Guest dog14787 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Here's how rumors get started. No Estate/Inheritance Tax in 2010. Ralph can give the Bills to his family and they will not have to pay all the taxes. Rumor has it that on January 15th, RW was going announce that he was stepping down as the owner. His family would retain 51% of the Bills and the other 49% would go to Jim Kelly , Thurman Thomas and their group and the new Bills Team President/Head Coach Bill Cowher who gets 5%. They were waiting until the 15th because of the tax laws not taking effect until that day. See, that is a great rumor. Some things are true, some others are plausible. No tax is true. Ralph could really do that if he wanted. Kelly supposedly has a group together. Thurman alluded to the 15th. Plus, really, who wouldn't want that to happen? Don't hold your breath until the 15th. I like them kind of Rumors, especially the Bill Cowher part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 The Cowher thing may well be over, but I thought what Ralph was really doing in his interview with you was trying to get everyone to just settle in for the long haul. Just curious, when you land an interview like that in an environment like this, do you go into it assuming that the interviewee has a specific agenda in even granting the interview? If so, what do you think Ralph's agenda was? Again my assumption is that Ralph was trying to let everyone know he'd made an offer but now things will take awhile. Did you gather something similar? there are many who have agendas, though i don't know if Mr. Wilson is one, though i'm sure he was expecting questions about the coaching search and Cowher, when he returned my call. as has been the case before, Mr. Wilson is willing to answer questions as best as he can (so long as they don't deal with contracts). and by as best, i mean, by him providing the most information he can to sensitive issues, such as coaching searches, Jauron's status in Dec. 2008, when i got him, Toronto. he's in a unique position, as owner, to be able to speak his mind without agenda. and he's the one Russ Brandon usually refers to as the person i need to talk to about issues regarding the bills. Mr. Wilson runs the show. With all due respect jw and I realize you are relaying RW's comments, but if the Buffalo Bills don't need a so called splashy name, what do we need and why did RW go after the top two splashy names available. The Bills have been experimenting with unproven and unsplashy names for way to long. How about hiring someone with experience and a winning track record in the NFL. The comments by Ralph Wilson also seem counter productive in my opinion If the Bills are still actively in pursuit of Bill Cowher. they're not counterproductive if Bill Cowher has snubbed the bills or ruled them out. they went after the splashy names because that was Mr. Wilson's initial intention. thing is, it takes two to tango. shanahan went to Washington, and who knows where Cowher will end up. unlikely here. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfw1234 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 there are many who have agendas, though i don't know if Mr. Wilson is one, though i'm sure he was expecting questions about the coaching search and Cowher, when he returned my call. as has been the case before, Mr. Wilson is willing to answer questions as best as he can (so long as they don't deal with contracts). and by as best, i mean, by him providing the most information he can to sensitive issues, such as coaching searches, Jauron's status in Dec. 2008, when i got him, Toronto.he's in a unique position, as owner, to be able to speak his mind without agenda. and he's the one Russ Brandon usually refers to as the person i need to talk to about issues regarding the bills. Mr. Wilson runs the show. they're not counterproductive if Bill Cowher has snubbed the bills or ruled them out. they went after the splashy names because that was Mr. Wilson's initial intention. thing is, it takes two to tango. shanahan went to Washington, and who knows where Cowher will end up. unlikely here. jw John, again - many thanks for the contribution; very much appreciate the insight. Just wondering why no one in the media has followed up on Mr. Wilson's suggestion and asked Bill Cowher if he is interested in coaching the Bills? CBS did a deplorable job analyzing the Bills search by omitting your RW/BC scoop from the analysis. Surely, he could end all the speculation (hysteria - see billboard) enveloping Bills Nation in the same manner Shanahan did. A prolonged Cowher vigil is not healthy for long-suffering Bills fans; but for that matter, neither is hiring another Tampa 2, unproven as a HC guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Here's how rumors get started. No Estate/Inheritance Tax in 2010. Ralph can give the Bills to his family and they will not have to pay all the taxes. Rumor has it that on January 15th, RW was going announce that he was stepping down as the owner. His family would retain 51% of the Bills and the other 49% would go to Jim Kelly , Thurman Thomas and their group and the new Bills Team President/Head Coach Bill Cowher who gets 5%. They were waiting until the 15th because of the tax laws not taking effect until that day. See, that is a great rumor. Some things are true, some others are plausible. No tax is true. Ralph could really do that if he wanted. Kelly supposedly has a group together. Thurman alluded to the 15th. Plus, really, who wouldn't want that to happen? Don't hold your breath until the 15th. Not possible. Estate tax deals with passing a decedent;s property etc AFTER they are DEAD. No estate tax doesnt mean you can transfer property without tax while