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Yes, that was last year.
With everyone coming back, the first time we've had all 5 OL coming back in 15 years, Tyrod getting all the camp reps as "the man" and another year to gel with WRs and everyone to learn an offense, you expect improvement without major additions.
Maybe. But there were significant holes on offense that need to be filled: To name a few, the right side of the offensive line, another dangerous WR besides Sammy, a RB who can fill in when Karlos and/or McCoy are hurt, and of course, a QB to develop behind Tyrod who won't completely melt down when he's asked to come off the bench or start a few games.
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OR, since we have all 11 starters on Offense coming back, we can focus on shoring up the D to the newer scheme.
Despite some reasonably good team statistics, I for one was not at all satisfied with the offense last year. Many of the gaudy stats were put up during garbage time and/or when the Bills were trailing big and the other team was playing prevent. On the flip side, the offense consistently came up small at the end of games when some sort of score was needed to tie or take the lead.
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19TH pick Reggie Ragland ILB, Alabama
49th pick Veron Butler DT, Louisana Tech
80th pick Kyler Frackel OLB Utah St
117th pick Cyrus Jones CB, Alabama
139th pick Dak Prescott QB Mississippi St
192nd pick Antonio Morrison OLB Florida
218th pick Justin Simmons FS Boston College
In other words, Wrecks has broken the defense to such a degree that 6 out of 7 draft picks (including the first four) must be devoted to fixing it. Disgraceful.
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Do you mean to say that the Bills should not, as at least one poster here suggests, tank this year for the chance to draft Watson? (I think he may have used the term "go all in".). Shocking.Watson is being seriously overrated as an NFL prospect. He's a hell of a college QB, but until he shows he can go to a second read I won't be sold at all. Also I suspect Clemson listing him as 6'2" is generous. But there's a whole year to see how he progresses and measures.
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I am--in the 2d, or the 3d.For the record, I am not coming around to Ragnuts.
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Tell the Rams Gurley isn't an important piece of their success. Minny wouldn't have been a playoff team without a reficukous 4.5 ypc from AP.
Oh, and the Vikings had by far the worst offense of any team in the playoffs last year, despite having the best running back in the league (and the best of his generation). And they didn't exactly light up the scoreboard in their lone (home) playoff game.
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Tell the Rams Gurley isn't an important piece of their success.
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By all means, tell us more about the Rams' "success". I must have missed it. All I can remember is that they had
one ofthe worst offensesin the league, despite having this wonderous talent at RB. Not exactly poster boys for the "running backs still matter" argument. -
Sorry, but this article doesn't dispell anything. Of course RBs drafted in the first round will tend to outperform RBs taken later. That's true of every position. The fact is that the difference between a first round guy and a guy taken in the late round or as UFA is often not very great and furthermore, very few of the recent first rounders are getting second contracts with the teams that drafted them. E Elliott might be the exception that proves the rule. And the article doesn't bother to mention that Elliott is so highly valued largely because he is so effective in the passing game, both as a blocker and as a receiver. Ask the Chargers how smart it is to draft a RB in the first round.Great article on NFL RB value in 2016. Bleacher Report, so need to copy and paste link to browser
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So if really good kickers or running backs were scarce, would that mean we should take one in the first round? What about positional value?If one resource is scarce and another is plentiful, obtaining the scarce resource must be a priority (why some people say draft a QB in the first every year until you have one). In this scenario its the LBs that are scarce so I have no problem with them picking one early and then getting a DL in a later round.
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i sincerely hope this does not reflect the thinking at OBD.I still think LB in the first
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The idea that this team needs to use its first two picks on defense--just to fix what Rex broke--is a travesty, and the possibility that this would cause us to pass on a potential franchise QB, makes it totally unacceptable. The only thing that could be worse, would be using those picks on DT and/or ILB.I don't see Whaley selecting a qb in the first round. He has said it a number of times that it is a priority for him to end the playoff drought. Odds are that he is going to use his first two picks to bolster the defense that Rex mismanaged last year.
Cook certainly would be a good selection for Denver, and if he is still available a good selection for Dallas in the second round. What also needs to be noted regarding Cook is that his receiving corps was not very good. His receivers were not adept at getting open.
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Nonsense. I don't recall anyone here advocating for Geno with the 8th pick three years ago, and even if there were, I have no idea what that has to do with Cardale Jones in 2016 in any event. Bizarre.I wonder how many of the Cardale Jones voters are the same ones who were clamoring for the Bills to pick Geno Smith and his dazzling stats with the #8 pick three years ago.
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This is the drafting philosophy that has made the Bills great. Well done.I am going all in with TT and not wasting a pick on another project. EJ can be backup this year.
