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I agree, tis quite expensive. Just think, the Kelly Reebok "SAMPLE" jacket with real leather sleeves and 75% wool body, only cost me roughly 29 bucks on ebay four years ago. However, if the back of the coat- "Buffalo Bills" was somewhat smaller and was the real "Bills" name logo, I might be inclined to purchase. I bought some authentic jersey's over the past 20 years and now with the new "Oriental Authentic" jersey's i have saved a lot of money. I haven't purchased one from the Bills Store or NFL.com since '02. I bought an authentic 2004 Jim Kelly 75th Anniversary w/35th Bills aniversary patches, Rob Johnson, Eric Moulds, Nate Clements and Willis McGahee. With that money I could buy two of those jackets I linked to.

The buck stops at Ralph Wilson's desk. HE CREATES the FOs, and for that matter, has previously DESTROYED other FOs. As for the Bills 2nd round draft choices: * Travis Henry * Aaron Schobel * Ryan Denney * Josh Reed * Chris Kelsay * Roscoe Parrish * Paul Posluszny * James Hardly -after The Bills have had CHOICE first round draft picks since the 2001 draft. Here's the harvest: * Nate Clements * Mike Williams * Willis McGahee * J.P. Losman * Lee Evans * John McCargo * Donte Whitner * Marshawn Lynch * Leodis McKelvin Starting to see while the Bills still do not a the core for a playoff team? Between the busts, the disappearos, and the so whats, we have the core of a 7-9 team. One step forward, 1.5 steps back.

The Bills have had CHOICE first round draft picks since the 2001 draft. Here's the harvest: * Nate Clements * Mike Williams * Willis McGahee * J.P. Losman * Lee Evans * John McCargo * Donte Whitner * Marshawn Lynch * Leodis McKelvin That should have been the core of our playoff aspirations. Pass the Mad Dog...

I have a Nate Kaeding Chargers jersey because I knew him when he was in high school. I was his physics teacher and taught him all about the science of projectiles! He was a great kid and I'm sure still a quality person. It's been fun watching his career progress from star high school athlete to college to pro.

The biggest obstacle the Niners face is: Who will be the QB? You can be sure that the team is hoping that Alex Smith can finally get the job done. Shaun Hill will always be a back-up, and is only good for the short-term. This is the glaring problem that the Niners have to overcome. If Smith can get the job done, by doing a decent job, I think that will be enough for the Niners to surprise the NFL. The NFC West is weak. The Rams are still rebuilding, and while the Seahawks got Houshmandzedeh, I feel they are in a transitional state. Which leaves the Cardinals as the strong team in the divison. The Niners have a good mix of veterans and youth on the team with remarkable talent. Just imagine how strong the duo of WR's Michael Crabtree & Josh Morgan will be in the future. WR Issac Bruce is still playing at a good level, Frank Gore is still a dangerours RB, LT Joe Staley signed a long term contract recently, the defense is solid with Justin Smith & Aubrayo Franklin on the line, Patrick Willis had a slight sophomore slump but is going to be fixture at MLB for a long time, Takeo Spikes is still playing at a good level, then there are LB's Parys Haralson & Ahmad Brooks who very few people know about, and in the secondary there's Nate Clements, Walt Harris, Michael Lewis & Mark Roman. You might be right that Singletary's hard core approach could get old, but if he produces wins, nobody will care.

One thing I have to give the Bills credit for is recognizing the value of current players when their contract in Buffalo ends. With the exception of Pat Williams, the Bills have let players go to FA and those players have proven to be nothing more than a reliable starter. I.E Nate Clements, Takeo Spikes, Drew Bledsoe, Antoine Winfield ( OK he made the Pro Bowl last year but it was a first for him)

Actually, McGee is a fantastic corner. He has been by far our best since Nate left, and he will get a big contract at the end of this season.

Have to say I totaly agree with you.I think the Bills will miss Peters but not as much as every one thought,This is a loss probilty on the same line as loseing Nate Clemons it will hurt but the team will be fine.This line is'nt going to be perfect this year but in the long run I think they have a good chance to become a very good one.