you are alive. So unless the tax law is amended accordingly that plan is DOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfw1234 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Not possible. Estate tax deals with passing a decedent;s property etc AFTER they are DEAD. No estate tax doesnt mean you can transfer property without tax while you are alive. So unless the tax law is amended accordingly that plan is DOA. K-Gun is correct re tax law. the estate tax is sometimes referred to as the "death tax" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Not possible. Estate tax deals with passing a decedent;s property etc AFTER they are DEAD. No estate tax doesnt mean you can transfer property without tax while you are alive. So unless the tax law is amended accordingly that plan is DOA. Maybe RW is going to announce that he is going to be euthanized this year so he can transfer ownership with no tax. Nobody would question his loyalty to the Buffalo area any longer after that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 John,again - many thanks for the contribution; very much appreciate the insight. Just wondering why no one in the media has followed up on Mr. Wilson's suggestion and asked Bill Cowher if he is interested in coaching the Bills? CBS did a deplorable job analyzing the Bills search by omitting your RW/BC scoop from the analysis. Surely, he could end all the speculation (hysteria - see billboard) enveloping Bills Nation in the same manner Shanahan did. A prolonged Cowher vigil is not healthy for long-suffering Bills fans; but for that matter, neither is hiring another Tampa 2, unproven as a HC guy. dunno. my guess, question asked the previous week, and answered: Cowher saying he's not going to discuss search. it does put CBS in awkward position. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 there are many who have agendas, though i don't know if Mr. Wilson is one, though i'm sure he was expecting questions about the coaching search and Cowher, when he returned my call. as has been the case before, Mr. Wilson is willing to answer questions as best as he can (so long as they don't deal with contracts). and by as best, i mean, by him providing the most information he can to sensitive issues, such as coaching searches, Jauron's status in Dec. 2008, when i got him, Toronto.he's in a unique position, as owner, to be able to speak his mind without agenda. and he's the one Russ Brandon usually refers to as the person i need to talk to about issues regarding the bills. Mr. Wilson runs the show. they're not counterproductive if Bill Cowher has snubbed the bills or ruled them out. they went after the splashy names because that was Mr. Wilson's initial intention. thing is, it takes two to tango. shanahan went to Washington, and who knows where Cowher will end up. unlikely here. jw Worse words have never been typed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 they're not counterproductive if Bill Cowher has snubbed the bills or ruled them out.they went after the splashy names because that was Mr. Wilson's initial intention. thing is, it takes two to tango. shanahan went to Washington, and who knows where Cowher will end up. unlikely here. jw Gruden stayed at ESPN and broadcasting because he loves that job atm. Shanahan was being courted by Daniel Snyder all season long, reportedly he was asked on several occasions to replace Zorn. So most of us kinda knew where he was going to land. Lots on this board believe he was offered this huge sum of money to lure him here. There were reports of ten million dollars a year thrown at Cowher. When Adam Schefter states that he has a better chance of becoming the Bills next head then Cowher does, powerful statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfw1234 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 dunno. my guess, question asked the previous week, and answered: Cowher saying he's not going to discuss search.it does put CBS in awkward position. jw Thanks John for the response. CBS's blatant ommission of the 500 pound gorrilla in the room from the Bills HC discussion leads me to suspect that Cohwer is angling for something....and CBS is abetting these behind the scenes machinations... I just wish it would end already and with Cohwer in Buffalo, of course! -thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 there are many who have agendas, though i don't know if Mr. Wilson is one, though i'm sure he was expecting questions about the coaching search and Cowher, when he returned my call. as has been the case before, Mr. Wilson is willing to answer questions as best as he can (so long as they don't deal with contracts). and by as best, i mean, by him providing the most information he can to sensitive issues, such as coaching searches, Jauron's status in Dec. 2008, when i got him, Toronto.he's in a unique position, as owner, to be able to speak his mind without agenda. and he's the one Russ Brandon usually refers to as the person i need to talk to about issues regarding the bills. Mr. Wilson runs the show. they're not counterproductive if Bill Cowher has snubbed the bills or ruled them out. they went after the splashy names because that was Mr. Wilson's initial intention. thing is, it takes two to tango. shanahan went to Washington, and who knows where Cowher will end up. unlikely here. jw No question that this is Mr. Wilson's show. There is little doubt who has his ear either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Maybe RW is going to announce that he is going to be euthanized this year so he can transfer ownership with no tax. Nobody would question his loyalty to the Buffalo area any longer after that! With this crowd, ANYTHING short of that leaves his loyalty open