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A LB went right after them. No doubt they thought Ragland was their first choice and the Bills jumped ahead.
-- And Smith and Jack already went too. So Ragland was the third LB to go.
Correa is an outside linebacker and edge rusher. Totally different (and much more valuable) position.
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I do not understand why they can't just be patient and let the draft come to them. There were LOTS of good players still on the board. And there is no indication that Ragland was about to be taken by someone else. Not a single ILB was off the board.
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It is entirely reasonable to look at trading down if you are Cleveland. So yes.
I bet Cleveland would unload the pick for a 2017 first rounder. Would you make that deal?
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Bradford, Kaepernick, and Fitzy are all playing a losing game where rafter last night, they are losing leverage by the minute. If Fitzy really wants to retire, ok, but if it's a tactic, all of them may get the short end of the stick.
Yes, but their leverage will start to rise again when QBs around the league arrive at training camps, playing in (meaningless) preseason games, and start dropping like flies. Happens every year.
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It appears like the difference between #49 and #32 is a third round pick. What do you guys think? I'm down with it if he doesn't need micro. I mean Shaq and Jack in our front 7, and then 2 4ths, 5th and 2 6ths-sounds pretty darn good.
Gee, assuming Jack is healthy, you don't think any other teams have the same idea, do you? I'm guessing the real value of Cleveland's pick is a lot higher than what any "trade value chart" says it is.
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@adamschefter
Dr. James Andrews, who examined Myles Jack in December, told the UCLA LB today that he does not need micro-fracture surgery.
Um, he told him the day after the first round of the draft? Wtf
No problem. Only cost the kid about $30 million.
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Here you go Yolo, I can vouch for him. Comes through at big times
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/malcolm-mitchell?id=2555216
Doesn't seem like a Rd 2 guy. Also, not sure what he could deliver that Robert Woods can't. Hell, he might be older than Woods.
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Here in Portland, the procedure is known as "Greg Oden Surgery".It's a risky procedure. If it's a "he must have it in the coming year" situation, he's probably darn near as risky as jaylon. If it's a "he will last a few years" he should go quick.
The 2 things I've really tried to push in his threads are micro fracture is a really rough procedure, and you have to trust your Medicals (and not rumors or fan opinion or...)
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And the joke is on the idiots who didn't think he was worth spending a 7th round pick on. He is an absolute beast. Every Cowboys game I saw last year, he was flat-out mauling people.La'el Collins got invited last year and went undrafted. Another odd circumstance.
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I wouldn't hate that. Hoping they go WR, OT or QB. Michael Thomas would be nice, but probably gone by 49.if Cook is available and we don't take him we are morons.
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I agree. If you told me last year at this time that Cook would be available in round 2, I would have thought you were crazy. I thought he might go 1 overall.i think cook is their guy, but could be wrong. I think he's a very good fit there tbh.
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That's what it looks like, doesn't it. Any chance they take a different QB? Cardale? Hackenberg?Here comes connor cook to Browns.
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Well, at least the Bills did not trade up for him, as many here were urging them to do.
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Jason Cole @JasonColeBR 1m1 minute ago
Aside from report about #Giants taking Myles Jack, at least two other teams yet to draft took him off board because of his knee.
Perfect for the Bills. They are always smarter than the rest of the league.
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if our team clears him confidently i am fine with a move to get him. if we are shaky on him medically, i wouldnt love a tradeup but would be fine at 19 (assuming the price to get top ten is substantial).
Are we talking about the same medical team that red-flagged Gronk, while giving Cyrus Kouandjio two thumbs-up?
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Ok, since it appears that some things were somewhat overlooked, let me go back and reiterate on a few things.
WEAKNESSES: Elongated delivery. Struggles with accuracy on deep passes. Lacks great mobility that is increasingly valued in the NFL.
That's three huge areas of concern, delivery, deep accuracy and lacks mobility. Then you have to take into consideration that he was playing behind an elite offensive line that gave him time to throw and that simply won't be the case in the NFL.
So, if you are looking to draft the opposite of Tyrod Taylor then have at it. There are real reasons as to why Hogan has a 5th to 6th round grade. Guys like him are huge projects that have very slim odds of working out.
READ THIS~ http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-dataThere are legitimate concerns about Hogan, but lack of mobility is definitely not one of them. He is a highly mobile QB, especially for his size. This is backed up by his 40 times, his rushing statistics, and the fact that even in its pro-set offense, Stanford regularly called designed runs for him. Anyone who watched more than a few Stanford games over the past four years knows that Hogan's mobility is a strength rather than a limitation. He reminds me a lot of Andrew Luck in that regard.
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Innaresting take, and I agree in part.
I looked up the drafting records of The League wrt the QB position going back to 1996. Over that time period 238 QBs were drafted1. The Bills drafted four QBs - nearly a League low2. However, the first QB drafted in that period was JP - yes, that JP in 2004.
