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I'm not sure about that. In some states, including California, it is illegal, with some exceptions, to fire or refuse to hire someone because of their political beliefs or affiliations. But that would be a difficult case to prove, of course.Here is a fact, no speculation, if the owners didnt bring him on board because of his kneeling etc they are 100% within their right and not in violation of the CBA as long as they did not collude.
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Thanks for posting. Kaepernick is alleging that the owners have colluded not to sign him in retaliation for his outspoken views on perceived racial injustice. So my original point--that his grievance alleges that he's not in the league because of his expression of his political view--still stands. I will acknowledge that it will be difficult for him to prove collusion, since I'm sure the owners weren't stupid enough to send around a group email about not signing Kaepernick. We'll see.
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Have you read the grievance, or are you just speculating?That is not true. Owners have every right to not hire him on their team,. The basis of his grievance is not why he isn't on a team, the basis is if team colluded.
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Very big of you to want to move past it...It's one thing to recognize the past and learn from it, quite another to get stuck in and wallow in it.
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Running backs and WRs don't get tackled during or immediately after attempting to throw the football; a QB who has just thrown a pass, like Rodgers yesterday, is extremely vulnerable because he's not in a position to protect himself from the collision with the defender or with the ground, and his shoulder is particularly vulnerable in that situation. That's the main reason why we need different rules to protect QBs and the hit on Rodgers is a great example of that.Yeah. He could have lessened the hit no doubt as it was obvious Rogers got rid of the ball. It doesn't bother me simply because I want quarterbacks to have to play actual NFL football too instead of flag football. He was tackled high, with arms wrapped. Didn't go for head. Didn't go for knees. Exactly the kind of tackles you want your guys to make on defense.
It's not "making the QB wear a dress," as some have said; it's protecting the most important player on the team, who happens to be uniquely vulnerable to injury because of what his position demands that he do.
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Your original point--that Foles put up big numbers in Chip Kelly's system, therefore we can't trust any numbers put up by a QB in Chip Kelly's system--is so devoid of logic on its face that it's barely worth responding to. I'm not arguing that Kaepernick is an elite QB; only that he is better than almost all the backups in the league and a fair number of the starters, especially when you look at the list of starting QBs going into week 7. As evidence to support that argument, I pointed to statistics from his most recent season in the NFL, playing for a team that was almost totally devoid of offensive talent. Furthermore, Kaepernick has been in the league for quite a few years and has played at a fairly high level in the past, so it's not like his 2016 season was a total outlier.Actually, that wasn't my point, but I'm not exactly shocked that you didn't get that either.
The point is that the case you made to support your argument is a weak one. I demonstrated that by showing a parallel situation with a conclusion that is the opposite of what your theory would suggest.
And do you think for 2 seconds that Nick Foles would be in the league if he were mired in controversy?
As to your last sentence, I think you are acknowledging that the reason Kaepernick is not in the league is because of his outspoken stance regarding perceived racial injustice. Which is precisely the basis for his grievance.
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The tackle itself was OK; it was the timing that made it dirty. The ball was away well before Barr hit Rodgers, and Barr clearly could have pulled up or held back but didn't. I agree with you that the hit on Clay was dirty, but that's just the kind of organization the Bengals are...garbage.Looked like a clean hit on the QB to me. Unfortunate result of injury, but the hit was clean.
They need to let guys hit quarterbacks more in my opinion. And that hit was as textbook as they get.
If you want to see a dirty hit, go look at the hit in the Cincy game that knocked Clay out with. Defender unnecessarily targeted Clay's knee.
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He absolutely could have let up. The ball was well away by the time he hit Rodgers. I've seen that same play flagged dozens of times, in and out of the pocket.He could have let up I think or at least tried to let up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional.
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What did you think about Barr's hit on Rodgers? I thought it was dirty.First off hope you beat the Bucs next week. Second now I know how you guys have felt at times after yesterday, ouch. Hopefully you guys can go to the Superbowl now that were out of it.
