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It is incredible to me that a lot of folks here are perfectly content not to draft a QB and go into next season with EJ as the back-up again.Our current backup has proven that he can't even manage a game. He is a liability.
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I would say Cardale is no more raw than a guy who started only two seasons at the 1-AA level. i think the Eagles are taking a huge risk.
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Just keep posting your blanket "opinions", backed up by nothing whatsoever. Makes for a great read."Teams need a backup QB right?" - "Correct."
You must be a school teacher.
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Correct. With a competent backup QB, the Bills may well have made the playoffs last year. A quality backup QB is probably worth more than a solid starter at any other position. On some teams, a quality backup is indispensable.Why?
You know that teams need backup QBs right?
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This is precisely the drafting philosophy that has led the Bills to draft 4 QBs in the past 20 years. As we have seen, it is a formula for disaster.That of all the QBs discussed in this draft we'll be lucky if one capable starter emerges. That's just the reality. Every year we talk like there are 4-5-6 viable options and most of these guys are selling cars within 2 years.
That said do you really want the Bills to pass on a player who can realistically contribute to pick what is essentially a lottery ticket? I don't.
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Wow, you talk about him as if he can't hit the broad side of a barn. He has a career completion rate of 66% and a ypa of 8.5.Biggest point about that was the mechanics are not easy to fix. You take the guy on what he was because mechanics can regress to old habits when under pressure.
Kevin Hogan is a smart guy, I get that. I respect the fact that he's done as much as he has with such little talent. It's a testament to his preparation, coaches rave about how diligent he is in the film room. He just flat out can't throw a football accurately. He's a dagger through the heart in the red zone, his placement is so inconsistent that it's infuriating.
If Yolo sees this, he'll get what I mean. I look at Kevin Hogan the same way I looked at Kenny Guiton. Great guy, brings leadership, incredible teammate but you wouldn't want him taking the field for your football team.
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WEAKNESSES
Mechanics and footwork are a mess. Throws with a very wide base, a pitcher's stride and a protracted delivery.
So he's not draftable, I guess.
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He was not a game-manager at Stanford. And please remind me of all the first round picks Stanford has produced the last three years. They have good talent, but nothing close to the Tebow-era Gators. I'm not saying Hogan is the second coming of Andrew Luck, but he can be a very solid pro who plays in the league for ten years or more--Fitz or maybe a little better.I don't ever see him being a NFL starter except for an injury to a starter. Fitz has been forced to carry NFL teams for stretches, which he struggles to do consistently.
Hogan was not asked to carry his college team. I guess we'll see because you never know with Qbs. But I just don't see it.
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They are both white quarterbacks who won a lot of games in college. Therefore, Hogan won't cut it in the pros.I don't see any similarities at all between Hogan and Tebow.
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Then you did not read what I wrote.Everything you mentioned was about Stanford as a team and not Kevin Hogan as a quarterback. I'd venture to say that I'm not the one that needs to watch more football.
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If you think there are any parallels to be drawn between hogan and Timmy T then you have not seen many Stanford games in the past four years.Remember the last QB that had a weird throwing motion and had the 'all he does is win' fanfare behind him? Yeah, that worked out well.
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That must be why he was a four-year starter at one of the top programs in the country under one of the best coaches in the country, where he did nothing but win and complete a ridiculous percentage of his passes in a pro-style offense. He can also run, and he never was injured. Oh, I forgot--he's got kind of a funny throwing motion.It's like I'm in the twilight zone. Kevin Hogan fails the most basic premises of being a quarterback.
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Hogan might have the highest floor of any QB in this draft. The question is his ceiling. I would be happy if the Bills end up with Jones, Hogan or Prescott, in that order. I also see them coming off the board in that order, with Jones going as high as round 2. I originally thought Hogan was a late day 3 guy, but I now expect someone to take him in the third round. He does seem like a great fit for the Bills.
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Yes, whomever hired the guy should be blamed as well, but show me where Rex ever suggested that the existing personnel was not well suited to his scheme and that the Bills' defense would get worse before it got better. To the contrary, he told us we should expect a no. 1 defense last year. And yes, he should have been fired at the end of the season and he should be fired today, before he can do further damage.This is such a baseless pile. It's readily apparent that no discussions were had about Rex scrapping his playbook and changing to a base 4-3. If you hate the hire that's fine but blame the person/persons responsible for hiring a defensive minded coach who's principles went against everything your highly paid players excelled at.
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I'm pissed because Rex never would have been hired in the first place if he had said it would take two seasons to implement his scheme and that it would be necessary to overhaul the defensive personnel, to boot. That is emphatically not the bill of goods we were sold.You have to draft players that match what he is trying to do on defense
or do you just want him fired?