1. DeShaun Foster: 2. Michael Vick: 3. Chris Chambers: 4. Jamal Lewis: 5. Adam Vinatieri: 6. Reggie Bush: 7. Ty Law: 8. Stephen Alexander: 9. Dante Hall: 10. DeAngelo Hall: 11. Keith Brooking: 12. Flozell Adams: 13. Simeon Rice: 14. Terence Newman: 15. Ruben Brown: Certainly a good player but nine Pro Bowls? Playing for the Bills in the early part of the decade, Brown was basically making the Pro Bowl by default every year because the best guards were in the NFC. 16. Olin Kreutz: 17. Willis McGahee: He thinks of himself as a superstar back, but so far he's nowhere close. In five seasons, McGahee has never ranked higher than eighth in the NFL in rushing yardage or 14th in DYAR. He's also had very poor receiving numbers. Last year, for example, McGahee's 24 receptions included four that actually lost yardage and two others on third-and-eight plays that each came up six yards short of the sticks. 18. Nate Clements: Is he an above-average cornerback? Yes. Is he worth the roughly $7.25 million per year the 49ers agreed to pay him during the 2007 offseason, the largest contract ever given to a defensive player up to that point? Um, no. 19. Eric Moulds: Moulds was the best receiver in the league in 1998 and one of the best in 1999 and 2000. He then spent most of this decade riding that reputation. FO metrics score him as below-average for five straight years from 2001 to 2005, but Moulds kept insisting he was a No. 1 receiver, and the Buffalo coaches kept treating him like one. He finally accepted himself as an older, slower possession receiver when he went to Houston in 2006, and then he had his best season in years, catching 74 percent of passes. 20. Freddie Jones: 21. Damien Woody: 22. Roy Williams (safety): 23. Jammal Brown: 24. Travis Henry: Henry had 4.1 yards per carry or less in five of his seven seasons (exceptions: 2002 and 2006), and his numbers would look even worse except that he had the advantage of playing a below-average schedule of run defenses in five of his seven seasons (exceptions: 2004 and 2005). He has never finished higher than 23rd among running backs in the Football Outsiders DVOA ratings. (Honestly, we could have just forgotten the other positions and done a list of 25 boom-and-bust running backs whose impressive fantasy football totals were primarily the product of lots of carries instead of above-average performance. No other group of players comes close when it comes to being overrated.) 25. All Denver punters:

FYI, Here's a good article from statistician Nate Silver on American's opinion of whether marijuana should be leagalized. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/02/ame...der-to-bud.html

Bills guys that should be on that list. Special Teams. P- Brian Morman PR- Roscoe Parrish KR- Leodis Mckelvin Defense DT- Pat Williams CB- Nate Clemens Possibly Takeo Spikes, Winfield, and Donte Whitner Offense WR- Lee Evans T- Jason Peters FB- Larry Centers Possibly Ruben Brown and Eric Moulds A respectable amount of representation for the Bills. Two guys on the defensive side of the Ball. Three guys on offense. The Biggest Representation being Special teams where we have been the best unit for some time now. 11 guys on each side of the ball 4 teams so the bills have average representation to me but heavy on the special teams sides.

Tom Brady, Travis Henry Randy Moss Eric Moulds TE : ??? Matt Light Reuben Brown Center from NYJ (Who followed Bill Parcells) RG ?? RT ?? Defense Taylor Seymour Wilfork Schoebel MLB : Guy from Miami Rodney Harrison Rhodes Ty Law Nate Clements Punter : Moorman Kicker : Vinateri KR : Leon Washington PR : Roscoe Parrish

http://www.ufl-football.com/press/2009/06/...re_season_draft This site provides the results of the UFL's draft tonight. Some "names" were chosen but no Losman. He could however have been a player previously "reserved" as the article points out. Notable names Las Vegas- S Archuletta, TE Nate Jackson, and RB Tyson Thompson New York- RB's Cecil Sapp and LaBrandon Toefield as well as T Ray Norrell (from UB) Orlando- QB Bollinger, NT Tripplett, DB's Dejuan Tribble and Mike Doss as well as Schobel's brother BO. San Fran.- RB Ayanbadejo, T Cory Lekkerkerker, and WR BJ Sams

