[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

 

Well, Whaley did say he was a blank canvas. That sounds like raw. Or maybe it is more like a bag of flour and unbroken eggs on the counternot even dough yet.

I agree that Cardale is pretty raw, but he has also proven himself at the highest level of college football, on the biggest stage. The Eagles mortgaged their future for a guy with zero experience playing against NFL caliber athletes. Wentz has probably never played in front of more 30,000 people.

[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

When? From my account he was 3rd string guy after Barrett and the converted QB/WR, drawing a blank on name.

 

He started games in 2015 and was replaced by Barrett. He's just very raw. Would have liked for them to take a more proven guy earlier on, especially round 3 where there were a few guys. I would love to be proven wrong but history is not on his side.

Do you think a guy who won the Big 10 championship game, a playoff game against Alabama and the BCS National Championship is more raw than a guy who played two seasons of 1-AA ball?

[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

Comparison of Jones to Carson Wentz

http://presnapreads.com/2016/04/02/the-value-of-cardale-jones/

Great read. Thanks. This guy is going to win a lot of games in a Bills uniform.

[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

he hurdles linebackers and can run over linemen.

Hell, I was just thinking of a plain old fashioned QB sneak.

[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

@adamschefter

With smaller-framed Tyrod Taylor, Bills' OC Greg Roman could use new Buffalo QB Cardale Jones in short-yardage situations.

Great point.

[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

So the backup plan to Tyrod Taylor is Cardale Jones.

 

LMAO.

Right, because Cardale certainly hasn't proven he can win coming off the bench . . .

[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

Wonder how many Browns fans just threw something at the TV . . .

[RD 4, Pick 139: QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State]

Absolutely perfect. Huge upside and won't be asked to play right away. And he came cheap. 👍👍👍

[2016 Draft Day 3: Rounds 4-7 Around the League]

I take back everything I said about the trade up for Ragland!

[2016 Draft Day 3: Rounds 4-7 Around the League]

YESSSSSSS!!!!

[2016 Draft Day 3: Rounds 4-7 Around the League]

Here is where Cardale comes off the board--Bears

[The Jets are trying the experiment]

The Jets are all in on selecting garbage prospects until one of them works out. I'm okay with this.

Geno appears to suck, but we have no idea whether Petty or Hack can play. It's a little early to be making fun of the Jets' QB selections. Glass houses and all . . .

[Which QB do you want the Bills to draft?]

I'd be ok with Jones, Prescott, or Hogan. Just say no to Cook!

I want one of those three, too, although I would take Cook, as well. What burns me up about the 4th we gave away is that it might have been our best chance to get one of those guys, although I suspect not all will be gone by the time we use our comp pick.

[Mad about the Ragland trade? We could always be Tampa Bay..]

How can you say the second round has not been good to the Bills over the years?

 

Thurman Thomas

Cordy Glenn

Aaron Williams

Robert Woods

Ronald Darby

Aaron Schobel

 

One HOF player and five very solid contributors - this is just off the top of my head there are probably more.

I never said that. The last seven fourth rounders have all proven to be decent NFL players and are all still in the league. At least two of our second rounders in that time were/are complete washouts. At least one first rounder too.

[Bills trying to trade up for Cook - LaCanfora]

Forget Cook. The chances of landing a good NFL QB in the fourth round or beyond are practically 0.

Like Tyrod Taylor?

[Mad about the Ragland trade? We could always be Tampa Bay..]

If you look at the Bills draft history since 2000 in the fourth round it's pretty underwhelming. Don't think they gave up as much as people think.

Actually, I just looked at the list and the last 8 fourth rounders are/were all pretty solid contributors, which is more than you can say for the last 7 second rounders. Cockerel was cut but he now starts for Pittsburgh, and the Bills took him one pick before Martavis Bryant. There is plenty of talent in the fourth round. This franchise continues to not get it.

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

So you would be happy if the Bills pick a QB, regardless of who it is?

How did you deduce that?

[RD 2, Pick 41: LB Reggie Ragland, University of Alabama]

I think they traded up because they thought that Oakland was going to take him.

Reminds me a lot of the trade up for Poz when David Harris was still there and would have been available in the Bills' slot. A panic move.

 

So you have a problem giving up two fourths for (essentially) a 1st round talent?

 

I think you're using new math or something.

He was apparently not a first round talent. Otherwise, he would have been drafted yesterday. And there is no reason to believe he would not have been there at 49, or that he will be better than Josh Perry, for that matter. We gave away two 4th round picks, just like we gave away a 4th round pick for Bryce Brown.

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

Patriots take a QB before the Bills. How backwards is that.

Some franchises never learn.

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

Please define "premium position."

QB, edge rusher, OT, WR, CB, possibly safety, possibly TE

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

Alright. I do not think he is not a good pick, and i do not like to trade up.

lets hope he crushes it

I would not have been upset with the pick at 49. But they panicked.

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

You certainly implied it. Lots of QBs on ultra talented teams had good records - those 10 wins don't mean much in terms of evaluating Jones as a NFL prospect.

But you suggested that his physical skills alone don't mean much. I simply pointed out that he has a track record of using those skills to win football games. If having great physical skills and winning football games at QB aren't enough in your book, what is?

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

again, you do not know that either. What pro teams do is communicate and then take the risk. They surely know better then you or I do as to what teams had their eye upon.

 

i guess simpler said it may have been, OMG he fell this far, don't let him get picked up. Bills really liked him all along from what i have read

At best, they were playing a hunch. That's fine if you are moving up for a QB or a difference maker at a premium position. We are talking about an inside linebacker. It's the type of move up that foolish teams make and smart teams take advantage of.

Didn't those 5 teammates that were picked in round 1 and Michael Thomas (r2) and soon-to-be-picked Braxton Miller and Von Bell have anything to do with those 10 wins?

Did I ever say they didn't?

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

Wouldn't be a fan of Cardale Jones in round 3. Physical ability is not the most important factor in QB success in the NFL. Some of the greats haven't had great arms, size and speed. Brees, Manning, Brady, Montana, etc.

Not just physical ability. There is also the minor detail that he has never lost a college game.

[2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league]

and not to be snarky but how would You know that?

I don't know it, but the Bills didn't know that Ragland would be gone before 49, either. That's the point. They panicked over a guy at a non-premium position.