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It's a preposterous proposal. We keep all of the land. You don't join NATO. Kind of like the Third Reich proposing to the Allies that they will agree to a ceasefire on June 10 1944 if the Allies cede all lands gained to them to date, and refuse to engage in further alliances that make them one unified force. Sure.

Not totally but it absolutely has everything to do with the EU. Let's simplify what's going on. All this focus on NATO is legitimate but the real issue is the closer ties to the EU. The globalist influences in Ukraine want it to be fully part of the EU. It did Economically in 2014. CCP DNC style socialists. The other half of Ukraine want no part of the EU. Trump style Nationalists. I can't put numbers on each side but a pro Russian president was elected in 2010 and removed by EU/CCP/DNC forces in 2014. The left as you know has been in freak out mode since Brexit and Trump.....this is all exactly like those dynamics only Russia is going to use its military to support. They figured out long ago the West was losing to the CCP - and Obama's election was proof. And Obama followed up Putin's actions by doing nothing. Hash tag diplomacy. Knowing what I know about the globalist scum behing the EU and the Democrats here in the U.S. and everything we've learned post Covid, not sure I'm all that angry at Putin. Who absolutely is trying to benefit politically and to increase Russia's power and influence overall. I'll ask.....influence against who? The world has totally flipped upside down. The DNC here and the trash we're trying to remove from the GOP are Chinese puppets. Justin Trudeau has shown you in just the last 7 days how they've all abandoned Western principles in exchange for CCP style Socialism.

HA! This has nothing to do with NATO - and so naive to think “No NATO for Ukraine” will appease Putin. Has Putin stopped undermining the United States?

You're the one crying about protecting Democracies. You want bloodshed when a simple "No NATO for Ukraine" will suffice? Just so Putin won't tell us what to do? Yet you didn't have a problem with Putin telling Joey what to do about Nord Stream 2. So which is it?

No….Biden should LEAD FROM IN FRONT!!! We hold the purse strings in NATO. Just make a phone call and tell Ukraine you’re not joining the club. Call it the ‘perfect phone call’ and let’s get back to the business of fundamentally transforming America dammit!

So then why the refusal by Joey to say "we will not admit Ukraine into NATO" and defuse the situation?

Putin does not want NATO on his border if Ukraine becomes a member. If Russia takes Ukraine the countries next to it are already in NATO. Just leave Ukraine and Belarus neutral and we are not on a hair trigger .

We helped overthrow the Ukrainian pro-Russia government. We pushed Ukraine to align with the West without ever really having an intention to integrate them into NATO. We funded, and Canada trained, neo-Nazi militias in the south and east of Ukraine to battle Russian separatists. Adam Schiff stated “We arm Ukraine to fight Russia over there so we don’t have to fight them over here” Lindsey Graham, Amy Klobuchar and John McCain went over there in 2016 promising 2017 to be a year of aggression towards Russia, but then Trump got elected and it never materialized. Yes, we got them to give up nukes. We’ve basically used them as a proxy for the West to stage aggression towards Russia. They’ve been a corrupt government that we’ve been able to buy a lot of influence in, and line the pockets of the sons of politicians. Nothing excuses Putin’s full scale invasion and brutality, but we led Ukraine down this road.

Rubio: ‘Putin’s Not the Same Guy He Was Five Years Ago’; ‘Would Rather Have WWIII than Be Humiliated’ by the West Friday on “The Hugh Hewitt Show,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s risk calculus has changed over the years. Rubio asserted that “Putin’s not the same guy he was five years ago” and “would rather have World War III than be humiliated” by the West.” He added that Putin, now willing to take more risks, “poses real dangers.” “[I] can tell you that there is great danger for two reasons,” Rubio outlined. “The first is you now have a, you know, 70% of the Russian military power is active and engaged and deployed very close to NATO forces. So, the risk of miscalculation or, you know, a lot of the, for example, these countries are now providing planes to Ukraine. So, it would not take much for a Russian anti-air element to confuse a Romanian jet or a Polish jet with maybe one from Ukraine and shoot it down. And suddenly, you’ve got a conflict.” https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/03/04/rubio-putins-not-the-same-guy-he-was-five-years-ago-would-rather-have-wwiii-than-be-humiliated-by-the-west/ Woke cancel culture and probably covid has emboldened him. That and the West's dependency on his oil and gas. We have no clue what we're doing.