Very solid post! I agree completely with your points about the importance of a good head coach and a good quarterback. I'd say that the three most important areas for a team to be solid are at quarterback, offensive line, and defensive line. Without a quarterback, you're not going to have much of a passing game; and your offense will be one-dimensional. Add to that the fact that a bad quarterback will turn the ball over a lot; whereas a good quarterback can be instrumental in snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. A good offensive line is critical. You have to have at least decent protection for your passing game to work. And it's very tough for a running game to produce much of anything, unless the run blocking is solid. If you have a good defensive line, you can get a good pass rush from your front four. Without it, you're more or less forced to blitz if you want any kind of pressure. On running downs, a good defensive line can either make the tackle itself, or at very least disrupt things while using up a lot of blockers. As you noted, the Bills haven't had a good quarterback since Kelly hung up his cleats. Hopefully Edwards will change this. The offensive line has had some successes here and there, but for the most part has been underwhelming ever since we lost the Kent Hull/Jim Ritcher group. The defensive line was good in the '90s with guys like Bruce Smith, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams; but it's gone downhill since then. Why have the Bills endured such long periods of weakness at such key positions, for such long periods of time? Probably the biggest single reason is this team's failure to build through the draft. Of the first round picks we had from 2001 - 2005, only one (Lee Evans) was used on a player who's still with the team. The Colts have four such players: Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeney, Dallas Clark, and Marlin Jackson. The next obvious question is, why have the Bills failed so spectacularly where the Colts have succeeded? Look at their first round picks from that era: 2001: Nate Clements. Short-sightedness. 2002: Mike Williams. Bad talent evaulation. 2003a: Drew Bledsoe. Short-sightedness. 2003b: Willis McGahee. Short-sightedness. 2004a: Lee Evans. A good pick. 2004b. J.P. Losman. Bad talent evaluation. As is generally the case with Bills' CBs picked in the first round, Clements went first contract and out. (After allowing for the extra year we got due to the franchise tag.) Willis McGahee was a short-sighted pick, because running backs typically have short careers; and because the Bills had a lot of other holes that needed to be filled. By the time we filled them, it would likely be time for another running back! The problem with the Drew Bledsoe pick is that a 3-13 team (as we had been in 2001) should not trade away a first round pick for someone else's aging veteran. Several of the picks expended on "shortsightedness" players could have been used on present-day contributors, instead, had the Bills been run by a better GM. When TD was guilty of bad talent evaluation--as he had been in the case of Mike Williams and Losman--it was typically because he'd over-emphasized physical traits, while under-emphasizing everything else. Both players had extensive physical potential. But Williams lacked the passion and work ethic he needed; while Losman lacked the on-field awareness and intelligence you'd hope your quarterback would have. To what extent is Russ Brandon guilty of TD's sins? He's already used an early first round pick on a CB (McKelvin), while letting a perfectly good CB walk in the prime of his career (Jabari Greer). Hopefully, that short-sightedness represents an anomaly, not a pattern. I'm not aware of any cases in which he's allowed the physical gifts of an early draft pick to blind him to that pick's other flaws. There don't seem to be any Mike Williams or J.P. Losman stories under Brandon's tenure as GM analog--at least not thus far.

This is one personnel move that I do NOT blame on Donahoe. In fact, he pretty much forced Gregg to hire LeBeau as an "advisor". Not to defend Gray, but the defense was pretty good in 2004 too, the year LeBeau went to Pittsburgh. It's funny how a roster that includes the likes of a healthy TKO, Fletcher in his prime, a productive Schobel, Sam Adams, Big Pat, Nate Clements, etc. can make a DC look pretty good, huh? Swap Ellison out with the 2003/2004 version of TKO and replace Kyle Williams with Pat Williams, and how good do you think the 2009 defense could be?

