gailey wants in a QB. He wants a QB that will put the fear in the Defenses. How do you think Opposing Defenses' is going to Rush us with Vick back there compared to any of your choices ? . They dont want to be Vicks highlight reel meaning they will be passive compared to any one you think should go back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 You didn't watch much of Colt's career, did you? For all of his faults, he's not injury prone. Of course I watch Texas play , with all that talent he havent won crap and him trying to throw in the NORTH EAST , Buffalo weather Winter you can forget about it . Texas players are generally mentally weak except maybe ORAKPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Vick would be an upgrade over what we have. Say what you will about dog killer and all of that. I understand the issues with him as a person. But there is no doubt in my mind that he would be an upgrade over what we have. So, take a criminal for a marginal improvement at QB? I mean c'mon if he was a great QB, I can almost see it. Sell your pride, integrity, and humanity for a SB win...I can almost see that. But he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaquin1119 Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 ok here dumb a*s ill do this one time and one time only... FACT: He was the only qb to beat farve in lambeau in the playoffs under 20 degrees FACT: He went to pro bowls FACT: He took them to the NFC championchip game FACT: He had shi*ty receivers FACT: He had the highest selling jersey 2 years in a row (marketing) FACT: His highlights were always the best FACT: He has a strong arm and qb rushing records Now to crush your statements... Marino went to 1 superbowl his whole life didn't win, but he still a hall of famer. Kelly went to 4 and didnt win any but he still a hall of famer. Point being those two went yea BUT DIDN'T WIN. So your ok with going to the superbowl and not winning? Trent dilfer went to the superbowl because of his defense not cuz he was a good qb same with brad johnson. So u say he never took the falcons to the Superbowl to say what exactly... Just because you have back to back winning seasons that makes you a good QB. So what if your whole defense gets injured and nobody cant be stopped. But the qb puts up 34 points a game but the defense gives up 44 thats the qb fault to huh? thats food for thought you do the dishes... You are the weakest link GOOD BYE... here another FACT: Rob Johnson went to TB as a back up and won a superbowl (even tho he didnt play LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Vick might be the most improvement for the buck this team could make this offseason. By draft day he might be had for a mid or late round pick or a player. I must admit, I am kind of intrigued by the possibility of a run oriented spread offense. Early adopters to new strategy tend to see the most benefit and I think our opponents in the AFC East are built defensively to stop the pass so it would give us a chance to sneak up on them. Don't bother convincing me about what an evil human being he is, I root for the laundry. He did the crime, did his time and I eat the flesh of mistreated/tortured animals on a daily basis so I don't feel I have the right to exclude him from society. It would also be nice to add Gaither. I don't know if I would part with our second for Gaither, he is a free agent and the cost to re-sign him offsets some of his value. But maybe a pick acquired in trade, or a player and a later pick, or a conditional pick in next years' draft. I have a suspicion on draft day that teams are going to want to hold onto their picks rather than trade for a free agent to be. It would be heartening to see the Bills be aggressive and for a change be the team that is getting VALUE on draft day and thru trades. And I'm not talking about trading a third rounder and a second rounder to reach up for a need at the end of round 1. Last year at this time I felt that the Jets were about as bad as the Bills. No QB. No playmakers on the outside. Marginal defensive talent(which Ryan molded into an outstanding Raven-style 3-4 unit). But on draft day they got creative. Got their QB of the present and a workhorse RB and those two pieces totally changed the dynamic of their team. The one thing they really had going for them at the end of 2008 was their OL, which they had great investment of draft picks and dollars in. The Bills don't have that OL in place, but IMO, they have an opportunity to put a winning team on the field next year and long term if they win on draft day. Trade out of that ninth pick. Get more talent. Avoid that big rookie payout and the potential for a Maybin-esque holdout turning your top draft picks' season into a complete washout again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Vick is just not the direction the Bills need to go... and as someone already said: if the Bills wanted him, they would have him already. Not to mention the Eagles paid him his bonus and probably need Vick themselves. The Bills have to be looking at a 3 year plan at this point. Vick's skill set always erodes from this age forward... not to mention his skill set does not benefit from that much time in lock-up. I think the world of McNabb too, but I didnt want the Bills to wast picks on him for pretty much the same reasons. By the time the Bills can build a good core, especially in the trenches, McNabb will be over the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 here another FACT: Rob Johnson went to TB as a back up and won a superbowl (even tho he didnt play LOL) Johnson didn't play in the SB but he played some meaningful games during the season for Tampa when Brad Johnson was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 ok here dumb a*s ill do this one time and one time only... FACT: He was the only qb to beat farve in lambeau in the playoffs under 20 degrees FACT: He went to pro bowls FACT: He took them to the NFC championchip game FACT: He had shi*ty receivers FACT: He had the highest selling jersey 2 years in a row (marketing) FACT: His highlights were always the best FACT: He has a strong arm and qb rushing records Now to crush your statements... Marino went to 1 superbowl his whole life didn't win, but he still a hall of famer. Kelly went to 4 and didnt win any but he still a hall of famer. Point being those two went yea BUT DIDN'T WIN. So your ok with going to the superbowl and not winning? Trent dilfer went to the superbowl because of his defense not cuz he was a good qb same with brad johnson. So u say he never took the falcons to the Superbowl to say what exactly... Just because you have back to back winning seasons that makes you a good QB. So what if your whole defense gets injured and nobody cant be stopped. But the qb puts up 34 points a game but the defense gives up 44 thats the qb fault to huh? thats food for thought you do the dishes... You are the weakest link GOOD BYE... FACT: Vick looks like a washed-up, third string quarterback, at best. OPEN your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Hope you're right about that. I don't want that POS dog killer on the Bills. Agreed. I would not want him to so much as get near the gate let alone be admitted to the stadium. Question: if the article is not speculation and in some sort of dream world is based in fact: if Andy Reid does not think Vick capable, why would we want him? What, Reid is not as good a judge of talent? We want other peoples garbage? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic_soulja Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Really...When Vick beat Favre in Lambeau he was getting old? hehehehe...that's funny...he was a game away from the SB this past season...something tells me he still "got it" heheheh Trent Dilfer is tha man though...hehehehehehehhehehehehehhehhe... Vick needs to get to Buffalo and do what Kordell Steward wasn't good enough to do...run Chan Gailey's offense all the way to the SB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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