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That was in 2013. Foles was a very good QB that year. After that, he was injured and didn't play nearly as well. Big deal. And guess what? Foles is still in the league.The claasic question is raised again: Are you dumb or dishonest?*
You post a single datapoint (TD/INT) from a single season as the proof that he's good, and thus imply he's not starting because he's part black. I showed an example of another player with an even more impressive TD/INT stat in the same system as Kaepernick, and who no one thinks is good despite him being white.
So are you pretending not to understand the point, or were you genuinely too stupid to figure it out on your own?
* These are not mutually exclusive
If your point is that everything a QB does in a Chip Kelly system needs to be ignored (because it's such an awesome system for QBs?), it's a ridiculous argument. My point was simply that in his most recent season in the NFL, for a team nearly devoid of NFL talent, Kaepernick performed pretty damn well. Are you pretending not to understand the point, or are you too stupid to figure it out on your own?
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In the stats that matter, like YPA, he was bottom third of starters in the league, but ahead of employed folks like Rivers, Eli, Flacco, Wentz...and check out his receiving corps in SF last year. Putrid, worse than what Tyrod's got this year. At any rate, Kaepernick is plenty good enough to have a job in the NFL, and probably a starting job, at that.Yards, yards per game, completion percentage, ypc, ypa...
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It was both.Rodgers is my favorite player in the NFL, but that hit was neither late nor dirty with him outside of the pocket.
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All that proves is that you're free to beat women, kill dogs and smoke dope...but try speaking out for racial justice and you're untouchable.Exactly. Zeke Elliott, Mike Vick in the past, Leveon bell. If you are good, owners will sign you
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Like what? Pro Football Reference ranked him 17th last year, ahead of Tyrod, Rivers, Eli, Flacco, and a lot of other currently fully employed QBs.He was in the bottom quarter of the league in most stats. Look it up.
So it didn't count?Wasn't that in the same system that saw Nick Foles throw 27 TDs to 2 INT?
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Then why did you predict that they would trounce us?Remember the Cardinals, Rams and Brady less pats last year?
I have no idea what the Broncos and Falcons records will be when the dust settles but right now they don't look like very good teams so yes our wins over them mean very little have the classic asterisk next to them.
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you are simply wrong. Last year, in 11 starts, he threw for 16 TDs and only 4 ints. He ranked near the middle of the pack of NFL starters. So the narrative that Kaepernick sucks is a false one.This entire situation is just bizarre. He quit his contract voluntarily. He was not a good Qb. Even BEFORE his political "stance/knee" he looked like hot garbage. The summer before he left he had three surgeries and came back super thin. He lost his biggest upside as a QB - his size/speed ratio. Some attributed it to a vegan diet, regardless, it happened. I see him and RGIII in the same boat. Cleveland gave RGIII and chance and see where that got em.
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Isn't that exactly what he's doing?If he feels he's being wronged, then he should explore options within the collective bargaining agreement. It'll be investigated, and a decision will be made. Instead of being fully played out in the media.
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Thank GodXrays negative. Winston feels he'll play
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How so?don't get so full of yourself, this will probably be merged with the ongoing PPP thread
this is football related. Green Bay may be looking for a QB but this law suit might block Kaepernick's ability to talk to GB
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Romo on James Harrison: "He just never ages." Uh-hu.
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Yes, that mitigates it a little. The only way it makes any sense is if you pin them on their own 1, which is very tough to do.They did get the hold on the receiving team though and get them back to the 10.
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FG would be an even worse choice. It's a 53-yarder, and if you miss, they get the ball at the 43 yard line. And you're already up two scores, so the 3 points don't do much.Or kick the field goal?
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It's amazing how little imagination there is throughout the league. Steelers have 4th and 2 from the Chiefs' 36, up 12-3. What do they do: try to lure the Chiefs offside and then punt. Touchback. Chiefs' ball on their own 20.
So you give up about a 55-60% shot at making a first down, keeping the clock rolling, and maybe getting another touchdown, to pick up 16 yards of field position. Pathetic. And this is from Tomlin, one of the best coaches in the league.
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Yes, he is. He might not make it through the year.Dirk Koetter is EH.
Kaepernick Files Grievance Against NFL Owners
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