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Im not necessarily saying we shouldn't go defense (well, ok, I guess I am), but there are serious needs on offense as well--RT, #2 WR, and most importantly, another QB. RB depth, too, but that can be had late.Maybe, but we lost some in FA, let go of others, and have guys with extensive injury histories. Bradham, Mario, McKelvin, Tarpley all gone. How will AW respond? Is KW starting to fall apart? A lot of questions on that side of the ball if you ask me. I know we have added some guys, but none of them have proven to be anything more than depth at this point in their careers.
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I throw up a little in my mouth every time I see a mock with the Bills using their first three or four picks on defense. This was one of the top three or four defenses in the league a year ago. Has Wrecks really done that much damage that quickly?
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Great story. And say what you will about Belichick, but I doubt any other organization would support someone like this.
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Call me crazy, but considering that C. Jones is such a boom-or-bust option -- a guy unlikely to even be the backup for at least a year or so -- I would be all on board with the Bills taking a Kevin Hogan IN ADDITION to Jones, say in the last round or two. A guy like Jones has a much lower ceiling but could probably serve as a backup from day one. Meanwhile, in 2-3 years Jones is either starting or out of the league.
I would have no problem with that. See above.
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I know many of you have argued against the #Bills drafting QB Cardale Jones. I think you're wrong, and this is why: https://t.co/QYl2wiwrbw
From the article: The Bills have drafted 4 QBs in the past 20 years. Incredible. And folks here are still trying to think of excuses not to draft one this year.
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LMAO.. Ok.. newton 30 TDs 7 INTs in one full season
jones 8 tds 5 INts in a partial season
If you look at 2014 and 2015 combined, which is what I was talking about, Jones had 15 TDs and 7 INTs. The point is not that Jones is as good a prospect as Newton; the point is that both played about the same number of college games. If Jones had put up Newton-like numbers, we would not be having this conversation because he would be the first player picked next Thursday. Jones is a guy who's ceiling is similar to Newton's, but obviously there are more question marks surrounding him. If there weren't, there would be no chance of getting him outside the first round.
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I think some folks are slightly missing the point with Jones...
With the extraordinarily high rate of failure QB's drafted after the 2nd round have had, if you're going to take a guy in the 3rd or later, it might as well be a guy with all the physical tools and a rocket arm...
The truth is the chances of getting the right guy are slim...But with a kid like Jones you really don't have to tweak much physically...You just have to coach him up and hope he catches on...If he doesn't, it's not like it's going to be a big surprise...But the truth is had he started 3 full years at Ohio St he more than likely would be a 1st Round pick...Right or wrong...So if you're going to do it...Why not do it with the QB that has the most upside?...Work him hard and see if you get lucky...
Exactly. If he was a more polished product, and without some of the uncertainty, there is no way the Bills would have a chance at drafting him. It's not like the Bills haven't bombed on plenty of second and third-round picks; might as well roll the dice on a guy who has incredible upside at the most important position in sports.
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Really? Watch these highlights and tell me if you feel the same.
0:34 - Underthrown and most likely picked or at least broken up in NFL
0:41 - inaccurate 10 yard high throw to guy who is standing wide open.
0:59 - Underthrown and most likely picked or at least broken up in NFL
1:34 - Underthrown again to a wide open guy
3:10 - WR has to slow down again to catch ball after DB falls down
And this is the HIGHLIGHT reel. Tyrod hits those deep balls in stride consistently.
Wow, you're picky. In those highlights, which were mostly from one game, I saw Cardale hit a lot of guys in stride. Some of the balls you say were underthrown I would call back shoulder passes. And when he decides to run, DBs might want to get out of the way.
Here's the bottom line with Cardale: He is a huge guy with an even bigger arm. He is very mobile, especially for a guy his size. Because of his size and mobility, he is difficult to sack and is likely to be highly durable in the pros. Despite some borderline racist comments I have read here and other places, he appears to be a smart guy who for the most part has his head on straight. He has NEVER lost a college game and he performed at his best on the biggest possible stage. His upside is unlimited. I will be surprised if he makes it to round 3, but if he does, the Bills had better pull the trigger on the 12-gauge.
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I watched all those games too, and I saw something very different. Every time OSU needed a big play, he delivered, and he threw the ball with very good accuracy against some excellent defenses. The team played far better than it had before Barrett got hurt.Cam Newton also completely dominated JuCo ball and had a much better performance in his one season than Cardale did. Cardale is a big time arm and that's about it at this point. I've been saying this ever since he won the National Championship and people were declaring him a future #1 overall pick. Anyone who watched those games carefully should have seen a guy that took advantage of defenses trying to stop Elliot from running all over them (which he did anyway). Cardale was just launching the ball to wide open guys or one on one coverage and the WRs were making great catches. All the big plays exaggerated his stats. He did not show great accuracy or great decision making, he just chucked it a lot. Add on to that the fact that he will not be able to run even close to as much against NFL defenses and, to me, he is a wasted pick before the 5th. And this is coming from an OSU fan.
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