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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
Bills have had discussions late tonight with Browns about 4 overall.
What I don’t understand is, why all this action six weeks before the draft? Don’t remember this happening before.
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4 hours ago, GrizzReaper said:
That could be great for Indy... I can see why your buddy likes the idea. Then again it could be horrible bc Luck is proven as a capable QB and there's no way to be sure whomever they pick will pan out. QB is a very important position if I was the GM for the Colts there's no way I'm giving up a franchise QB for unknown quantities... Regardless of his bionic shoulder and bloated paycheck. Just my opinion.
Stop. Luck is a huge medical question mark, as well as an overrated and overpaid player. No one is trading those kind of assets for him until he proves he’s healthy, especially in a qb draft like this one.
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2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Decent indicator of anticipation and accuracy. Most college QB's below a 59% career completion percentage drafted in the 1st round are a bust. Michael Vick being the outlier.
Go watch him in the Senior Bowl and in the Potato (!) Bowl. Scouts will put more stock in game tape of Allen than his bare completion percentage, especially at a school like Wyoming, where he’s throwing to a bunch of one and two star guys.
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Just now, Doc Brown said:
What was his completion %?
What does one have to do with the other? When did college completion percentage become the main criterium for NFL success?
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33 minutes ago, Augie said:
But he does not appear to be a natural thrower of the football.
How is Allen not a natural thrower of the football?
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24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
It makes no sense to take Allen anywhere in the 1st round.
Then why is there serious talk that he will be the first overall pick or, at worst, fourth off the board? I know you’re only expressing your opinion, but a lot of NFL scouts apparently disagree strongly. Maybe college completion percentage isn’t a great predictor if NFL success; it it were, Kellen Moore would be an all-pro by now. And EJ Manuel wouldn’t suck.
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5 minutes ago, Nitro said:
Here is a scenario no one wants to see. Cleveland takes Rosen at 1. Bills trade with the Colts for 3 and NY Giants select Darnold then trade him to the NY Jets for a slew of picks in the draft.
I would love to see the Jets waste a slew of high picks on that turnover machine from QB Bust University. And I would love it if we got Allen or Mayfield.
Oh, and we could then swap picks with the Browns so that they could pick Barkley, recouping another pick or two.
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9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
That's a fair point, but why wait until the draft? If they had traded Glenn for a 3rd rounder no one would have batted an eye. They've been trying to trade him and they got a good offer. I'm not sure there's anything else to read into there.
Maybe part of the reason for doing the trade now is freeing up cap room to sign someone like McCarron.
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8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
It is still conceivable that we use 12 on a player like Roquon Smith and take our QB at 22. A trade up for a QB is probably more likely but I wouldn't make any assumptions yet.
No. I have to believe this trade is made with yet another move in mind. Otherwise, why do it now? No one really has any idea now who will be on the board at 12, so it can’t be for a particular player.
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8 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:
I would be very upset if we traded tre white for foles.
And if we trade White for Foles, it probably means we will NOT be moving up for a QB in the draft.
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9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
Then why not hold back the entire deal?
My not be possible due to TT contract, but that’s just a guess. Or the deal could be contingent on something else happening.
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2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:
Why would they make half of a trade official?
Don’t want other teams to know in advance about the deal.
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4 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:
Barkley will not get past Indy
Yes he will. Indy will either trade the pick, or take Bradley Chubb. They aren’t taking a RB there.
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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Yes, they need to free up cap space for FA, rookies, and injuries. The only cap they need to free up NOW is the $10.9M they're over the cap. And yes, they got to do that by Weds. And trading Foles only gives them $5.2M, so they still need to do other stuff as well even if they do trade him.
I don't think I'm "grossly misinformed" to look at the Eagles cap info and understand that trading Foles is neither necessary nor sufficient to get them under the cap, and while the Eagles will have to make some hard choices, they do have choices they can make.
I think it's a pretty good call that Roseman has his plan. And maybe it involves trading Foles, if that's what he sees as the team's best interest. But if he does, he'll do it because he gets the return he wants (not the one he's advertising necessarily) and sees it as the team's best path, not because he has to. The Michael Bennett trade surprised me; I don't see Roseman doing that if he didn't know just where the cap money was coming from.
Designating guys post June-1 doesn't work for the purpose of staying under the cap once the league year starts; you may know this,but I'm mentioning it because a lot of people don't realize if a guy is designated "post June 1", it means his full current cap hit stays on the books until June 1.