I got a good story about this game. I had just moved to Miami to work with a friend of mine. I had only been there a few weeks and didnt know the town very well. I was all set to watch the game on TV but it was blacked out. So at the last minute I found myself on the bus no less making my way to Joe Robbie stadium. This is a small world I swear. On the bus I meet a older couple who were on there way to the game as well who happen to be retiries from Cheektowaga. They said hello to me just because I had a Bills hat on. I sat next to them on the bus and they said were are you sitting. I said I was taking a chance on getting a ticket. Luck on my side they told me there son had to work and they would sell me the extra ticket. Well we got to the staduim and had a "few" drinks and got to know them a little bit. They ended up giving me the ticket for free. I was surprised how many bills fans were in the section we were in. I clearing remember the last half of the 4th Quarter. Nate made a key INT to set things up. I thought they were going to lose up until that point. When Kelly scored we went crazy. I am glad I saw it because I think that game was the turning point for the franchise. It was my first road Bills game.

The original "Nasty Nate" Odomes!

As un-homer as I can be -admittedly not very good-, I was conviced back then that even more players from that era would be enshined: Bennett. Was a lock IMO, untill he opted for greener pastures in Atlanta. Though he was a force on their SB team and still played well with Indy, he fell from national prominence after playing here. His Pro bowls and exceptional speed still may get him there in the years to come. Tasker. That he isn't already in is a major black eye for the NFL/Pro Footabll HOF. Wolford. K-Gun/4 wides put an enormous onus on him. It couldn't have worked without Kelly being able to set his feet. Polian 'shiestered' the new FA rules to steal him away, and his career play will put 2 QB's in the Hall. Hull. Not enough P-B's for serious contention, but ANYONE who knew this team, knew his excellence was necessary for success. He was snubbed for Hawaii many times by the good-ole-boy voting system. Rueben Brown's 7 PB's?? Nonsense! Marchibroda. A well documented career, the courage he had to re-define an NFL offense that couldn't be stopped for 4-5 years -until the league mandated changes to derail it, defines the premise for HOF credentials. What more could he do?? Honorable mention to Shane Conlan, Nate Odomes and 'House' Ballard whose careers were cut short by injury AFTER bailing on the Super Bills. Also Daryl Talley. No player since has done more with pure guts and determination. He and Hanson are erroneously assumed to have been helped immeasureably by Bruce Smith, when they were stalwarts by themselves.