to question. If Ralph's heirs continue to not want a part of this team, who could blame them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 there are many who have agendas, though i don't know if Mr. Wilson is one, though i'm sure he was expecting questions about the coaching search and Cowher, when he returned my call. as has been the case before, Mr. Wilson is willing to answer questions as best as he can (so long as they don't deal with contracts). and by as best, i mean, by him providing the most information he can to sensitive issues, such as coaching searches, Jauron's status in Dec. 2008, when i got him, Toronto.he's in a unique position, as owner, to be able to speak his mind without agenda. and he's the one Russ Brandon usually refers to as the person i need to talk to about issues regarding the bills. Mr. Wilson runs the show. they're not counterproductive if Bill Cowher has snubbed the bills or ruled them out. they went after the splashy names because that was Mr. Wilson's initial intention. thing is, it takes two to tango. shanahan went to Washington, and who knows where Cowher will end up. unlikely here. jw I disagree jw, in negotiations one should keep his personal feelings to himself even if RW was snubbed. If it was a high stakes poker game and it kind of is RW tipped his hand in my opinion and advertising you are willing to pay 10 million a year plus a piece of the pie is like going all in without seeing the cards you have been dealt first. The one main person I wanted out of Buffalo and seems like Russ Brandon always comes up smelling like a rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfw1234 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 FWIW, Pat Moran tweeted that Cowher has not discussed coaching search w/ anyone - including but not limited to CBS, friends. JK - make that call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I disagree, in negotiations one should keep his personal feelings to himself even if RW was snubbed. If it was a high stakes poker game and it kind of is RW tipped his hand in my opinion and advertising you are willing to pay 10 million a year plus a piece of the pie is like going all in without seeing the cards you have been dealt first. The one main person I wanted out of Buffalo and seems like Russ Brandon always comes up smelling like a rose. Mr. Wilson never said $10 million. that number was put out by Shefter during the Shanahan discussions. was that what the Bills were offering, or a number that Shanahan wanted. might never know. i don't foresee anyone getting a share of the franchise, or even offered one, as that topic was broached earlier. also note, Mr. Wilson said he wanted someone who wanted to come to Buffalo. i think that was in reference to both Shanahan and Cowher. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Mr. Wilson never said $10 million. that number was put out by Shefter during the Shanahan discussions.was that what the Bills were offering, or a number that Shanahan wanted. might never know. i don't foresee anyone getting a share of the franchise, or even offered one, as that topic was broached earlier. also note, Mr. Wilson said he wanted someone who wanted to come to Buffalo. i think that was in reference to both Shanahan and Cowher. jw So you are saying Shefter came up with the number out of the blue, seems odd considering Adam Shefter is one of the more credible people in all of sports. Rather than let everyone know you have been shunned by Cowher, wouldn't it be better to keep silent and allow other possible candidates to go on thinking, well, if Cowher is considering this, then maybe I should also. thanks for responding jw, don't mean to give you a hard time when you are just reporting the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsRUs Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 bUT wILLIS said there's no pace to eat in Buffalo. Try TGIF. I hear certain Bills love the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsRUs Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 (bfw1234 @ Jan 12 2010, 08:48 AM) *John, again - many thanks for the contribution; very much appreciate the insight. Just wondering why no one in the media has followed up on Mr. Wilson's suggestion and asked Bill Cowher if he is interested in coaching the Bills? CBS did a deplorable job analyzing the Bills search by omitting your RW/BC scoop from the analysis. Surely, he could end all the speculation (hysteria - see billboard) enveloping Bills Nation in the same manner Shanahan did. A prolonged Cowher vigil is not healthy for long-suffering Bills fans; but for that matter, neither is hiring another Tampa 2, unproven as a HC guy. Quick follow up question John. Has anyone asked Cowher about the sign and what he thinks about it? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Quick follow up question John. Has anyone asked Cowher about the sign and what he thinks about it? thanks! if anyone manages to interview Cowher in the next few weeks, i don't think asking about the billboard is going to be near the top of the list of questions asked. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Thanks John for the response. CBS's blatant ommission of the 500 pound gorrilla in the room from the Bills HC discussion leads me to suspect that Cohwer is angling for something....and CBS is abetting these behind the scenes machinations... I just wish it would end already and with Cohwer in Buffalo, of course! -thanks 500 pound gorilla??? The "scoop" on RW re: CW was..."go ask Bill Cowher". What's left to talk about? Regarding the estate tax, the spouse beneficiary is not taxed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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