As this post and the one it was responding to show, there is a deep reservoir of football knowledge here on TSW.
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1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:
Couldn't disagree more. Barkley is the closest thing to a can't miss prospect in this entire draft. CLE has the draft capital to take Barkley first and move up to two or 3 IF they have a strong QB preference. I'd actually be surprised if they pick at 1 and 4, as 2 and 3 have already been put up for " sale". They really can have their proverbial cake here.
Barkley will be a very good player, but he’s still just a RB, which means (a) the drop off between him and the next best option at the position is not great, and (b) his career will probably not last more than 6 years. A great QB would still be winning games for the Browns for perhaps a decade after Saquon is retired. The only way Barkley at 1 makes any sense is if the Browns truly don’t care which QB they end up with, which I find hard to believe. And there is a very good chance they could pick their preferred QB at 1 AND get Barkley at 4.
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2 minutes ago, mileena said:
Cleveland is drafting Saquan Bakley with the first pick, not Darnold. And there is no way we give up that much for Mayfield.
If the Browns use the first overall pick on a RB in this draft it will be the dumbest move they have ever made--and that's saying a lot.
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12 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:
So trade a possible 2nd round pick to evaluate a QB for a year? And if he doesn’t work out dump him? That seems like an incredible waste of draft capital... if your suggesting the Bills wouldn’t also draft a QB.
Still a pretty high price for a 1 year rental.
Remember, it's a late second round pick and there is at least some evidence that Foles could turn into a long-term solution. And he's got a cheap contract for the duration of that 1-year rental.
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20 minutes ago, joesixpack said:
You think. Let’s say that they stay put and Rosen Darnold Rudolph Allen and even Jackson are gone. Then what? What’s your alternative
I did not say “stay put”. I said, don’t panic and overpay to move up. I’m convinced there will be opportunities to land someone good without giving up a king’s ransom.
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1 minute ago, joesixpack said:
Question:
is a franchise that hasn’t had a real qb in 20 years not the definition of desperate?
The last 20 years has nothing to do with now. Last year we made the playoffs with a mediocre QB who is now gone. We will sign a veteran and draft a rookie. There are multiple good options in both categories and we have the resources to get it done. Hence, no need to panic.
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33 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:
Eagles were a franchise QB away, they were loaded at nearly every position besides QB.
And they were fortunate enough to unload Sam Bradford to Minnesota, thereby recouping much of what they paid to move up for Wentz.
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I don’t disagree that there is a chance but the small chance isn’t worth the large investment. If McCarron is $7-$10M I am okay with it. If he gets a Glennon contract I think it is stupid.
If the Bills are planning to give up a bunch of picks to move into the top 4, then I agree that McCarron probably doesn't make sense, since they will expect that rookie to start sooner rather than later. But he might make sense if the Bills aren't in love with any of the Big 4 and either don't plan to move up at all, or would only move up to 10 or so if one of the Big 4 slides.
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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I guess then I don’t believe that McCarron is worth 2-3 more wins than McCown.
You might be right. (I like McCown more than most people; I thought he played very well for the Jets last year, under the circumstances.) But the interesting thing about AJ McCarron is that no one knows how good he can become. Maybe McCarron's another Jimmy Garappolo; Cleveland saw enough last year that they were going to give up a second and a third for him. (I know, not really a ringing endorsement.) The Bills will still pick a QB early if they sign McCarron, but McCarron gives them another chance (albeit a relatively small one) to find a franchise QB. McCown, although a good bridge guy, doesn't.
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21 minutes ago, Lurker said:
How about #65 this year and next year's second? That's like saying Foles for TT and next year's #2.
That's a deal I do eight days a week. And one very few teams could likely top...
No need to throw in next year’s 2. Eagles will do the deal for Pick 56, no matter what they say now.
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1 hour ago, Lurker said:
Philly can huff and puff about wanting a first or more for Foles, but they're over a barrel. They'll get nothing if he's on the roster at the end of 2018. Now they could hold off and hope another team has an injury and gets desperate. But IMO, they'll eventually jump on something like this year's #2 and a 2019 second round pick--which I'd be happy to oblige...
That’s wayyyyyy too much. He’ll be traded for a 2d, period. If anyone had offered two 2s, the Eagles would have swooped down on it.
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