Our cap situation is forcing us to have value players that can contribute immediately. We need pass rushers and fast linebackers and another safety now. Forget the QB position for this year.
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I did not say anything about giving up picks for him. But if he is there in the 3d it would be idiotic not to pick him because our "board" has him rated as a 4th.It has nothing to do with the Russell Wilson situation because neither one of us knows how high the Bills have him rated. I have already argued that Jones will go higher than many people think due to his enormous potential, but I still don't want the Bills to give up picks to get him.
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You mean, just like Buddy did with Russell Wilson? You make it sound like they are just applying a mathematical formula. It's far more subjective, especially when it comes to a QB. Jones will probably go higher than many think he "deserves", but if he succeeds, the team that took him will have scored a major coup and the teams that "stuck to their boards" will be rightly second-guessed.They would be betting on his boom potential. IMO, they shouldn't give up picks for him. Instead they should place a value on him and draft him if he falls where that value is.
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Transcendent? First, the opposition had almost no game film on Jones and next, would it surprise you if the opponent's game plan was to take away the run game and make the 3rd string QB beat them?
That doesn't wow me much. WRT Manuel, I am not saying that he wasn't a bit of a reach in round 1, but I am saying that he has a similar tool set to Jones and produced a LOT more in college than Jones did.
If Jones was not transcendent in that three-game run, then he wasn't far from it. He threw the ball to all parts of the field with great accuracy, made sound decisions with the ball and was uncanny in his ability to pick up key first downs by scrambling and by designed runs. And this was against three of the top teams the country, including a heavily favored Alabama team with a top-tier defense.
I realize that Manuel had a much more extensive body of work, but he played for an FSU team that was stacked with NFL talent and made a living beating the snot out of teams like Wake Forest, NC State, etc. When he played against a real defense in a game that mattered, he could barely complete a forward pass.
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The guy that he lost his job to at Ohio State is not likely a NFL prospect at QB, so it would be hard for me to get on board with Cardale Jones as anything more than a late round prospect.
I know that he "has all the physical tools", but frankly so does EJ Manuel and Manuel had a LOT more starting experience in college at a high level of competition and Manuel's college stats were better.
How about this difference: In the biggest game of his college career (against Florida) EJ was cover-your-eyes awful. In the biggest games of his career, on the biggest stage imaginable, Cardale Jones was transcendent.
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You are probably right, but something tells me that Cardale won't make it to round 3. Despite his flaws, the upside is just too great. And there is that incredible run of games he put together during OSU's championship drive. Not many "project" QBs have that kind of thing on their resumes. I think he would be an ideal guy to groom behind Tyrod for a few years. And if he ever recaptures the magic, the sky is the limit.No way I consider him worth the risk in the 2nd either. I have said previously trading back into the third after we have made our pick is as early as I'd go. If he is gone before that then so be it. He is a long shot to make it in the NFL in my opinion but if he does he will make it big because the tools are there.
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He is a huge risk, no question about it. No problem with taking that risk but not with
one ofour first3picks.Fixed
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The problem with Bills Vet's argument is that it is all or nothing. As an example I would say that the Bills ran the ball well last year. He would say no they didn't because they were 8-8. They ran the ball more effectively than any team in the league but he doesn't view it that way.
They have added a lot of talent. He would disagree and point to the record. It doesn't work that way. The record is made up of good and bad aspects on and off the field. The combination of all of these variables dictates the eventual outcome.
I would agree that the Bills' talent-level has improved over the past three years and that they seem to have drafted better over that time. Their improved record is evidence of that. However, to say that their drafting/talent level is among the tops in the league is simply not supported by any real evidence that I can find.