NATO chief: We talked it over and we've ruled out a no-fly zone over Ukraine https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/04/nato-chief-we-talked-it-over-and-weve-ruled-out-a-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-n452969

It would be something if western or Nato trainers at that training facility.

What bothers sensible people is we've spent $200 billion and cost the lives of about 500K Ukrainian soldiers, witnessed the country's infrastructure become obliterated, and numb nut leaders in the EU are pushing escalating the fighting which will lead to more deaths. And those 40 million people? Most could care less whether the ethic Russian majority in Donbas are under Ukraine, Russia, or governed by some independent territory. The latest the geniuses are coming up with is allowing Ukraine to use "long range" missiles that can only be targeted through the use of US or NATO satellite systems which effectively means our military personnel are performing the targeting work and therefore we're at war with Russia. The only Ukrainian involved is the guy pushing the button. And please for the love of God please don't say I'm appeasing Putin. The risk of blowing up the world in some nuclear WW3 scenario is a cost too great and a risk best avoided. Other than having a desire for suicide, I'm not sure why anyone is so all-in on this idea. Because it won't be just me, you'll be dead too. I've opposed this entire operation since the beginning and you've been waving your pompoms and all you've got to show for it is a big 200 billion dollar bill, lots of dead people, lost territory, and pretty much a no-win situation unless NATO gets directly involved. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Interesting article on drones in the war https://www.yahoo.com/news/robot-wars-ukraine-puts-faith-184759449.html No doubt, murderous Putin's best hope in Ukraine is getting the scum bug Trump elected Donald Trump risks being a “loser president” if he wins November’s election and imposes a bad peace deal on Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskiy has said, saying it would mean the end of the US as a global “player”. In an interview with the Guardian in Kyiv, Zelenskiy said he had “no strategy yet” for what to do if Trump returned to the White House, and that the former British prime minister Boris Johnson had approached him on his behalf. If Trump beats Joe Biden, he is widely expected to cut off US military support to Ukraine. Last year Trump boasted he could end the war in “24 hours”. Trump’s aides have previously sketched out a possible plan that would involve giving Ukraine’s eastern regions to Russia, as well as Crimea. But Zelenskiy made clear that “Ukrainians would not put up with that”. Nor would they accept a Russian “ultimatum” that forced Ukraine to abandon integration with Europe and future membership of Nato, he said .https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/02/zelenskiy-trump-risks-being-loser-president-if-he-imposes-bad-deal-on-ukraine

This would be a blow to Russia, especially if Armenia decides to put in for NATO

I have no special knowledge of Putin’s goals, just what is publicly available. Which includes invading NATO countries because he believes most Americans are like you and will fold, allowing him to take what he can without existential repercussions.

And you know better than anyone that Putin will invade a NATO country? Looks like I'm not the only one who should sign up for the CIA...

I continue to stress the problem faced by Ukraine is a lack of troops for combat operations as a result of multiples of dead and wounded greater than the official government numbers report. You can't set up defensive lines and fall-back positions if you barely have enough soldiers to man the front lines. And going on the offensive would be next to impossible. No amount of weapons or money is going to solve the manpower problem. They need more soldiers, plain and simple. The cheerleaders can wave their pom-poms all they want but its becoming clear there's a need to negotiate or face defeat. The remaining option would be to directly intervene with US and/or NATO country combat forces. Something that would be immensely unpopular. Its certain the domestic propaganda machine will keep drilling the public with the "domino theory" narrative. My expectation is Washington would demand some European nation(s) sends their soldiers into the meat grinder rather than face the ire of US voters in November.