The Peters example is not exactly parallel to the CBs who've gone first contract and out. Peters had a great year in 2007; but followed it up by a far less inspiring year in 2008 (especially in pass protection). If he plays up to the best of his ability, there's no question that he'll be one of the elite LTs of the league. The big question mark with him, of course, is motivation. If you could somehow take that question mark away, there'd be no question that the Bills got ripped off in their trade with Philly. But as long as that question mark remains, it drives down the fair value for Peters in any kind of trade. Given that factor, the first round pick the Bills received for him seems . . . close to being fair. Compare the first round pick from Peters to the compensation they've received for losing their first round CBs; which is nothing. (Well, except for whichever compensatory draft picks they may have received for losing those players.) You argue that, when the Bills get a good player at any given position, he's likely to go first contract and out. But the team's past history does not support this argument. From 1990 - 2005, the Bills' most successful draft picks have been as follows: Offensive Line John Fina - ten years with the Bills, one with the Cardinals Ruben Brown - nine years with the Bills, four with the Bears Jonas Jennings - four years in Buffalo, four years (and counting) in San Francisco. He has less than a season and a half worth of starts in his four years with the 49ers. WR Eric Moulds - ten years with the Bills, two with other teams Josh Reed - seven years (and counting) with the Bills Lee Evans - five years with the Bills, locked up for a long time to come. TE Jay Riemersma - seven years with the Bills, two with the Steelers. He had only nine starts after leaving Buffalo. QB - no draft day success stories from 1990 - 2005 RB Antowain Smith - four years in Buffalo, five years (including two with 8 or more starts) with other teams. Travis Henry - four years with the Bills, out of a seven year career. Willis McGahee - four years with the Bills, two years (and counting) with the Ravens DL Phil Hansen - eleven years with the Bills John Parella- one year with the Bills, eleven with other teams Marcellus Wiley - four years with the Bills, six with other teams. But--after his second year in San Diego--he never had more than three sacks in a season. Aaron Schobel - eight years (and counting) with the Bills LB Mark Maddox - seven years with the Bills, three with the Cardinals Sam Rogers - seven years with the Bills, three with other teams John Holocek - six years with the Bills, two with other teams. He only had 11 starts after he left Buffalo. Sam Cowart - four years in Buffalo, four with other teams. Angelo Crowell - six years with the Bills, entering his first year with the Bucs. Safety Henry Jones - ten years with the Bills, two with other teams CB Thomas Smith - out of a nine year career, he spent seven with the Bills Jeff Burris - four years with the Bills, six with other teams Antoine Winfield - five years with the Bills, five years (and counting) with the Vikings. Nate Clements - six years with the Bills, two years (and counting) with the 49ers. Terrence McGee - entering his seventh year with the Bills. His contract is set to expire at the end of the season. As you can see from the above list, the Bills' success stories at the non-CB positions generally spent the bulk of their useful careers in Buffalo. When a non-CB was let go in the prime of his career, there was generally some factor involved other than just money. With Cowart, it was the injury. With Crowell, it was the injury plus the front office's dissatisfaction with how Crowell handled it. The one position (other than CB) where the Bills demonstrated the most short-sightedness was at RB. In that case, they used three first round picks on players who, collectively, gave the team twelve years of play. They also received a total of three third round picks from trading away those guys which, though not much, is better than nothing. Among non-CBs/RBs, the closest the Bills came to a first contract and out situation was Marcellus Wiley. Given that he had two very good years for San Diego before becoming a shell of his former self, it's difficult to believe that TD somehow knew that Wiley wouldn't work out well over the long term. Based on what TD knew at the time, the decision to let Wiley walk may have been the result of some combination of TD's short-sightedness, and the constraints imposed by the mess Butler made of the salary cap. Jonas Jennings is another potential example of a successful non-CB/RB who went first contract and out. But given that he's missed most of his potential starts in San Francisco due to injury, this appears to be a case in which the Bills received most of the value from Jennings' career. Based on the above, there are very few clear examples of the Bills allowing a non-CB/RB to go first contract and out, halfway through a long and solid career. On the other hand, there are a number of examples of good non-CBs/RBs being retained through the bulk of their useful careers. Eric Moulds. Lee Evans. Aaron Schobel. Phil Hansen. Ruben Brown. To a lesser degree, John Fina, Jay Riemersma, and Henry Jones. Compare that to CBs and RBs. Other than Thomas Smith (who spent seven years with the Bills), none of our success stories at CB have spent more than six years with the team. Jabari Greer--an UDFA--left after five years. There are no Lee Evans or Eric Moulds stories among the Bills' CBs; no guys who will spend the vast bulk of their long, useful careers with the Bills. One could say the same thing about the RBs drafted during that time, though Lynch might become an exception to that rule. Given that CBs (due to contract status) and RBs (due to longevity issues) tend to have the shortest stays in Buffalo, the number of first round picks used on the RB/CB positions serves as a potential indication of the front office's short-sightedness. During the '80s--when the Bills were building up to Super Bowl contender status--the team used four first round picks on RBs/DBs. By 1990, none of those four players was on the roster; and none had given the team more than five years of play. However, the Bills had enough success with other players drafted in the '80s to make up for this. During the '90s, the Bills used five first round picks on RBs/CBs. With the exception of Thomas Smith, none of those players gave the team more than five years of play. During the 2000s, the Bills have--thus far--used four first round picks on RBs/CBs. Of the two RBs/CBs taken before 2005, neither is still with the team.