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010 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Haden, Joe CB Florida Pick 7 2 Ward, T.J. FS Oregon Pick 6 (38) 2 Hardesty, Montario RB Tennessee Pick 27 (59) (From Cowboys through Eagles) 3 McCoy, Colt QB Texas Pick 21 (85) (From Patriots through Raiders) 3 Lauvao, Shawn OL Arizona State Pick 28 (92) (From Jets) 5 Asante, Larry SS Nebraska Pick 29 (160) (From Jets) 6 Mitchell, Carlton WR South Florida Pick 8 (177) 6 Geathers, Clifton DE South Carolina Pick 17 (186) (From Panthers)
2011 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Taylor, Phil DT Baylor Pick 21 (From Kansas City) 2 Sheard, Jabaal DE Pittsburgh Pick 37 2 Little, Greg WR North Carolina Pick 59 (From Cowboys Atlanta) 4 Cameron, Jordan TE USC Pick 102 4 Marecic, Owen FB Stanford Pick 124 (From Atlanta) 5 Skrine, Buster DB Chatanooga Pick 137 5 Pinkston, Jason OT Pittsburgh Pick 150 (From NY Giants via Minnesota) 7 Hagg, Eric DB Nebraska Pick 2482012 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Richardson, Trent RB Alabama Pick 3 (From Minnesota) 1 Weeden, Brandon QB Oklahoma Pick 22 (From Atlanta) 2 Swartz, Mitchell OT California Pick 37 3 Hughes, John DT Cincinnati Pick 87 (From Denver) 4 Benjamin, Travis WR Miami Pick 100 4 Johnson, James-Michael LB Nevada Pick 120 (From Denver) 5 Miller, Ryan OG Colorado Pick 160 (From Denver) 6 Acho, Emmanuel LB Texas Pick 17 204 6 Winn, Billy DT Boise St. Pick 205 7 Wade, Trevin DB Arizona Pick 245 7 Smelley, Brad FB Alabama Pick 2472013 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Mingo, Barkevious RE LSU Pick 6 3 McFadden, Leon CB San Diego St. Pick 68 6 Slaughter, Jamoris SS Notre Dame Pick 175 7 Bryant, Armonty DE East Central Pick 217 (From Miami) 7 Gilkey, Garret OT Chardron Pick 227 (From Bengals through 49ers)2014 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St. Pick 8 (From Vikings) 1 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M Pick 22 (From Eagles) 2 Bitonio, Joel OT Nevada Pick 35 3 Kirksey, Christian OLB Iowa Pick 71 3 West, Terrance RB Towson Pick 94 (From 49ers) 4 Desir, Pierre CB Lindenwood Pick 127 (From Colts)2015 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Shelton, Danny DL Washington Pick 12 1 Erving, Cameron OL Florida St. Pick 19 2 Orchard, Nate LB Utah Pick 51 3 Johnson, Duke RB Miami Pick 77 3 Cooper, Xavier DL Washington St. Pick 96 4 Campbell, Ibraheim DB Northwestern Pick 115 4 Mayle, Vince WR Washington St. Pick 24 6 Gaines, Charles DB Louisville Pick 189 6 Johnson, Malcolm FB Mississippi St. Pick 195 6 Telfer, Randall TE USC Pick 198 7 Pullard, Hayes LB USC Pick 219 7 Ekpre-Olomu, Ifo DB Oregon Pick 241Ok. Great. The Bills have drafted better over the past five years than the Cleveland Browns, whose draft and win-loss records are simply deplorable (although it looks like they did have a nice draft in 2015). The point being debated was where exactly the Bills drafting ranks, league-wide, over that period, not whether they are at the absolute bottom. I would suggest, as did Bills Vet, that looking at a team's win-loss record is a pretty good indication of how well they have drafted. Your post does nothing to disprove that.
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You totally avoided the question. What teams have acquired more talent in the draft recently than the Bills. If you say that they are bad at drafting (as you have) I would expect at least 16 examples (half of the league) of teams that have drafted better over the last 5 years.
The Bills have gone from a 6 win team to a 9 win team to an 8 win team with young talent (and poor coaching). Again, you said that they are bad at drafting. I asked you to go through the teams that have drafted better over the last 5 years. Unless you have 16 of them you remain wrong.
With all due respect, that's a silly request. It is all but impossible to quantify who drafted "the best" over a five year period. How would you measure such a thing? How many pro bowlers were drafted, in which case a kicker might count the same as a franchise qb? (As BADOL would argue, what's important is how you do at drafting the key positions, like QB, edge rusher, and WR.) How many starters were drafted, in which case lousy teams will look better because they had more holes to fill? BV's point is that its very difficult to measure how well a team has drafted by simply analyzing and comparing the drafts pick-by-pick. Instead, he takes a results-oriented approach: How well has your team done on the field of play, in real NFL games? It's not a perfect measure, because there are other factors like coaching, free agents, etc, but since most everyone agrees that the draft is the best way to build a winning team, then W-L record is a pretty good proxy for how well you have drafted. It's hard to argue the point, IMO.
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We definitely disagree here. Ansah has 30 sacks in his first 3 seasons including 14.5 last year. Richardson is a nice player with question marks off the field. Ansah is a star.
Fine. They are both very good players. Richardson has probably been the best player on a very good Jets defense and was very good from his first game as a rookie.
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your talking about a team with significant injuries that went 8-8......
Look, let's not forget that the Bills went 6-8 during the competitive portion of the season, including losses to two mediocre-poor teams in games they had to win toward the end of the season.
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