Along this line, as an an unintended consequence of all of this, the exposure of the gross negligence of some of our NATO allies has ben exposed and hopefully will be dealt with. When this was exposed a number of years ago, it with viewed by the political opposition as insulting our other member nations. It was nothing of the sort. The situation was so bad, especially re Germany, that there was no way it could go on. Germany provided tanks at the onset of this, and not one was operationally capable. They had no airlift capability and a pathetic air force fighter readiness. No tanking capability and virtually no early warning or electronic warfare capability. Had NATO been challenged in any serious military way, the US would have borne the load in a grossly disproportionate way, resulting in far more deaths to US servicemen. The Brits do their best, France does a bit, but Germany and Italy were virtually worthless. Hopefully that changes.

"Complete rupture in US-Russia relations." Ya think Brandon. Love the "nice Junior bashing NATO" comments. He just posted their video.

I think you greatly overstate Putin's capability. I don't think there's a chance he invades a NATO country like Poland. The line will be drawn, and it would be Russian suicide to redo the Hitler thing.

Poland, at least part, was part of Soviet Union. They are strategic location and NATO supported. Ukraine is easy, no NATO, Georgia may be next, Gorbachev old home, then Poland. Putin has constant interaction with Poland, and like Hitler used, they are Russian people we must save. But like I said, where is the line, likely not much time. China and Taiwan will come forward soon, then Putin is embolden. A strategy will be hard. I really think trump hurt relationships, Obama's people were way to naive. Who is the next Nixon, or Reagan? Certainly the dems have no one.

You do know that the way of life in the US is wonderful right. Well, people in France, Italy, Britain, etc thing there way of life is equally wonderful. You laugh when their quality of life issues are different. They question why you spend so much time at work then die. Both sides are have their points. The real difference is that Europeans because of proximity see different cultures where the US population generally only know their own culture. When NATO started the US was a dominate force in Europe by design. They have a disproportionate share as a result but also to protect their own military secrets often not shared with NATO allies. Today maybe the US is unfairly carrying a burden, but history showed they wanted to, not forced to. Keeping the democracies of the world in an economic strong position was protection for the US. Isolation does not work. It us coming to another Democracy vs Communism battle. Round 1 went to US and allies. Round 2? Reagan had Communism on its knees, then US foreign policy failed. Clinton was a joke, more interested in being Epsteins pal. Obama wins a Peace prize for winning an election, 😆 Bush 1 understood, Bush thought he dud but was used by the military contractors. Anyway, Euros are good people, suffering from invasions from Africa, from liberal policies on immigration, from not trusting the US policies made worse by trump. We may all suffer the consequences

Just think of it this way. One of the primary purposes of NATO is to provide a buffer between the US and Russia so when the hostilities start and all those vacationers in France get blown off the face of the Earth you won't feel so bad anymore.

It's Russia's threat to invade if Ukraine joins NATO

Where is Biden leading? He threatens Russia with sanctions. Serious sanctions. Anyone think this threat is keeping the Kremlin leadership up at night? So what will Russia do? They will respond by harming our "allies" in Europe. So what's the incentive over time for western European countries to line up in support of the program when they're consistently being negatively impacted and being told to subjugate their national interests in order to support US policy objectives? Putin's end game here isn't to invade Ukraine. The country is a liability and not a prized asset. His immediate concern is keeping NATO forces off his border. Biden has stated he won't commit US forces to the defense of Ukraine. He's already tipped his hand. Putin's ultimate game is to drive a wedge between the US and Western European countries by creating a divergences of interests between the parties. And over time creating the environment where Europeans see their interests more closely aligned with Russia than the U.S. Which will result in driving the U.S. out of Europe and uniting Western Europe and Russia into an economic alliance. And in the process marginalizing U.S. interests and power. That's the objective. Its the same game he's playing in the Middle East with the Saudi's and Iranians. Isolate and marginalize U.S. interests around the globe without firing a shot.