So, I thought I would use 2004 as the "turning point" time frame to focus on. Including the 2004 draft teams have drafted an average of 4.6 QBs.
Taking that perspective, it seems The Bills are a little more mainstream these days. 5 teams have drafted fewer than 4 QBs in that time frame. 11 teams - including The Bills have drafted 4 QBs, 10 teams have drafted 5 QBs during that same period. While 4 teams have drafted 6 QBs and only the JESTS and Denver have broken the curve by drafting 8 in that 12 year period.
These are the stats of the matter:
Team QBs Drafted from 2004 to 2015 Jacksonville 2 Dallas 2 Seattle 3 New Orleans 3 Detroit 3 Sand Diego 4 Pittsburgh 4 Oakland 4 Miami 4 Kansas City 4 Indianapolis 4 Houston 4 Giants 4 Carolina 4 Buffalo 4 Atlanta 4 Washington 5 Tennessee 5 Tampa Bay 5 San Fran 5 Philadelphia 5 Pats* 5 Minnesota 5 Cincinatti 5 Chicago 5 Arizona 5 St Louis 6 Green Bay 6 Cleveland 6 Baltimore 6 Jets 8 Denver 8
1Edit: 238 is the correct number.
2Edit: Dallas actually only drafted 3 Qbs since 1996.
I hope The Bills select a QB this year.
Very interesting. Thanks. Does put things in perspective. I note, however, that New England, who had (and still has) the ultimate Franchise QB during this time, still drafted more QBs than the Bills did.
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This is the game for anyone that wants to watch. Hogan actually had a very good outing, one of his better games.
Yep, Hogan looked very good against a pretty talented defense, on the road. And it's flat-out crime that McCaffrey did not win the Heisman Trophy.
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Kevin Hogan (looking like Connor Cook against Alabama), against ....Northwestern.
Yes, he had a bad game. How did you like the film of the USC game, two weeks later?
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I have to admit to not being a big Hogan guy at the beginning of this process...
I've changed my opinion on him...And it's not just me...I think when you take the time to look at him, and what he's accomplished on the field...It's hard to ignore...When I was watching the RSP Scouting Film on Hogan Matt Waldman pretty much mirrored my initial thoughts on him...Career back-up... But after watching his tape, Waldman came away thinking better of Hogan...And so have I...And I do think he's a guy you can wait a little bit on...
The one thing I've noticed about Hogan is his pocket presence...He's not afraid to step up and take a hit in order to deliver the ball...He does not rattle easily...And I think this is such a key trait in an NFL QB...After you get the accuracy (over 65% in his last 2 years combined) and arm ability checked off (Hogan's arm is passable...Not the best but certainly good enough...) the next most important trait in a NFL QB, IMHO, is the ability to stand tall in the pocket and take the hit in order to deliver the ball...You see so many of these College kids come in looking great...Then they get knocked around a bit and wilt...And then it's over...I think Hogan is a tough-guy QB...He's a winner...He's smart (reported 38 on the Wonderlic), and he's coming out of a Pro system...His arm delivery is a little weird, but it's not a wind-up...he gets rid of it fast enough...And he's definitely athletic enough...
I've gone from wincing at the thought of Hogan to actually hoping the Bills Draft him...That's a long way to come...
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/10/06/stanford-qb-david-hogan-a-study-in-pocket-presence/
Same here. Living on the West Coast, I have probably seen 25 Stanford games the past four years. I was not a Hogan fan after his first two years at Stanford, but he has improved a lot. I really like his toughness and the fact that he has thick, sturdy body that is able to take punishment. And I like his mobility/running ability, which I think is underrated. He would be a very good mid-round pickup for the Bills, or just about any team, for that matter.
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Only the US Supreme Court, but it's highly unlikely they would agree to hear a case like this.Good. Any more appeal avenues?
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Belichick has masterfully worked the system to stockpile lots of valuable picks, but his execution of those picks has been underwhelming, at best. There was one sixth rounder that covered up a lot of crappy picks over the past 10 years. That Gronk pick really hurts, though.http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bill-belichick-nfl-draft-new-england-patriots/
I hope everyone realizes......this is how you do it!
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That's well-stated, HOF Watkins, unlike your "Hogan sucks and would be a wasted pick" take. I partly agree and would love to take Cardale because of his unlimited ceiling and big body. But if you don't get him, I still think a more limited guy like Hogan makes a lot of sense because I put a lot of value on a Fitz/Frank Reich-type back-up QB. I think a guy like Driskell in the sixth or seventh is interesting too. And maybe Adams in that slot, or as a UDFA.
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Love: Laquon Treadwell
Noah Spence (Rd 2)
Hate: Reggie Ragland
Derrick Henry (Rd 2)
Expect: Shaq Lawson
Braxton Miller
2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league
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I don't know it, but the Bills didn't know that Ragland would be gone before 49, either. That's the point. They panicked over a guy at a non-premium position.