That's a rock-solid post. As I've written here, the Bills (from 1990 - 2005) experienced about nine success stories with their first round picks. The five non-CBs among those success stories were John Fina, Ruben Brown, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans, and Henry Jones. Each of those players was retained for the bulk of his useful career. The four CB success stories were Thomas Smith, Jeff Burris, Antoine Winfield, and Nate Clements. Other than Smith (who stayed seven years, and was the least successful of the four), none of those guys stayed more than six years. The average for the group was to stick around for 5.5 years before leaving for greener pastures. And, as you point out, that's a terrible waste of our first round draft picks. Good teams don't act that way. Take the Colts, for example, during the Bill Polian era. Not every first round pick they've had has been a success story. But, when they have been successful, they've retained that player for the bulk of his useful career. The one exception was Marshall Faulk. But even in his case, they at least got something (a second and a fifth) for trading him away. Compare Polian's discipline--using first round picks as long-term building blocks--with the short-sightedness of the Bills' front office (using first round picks on quick fix CBs, who consistently go first contract and out).

VOR, here is what I was responding to. The guy says that the Bills offered him the same deal he signed with Philly. And then refuses to link to it, because there is no link, because it's not true. Do the math? OK, here's the math. In most negotiations, the player says he wants too much, and the team says we will give you too little. Then they meet in the middle. And that is exactly what appeared to be happening here. The Bills offered $9 mill a year or over. Peters said it wasn't enough and lowered it to $11. The Bills refused to do any further negotiating. Russ has said that he offered the contract and Peters turned it down and that was that. The Bills stopped moving up. Because of that, Peters stopped moving down. Unsurprisingly, when Peters was traded he found a team that was, extremely quickly, willing to make a deal right in the middle between the two figures, the Bills figure and the Peters figure. That is the math. Peters knew his market value. The Bills refused to pay it. The Bills also wimped out at holding onto the guy for the year and pressuring him with the thought of another $3.5 million year. They did the worst thing and traded him. The Eagles paid him exactly what every neutral observer thought would be the price, about halfway between the Bills figure and the Peters figure. In other words, the Bills NEVER OFFERED WHAT THE EAGLES OFFERED. There has been no evidence of that, none whatsoever. Two more points. First, when Russ said he offered the biggest contract in Bills history, how much of it was guaranteed? How much of it was back-loaded in one of those Nate Clements / Bruce Smith deals? You know, the ones with the low salaries at the front and the super-high ones at the end so that the player can point to the unrealistically high total figure and the GM can go to the owner and say "Obviously we're not paying him those last two years at $15 mill each." We have only heard Russ say that it was the largest Bills contract ever, but the devil is in the details, and we have no idea what the details were. Second, why doesn't Russ make the exact offer public? If he really did make an offer that was larger than or equal to the Philly offer, he takes a huge amount of pressure off himself by telling everyone the size of his offer. Bills fans all say "Ah, so the guy simply wanted to leave town," and potential FAs say "Hey, the Bills stepped up and gave the guy a tremendous offer after he played at a high level. The Bills might be worth a look." There is NO DOWNSIDE to releasing the figures of the exact offer. Except ... ...if the Bills final offer was still well below the Eagles final offer. Then releasing the exact terms makes the Bills look stupid and cheap. Myself, I'm guessing that the terms of that offer never become public. For obvious reasons.

An All star team? Perhaps not. But it doesn't take 22 All stars to win a Super Bowl. While we were enduring some dreadful offensive line play last year, Buffalo cast-off Mike Gandy was starting at LT for a Super Bowl team. Great? No. Good enough to be playing here providing real insurance for Jason Peters or maybe even starting at guard for the disappointing Dockery or the injury prone Butler? Yeah. Remember when the Bills in essence traded Ruben Brown for Chris Vilarrial? Ruben was a good starter on their SB team, Villarial was a POS. There are a number of instances like that, where guys who were plenty good enough to play well here were let go because of rigid schemes and bad money and strategic decisions. That is besides losing high quality durable starters like Pat Williams, Antoine Winfield, London Fletcher, Nate Clements, even Lawyer Milloy. Then using first day picks, and in the case of Williams a pick on McCargo and then multiple pics on Stroud just to replace them(then waiting for those guys to develop with mixed results). Then when the roster isn't good enough, it gives management an excuse to stick with the abysmal Dick Jauron. It's an utterly ridiculous situation. That is beside using #1 and #2 picks on Henry and McGahee to later trade them for lesser picks in their primes. Face it, the likelihood is Marshawn Lynch will be the next to go for cheap if anything and his career stat line won't read much better, if even as good as McGahee's. People are always rationalizing why it was a good idea to get rid of a player. The standings don't lie. It's no mistake this team can't get ahead, they do an awful job of handling their personnel. AWFUL.

who was winfields repalcement? You said we used a 1st rd pick on his replacement, and then let him walk? Who, because Nate clements was not winfields replacment-so who was?

