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Because these lists are based on last year's production...and he was hurt for 11 weeks last year. All the media ever does is go by last year, be it in their predictions for how teams will do this year or who is the best player in the league. It's what have you done for me lately, and a player who was hurt most of last year doesn't get the respect. I've heard Steve Young (a guy who knows a thing or two about football) say that Moulds is the 4th best WR in the league...that means more to me than some poll the NFL network put on their webpage...

Sorry to disagree, but you're wrong. It's easy to look at stats and say, "this guy has better stats, he must be better!" It's a little more difficult to look at what a WR does when he's given opportunities and how the offense works with him and without him. I'm not being a homer, hell that's the last thing anybody that knows me has ever said about me, I'm overly critical of teams and things I love. Moulds isn't a perfect WR by any means, but the guy is, IMO, just as good or better than every WR in the league not named Harrison, Moss, or Owens...even if the stats don't back it up. I'd LOVE to see what a soft WR like Holt would do in the offenses Moulds has played in the last 6 years. I'll tell you what, he wouldn't put up better numbers than Moulds has...though I'm sure you think he would...which is why this debate is pointless, neither of us are going to change our opinion. You need to start watching other teams play. Sure Moulds’ drops irritate you a ton because it’s the Bills, but if you watched these other WRs you notice that "gasp" they drop the ball too… particularly a guy like Owens who drops the ball more than just about any WR in the league.

Damn, it scares me that there is still a Bills fan out there that thinks Bledsoe doesn't shoulder much of the blame...Bledsoe lovers aren't the fanatics that Flutie Flakes were, but damn, it's still kinda scary.

I don't know, I think trading back up into the first round to draft a QB is a pretty strong indication that Dohahoe is willing to fix his mistakes...let's just hope Losman is indeed a "fix".

I'd think that Ralph Wilson has done enough in his life to have earned more respect than this from a Bills fan. Pretty pathetic.

I'd take Moulds over Ward any day of the week...and Holt is a toss up, put Moulds in that offense and see the numbers he'd put up. I'll give you Harrison, Owens and Moss, they are the creme of the crop.

Either that or he'd just sit in the pocket and wait...and wait...and wait...and keep on waiting for a defensive player to knock him down. My unofficial tally is that at least 3 of the sacks today were DB not getting rid of the ball when he should have.

It all starts with the Oline...doesn't matter who you have at the skill positions if the Oline doesn't do its job or the QB can't get the WRs the ball. Henry is a top 12-15RB...and Moulds IS a top 5WR. Both are certainly good enough to do the job with a supporting cast that is worth a damn.

The stat that stands out to me is yards per pass attempt. 7.2 to 6.2...that stat is perhaps the most important for a QB and for RJ to have such an obvious edge is almost laughable... Bledsoe just has no accuracy on his shorter throws, which is problematic when the offense is predicated on those throws now...

Only way this wagon gets moving is if it hits a seriously sleep downhill slope...something to the effect of our next 3 opponents all come down with food poisoning the morning of the game and have to forfeit. You can make a very convincing argument that we are the worst team in the league right now.

Did Mularky say, "we just failed to execute"...because if he didn't then I suppose that's the only thing that's changed.

Are we going to have to have a thread that states this every week? We all know we suck and don't have a 1st round pick next year...thank god we've (hopefully) got a young QB who will replace Bledsoe in the very near future instead of having to wait until next year.

I'm not going to say that stats tell the entire story, because obviously they don't. And even so, the stats I've collected aren't complete. But lets take a look at the stats RJ compiled in the 24 games in which he had significant playing time w/ the Bills to those Drew has compiled in his last 24 games played as a Bill. By "significant playing time" for Johnson, I mean games in which he had 15+ throwing attempts...not games he necessarily started or finished (I’m sure this type of game-by-game info exists on the web, but I couldn’t find it…perhaps somebody else can). Also not included are sacks taken...which I'd REALLY like to see a comparison if anybody knows where to find that info on a game-by-game basis. I’d also like to find out what the offenses averaged per game in these 24 games for each QB (not just total points scored, but what the O put up, not counting D or special teams scores). Anyway: Johnson Record 8-16 Comp 404 Att 671 Comp% 60.2 yds 4818 TD 26 INT 16 Yards per attempt 7.2 684 rushing yards Bledsoe Record 9-15 Comp 424 Att 732 % 57.6 yds 4543 TD 19 INT 21 Yards per attempt 6.2 52 rushing yards You know, if RJ is the end all be it of terrible QBing, DB can't be far behind in terms of production for the Bills. And yes, I fully realize that stats don't paint the entire picture and it's not all Drew's fault, yadda yadda yadda...but by the same token it wasn't all RJ's fault either... In the past few years RJ has gotten lambasted on this board (deservedly so) as a pathetic excuse for a QB...it's gotten so bad that whenever anybody or anything sucks really badly that they = RJ. Perhaps we should change that to = DB.

It's done NOTHING, which is why you go for it, we won't have another TD shot.

We need a TD to win this game...and I for one don't think we'll have a TD drive in the 4th quarter...go for the TD now because it's as close as this O is going to get. If we don't get it, let's hope this D can stop them 3 and out and we can get another shot starting on their side of the field.

Yep, this is about as frusterated as I've been in awhile. This is the same crap we've suffered through for the past 3+ seasons and I'm tired of seeing it. Either we sign some of the stupidest players around or our coaching staff can't coach...it's one or the other because we constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY make stupid mistakes, over and over and over and over and over again. Sigh, I'm grabbing a beer and hoping it numbs the pain of the second half. Even if we somehow win this game, we just look awful.

The second sack was all Drew (pat-pat-pat), but both the first and the third sacks happen because Shelton missed his assignment. The first one was UNEXCUSABLE as he ran RIGHT by the blitzing LB instead of chipping him or outright blocking him. The third sack (the Drew rollout) Shelton decides to double up on a DL and lets the LB run free at Drew. The guy is just horrible and is costing the team. On another note, with or without Shelton this offense just sucks, period.

I've met one or two, but not many. And that's saying something, I live in NYC...

Hey, I'm not questioning anybody in particulars loyalty to their favorite team or why they starting rooting for that team...it's just amazing how many Yankee fans there are out there now that they've regained their winning ways. Where were all these fans in the 80s? It's so easy to root for a winner. I don't care for the BoSox but I commiserate with their fans, they've had it rougher than the Bills and their fans still stick with the team. I'm sure there are hardcore Yankee fans like that as well, but they get drowned out by every Minnesota Twins loving fan out there who has to have a “second favorite” team so they can root for a winner.

A Twins fan starting a thread on a Buffalo Bills message board called "The Yankees Win!" when, in fact, the Yankees lost...and you're calling somebody else an "assbag"?

GD, maybe BoSox fans are just as annoying as Yankee fans.

I was watching Playbook on NFL network yesterday and was surprised when pretty much everyone in the studio said that the Bills should win this game going away. So it's not everybody that's picking the Raiders.

This is intelligent reasoning... I don't care for the Yanks or the BoSox...but g'damn if Yankee fans aren't the most obnoxious POSs I've ever seen. You guys act as if you personally have won 26 championships...and you throw those numbers around like you've been alive and a fan of the team the entire time. Perhaps it's those championships that led you to be Yankee fans, and jumping on the bandwagon of an established winner is really nothing to be bragging about...

He actually beat the blitz a few times, I was surprised and somewhat impressed.

The last thing I want is for Arizona to shock NE...that would pretty much negate ANY chance the Bills have of pulling an upset 2 weeks later...The Pats aren't losing back to back games to the Cardinals and Bills...