bills_fan Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Thurman and Jim were both great players. But I've heard way too many first hand accounts of poor behavior to believe that they are good people. Imagine you are 25-29 years old, have millions of dollars, the adoration of millions of people and every good looking girl in sight throwing themselves at you. You going to be the same down to earth guy you always were? I can't imagine its easy. And you have "heard way too many first hand accounts," is shaky at best in which to base an opinion. First hand experience (not accounts) that you have had with them is the better way to form an opinion. I'd also venture to say first hand experience while sober is even better. I've had that experience and they are both good guys (as are Talley and Bruce). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kds2931 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Thurman Thomas has got all my respect I grew up watching him storm through the end zone along with Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, James Lofton. The good old days! Check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Imagine you are 25-29 years old, have millions of dollars, the adoration of millions of people and every good looking girl in sight throwing themselves at you. You going to be the same down to earth guy you always were? I can't imagine its easy. I don't see how having any amount of money or fame excuses a person from behaving decently. And you have "heard way too many first hand accounts," is shaky at best in which to base an opinion. First hand experience (not accounts) that you have had with them is the better way to form an opinion. I'd also venture to say first hand experience while sober is even better. Thanks, but I don't need your guidance on how to form my opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJsackedagain Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 My sources tell me it was Fitzpatrick and Posluszny who upset Jimbo and Thurman by using big words. Thurman apparently didn't have his dictionary handy to look them up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninFl Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 FWIW, Thurman's wife tweeted this during the game: "Hmm my baby and Jim got dissed in the locker room, wonder by who " So I guess Jimbo was there as well. I love a good mystery, but is this really important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 FWIW, TT's wife tweeted on Monday that one of the two players was on the radio while she was driving the son to school. So, which current Bill was on the radio early Monday morning...inquiring minds need to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks, but I don't need your guidance on how to form my opinions. OK, you believe quasi-sober "accounts," I'll believe my own eyes and ears who have interacted with them on multiple occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 OK, you believe quasi-sober "accounts," I'll believe my own eyes and ears who have interacted with them on multiple occasions. You can assume what you want about my sources, and I'll assume that it's safe to put you on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Imagine you are 25-29 years old, have millions of dollars, the adoration of millions of people and every good looking girl in sight throwing themselves at you. This very accurately describes my situation in the age range you mention ..... at least in my dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Imagine you are 25-29 years old, have millions of dollars, the adoration of millions of people and every good looking girl in sight throwing themselves at you. I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Knowing the Caveman, and knowing who his likely sources are (we both go back to the 80s/90s home of training camp), I'd say put stock in what he says. These guys might be changed men, but they knew how to party, and how to get away with a lot. This should surprise no one who followed the team or football in general back in the day. For every person who gets caught (Bruce Smith~ cocaine + more than one DUI) there are going to be some who don't. Here's hoping, as many claim, that they are changed men. If not, it doesn't damage what they did on the football field. It just means they're not role models, and any parent worth his or her salt knows that athletes probably shouldn't be role models unless they've earned that status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 How is it that people think Thurman is a bad person all of a sudden? He has spoken openly about his being an alcoholic and overcoming that. He doesn't even go out with Kelly or any of the guys that are still in Buffalo because he doesn't want to be near alcohol. I listened to him at a speach he did at Suny Brockport. Seems like a pretty good guy to me. The general consensus in 1994 in Billsland was that Thurman thomas was a pr*ck. I remember those days well. It stemmed from his surliness towards the local media, his apparent refusal to sign autographs for kids and the like, and -- probably most importantly -- a decline in his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Thurman and Jim were both great players. But I've heard way too many first hand accounts of poor behavior to believe that they are good people. I've had a few personal interactions with Kelly, enough to suggest that there's a substantial difference between the 25-year old Jim Kelly I met (who was a serious !@#$), and the 40-year old Jim Kelly I met (who was genuinely, almost surprisingly, friendly.) Can't speak for Thurman...but I've heard the same. Growing up, getting married, having kids, beating alcoholism, having your son die of a congenital disease...things like that can tend to mellow someone from the brash 25-year old they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I've had a few personal interactions with Kelly, enough to suggest that there's a substantial difference between the 25-year old Jim Kelly I met (who was a serious !@#$), and the 40-year old Jim Kelly I met (who was genuinely, almost surprisingly, friendly.) Can't speak for Thurman...but I've heard the same. Growing up, getting married, having kids, beating alcoholism, having your son die of a congenital disease...things like that can tend to mellow someone from the brash 25-year old they were. The life of a celebrity has its down side, how in the hell can Tiger Woods ever hope to save his marriage with his phone message being broadcasted about every 60 seconds somewhere in the US, good grief, give the couple a break, If not for Tiger Woods Sake, for his wife's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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