I debated not even dignifying your post with a response, but it's Friday and I'm feeling loose, so I guess I'll slap you around quickly and then move on... Your post was doomed from the start. Yes, Buffalo would clearly be better with McGahee, a guy that lost his job to a 5th-round full back. I can only assume you mean Todd Collins that Buffalo should've kept; I have no idea how to even respond. You're talking about a guy that went 11 years without starting a game after he left Buffalo, doesn't that tell you something? Kevin Williams is a 3-time pro bowl defensive tackle, who--by the way--plays for Minnesota. I guess you were probably referring to Kyle Williams. Are you sure you're talking about the Bills? You seem to have a disturbing lack of knowledge regarding the team. I'm sure you didn't know that Aaron Schobel has more sacks since 2001 than any AFC player other than Jason Taylor, I'd consider that an elite pass rusher. Sorry that he's not as good as one of the top 3 DE's ever to play the game. Last time I checked, he didn't have to be Bruce Smith in order to be considered among the best pass rushers in the league. So Bills' fans aren't knowledgable because they wanted a new head coach and quarterback, huh? So you were satisfied with Bledsoe, Losman, Gregg Williams, Mike Mularkey, etc.? If yes, then you're an idiot. If no, then you're a hypocrite. Just because a guy is signed in free agency, that doesn't make him a "castoff". You are aware that there's this thing called a "salary cap", right? Carolina doled out over $115 million in contracts to offensive linemen the last 2 off-seasons, so they couldn't re-sign Hangartner. He started for over 3 years there, that means he's a starter in the league, not a castoff. As much as you may want to be able to trash the front office for signing him, it'd behoove you to actually watch him play (my personal favorite piece of video is last season's Giants game; watch him push Fred Robbins around and then come back and talk). I love the McKelvin comment. After watching the guy start 8 games as a rookie, you are confident enough in your professional football analyitcal abilities to label him a lesser version of Nate Odoms that takes too many chances? Wow, I've read some BS on this board, but you, my friend, could teach a course on it. By the way, since you talk to Schottenehimer, Gruden and Reeves so often that you know their preferred teams to coach, can you ask Gruden why he said (on NFL Network during the draft) he'd coach any AFC East team in a heartbeat? Just curious, Adam, since you're so well connected, can you find that out for me? Nah, you know what, don't bother, just go stick your head back in the sand.

Be careful what you wish for. The team has shown a lot more discipline and fire under Jauron's watch than under Mularkey and Williams, despite not being heavy on talent. Fans wanted those two coaches gone- they wanted Brown and Peters gone as well- two of the best post-superbowl era players the Bills have had. We should have kept Magahee and Collins as well, and concentrated on fixing the offensive and defensive line. Last time we had a viable defensive line, we still had Ted Washington. Last time we had a viable offensive line, we still had Kent Hull. Amazing enough, the skill position players did pretty well at that point too. Bills fans claim to be so great and knowledgeable, but they keep falling for the same musical chairs routine at QB and coach time after time. The Bills would need a miracle to win five games with the talent they have this year. If Walker was such a great left tackle, why did we rush Peters back on the field.....sorry. We mey be starting two rookie guards and have a castoff from another team at center. Edwards still hasn't shown much, but they rushed him back too soon after the concussion. On defense, we line up Kevin Williams next to Stoud- sorry, but Kevin Williams in garbage. To all those singing Aaron Schobel's praises, he has been injured a lot lately and if you ever considered him to be elite, you probably are too young to remember Bruce Smith. McKelvin so far is a lesser version of Nate Odomes- gambles too much and the play probably is a touchdown one way or the other. If you want Jauron gone, you better hope they can dig up a no-name, because Schottenehimer, Gruden and Reeves can pick and choose, and they NEVER would pick Buffalo.