Bill from NYC
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I dont understand why some here think TH is SO valuable...look at the way he sulked and played last year....think about his weaknesses we ALL talk about here all the time...bad against picking up the blitz...he sometimes goes invisible in games on the road....sure he ran for 1300, 1400 yards...but I just never have ever gotten that sense the TH was a upper echelon RB. Hes a very good back, but there are a lot more very good RB's then upper echelon ones. And he isnt a great receiving back either.
At this point, if a 3rd rounder is what the Bills get then so be it. AT LEAST the player they will draft can produce for the Bills, think about what TH means to the Bills NOW....really not much.
NE gave up a 2nd for Dillon last year, and Im sorry, I know TH is younger, but Dillon is better then TH, more dymanic, more explosive.
"Homer" mentality, plain and simple.
Nothing wrong with it mind you, until it is presented and or confused with fact.
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I dont think the Browns were going to be drafting a RB anyways, so why would this hurt Travis' value? If Miami stays at #2, they'll definitely take Ronnie Brown, so thats one off the board.
Miami will not take Braylon Edwards...its all a smokescreen that they are trying to put up in order to make Minnesota or Chicago panic. Of course, with those two stupid teams, it could work.
WOW!!!! This kid has always been my favorite player in this draft, but I dont recall having ever seen a player move up THAT much!
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It cost the Bills a 2nd and 5th last year, plus this year's 1st to get the 22nd overall last draft, which they used on JP, so it would take more than next year's 1st and 4th in most years. This year may be different since teams are looking to trade out of the 1st round. I think with QB's it's not a bad move since it gives them a year in the system, and considering that Aaron Rodgers is thought of so little that he may drop all the way to #24 (GB, whereas if people thought much of him he wouldn't make it past TB's first pick at #5)), I think the Bills made the right move in trading up to get JP last year.
It is simply impossible to say whether or not it was a good deal. We lost a 2nd and a 5th, and JP was injured for the bulk of the season. It certainly didn't help the Bills in 04, but that was then.
The qb group in this draft does not look impressive (my favorite is Campbell) so it does seem as if the move was timely, but I need to watch JP play football in a real game before calling this trade the "right move," or for that matter, the wrong move.
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He could stand to gain a few pounds dontcha think ?
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/dema...wareprofile.htm
Nah. With 4.56 speed, I am thinking that with some practice, he could cover TEs and play outside LB. The kid is a pure pass rusher.
Many mocks have Dallas taking him at #11.
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Anything can happen in the draft. Terrell Davis was a sixth round pick, right?
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That's fair. My thread yesterday was a result of watching CB's getting outrageous contracts and realizing Clements is as good as gone after 2005. So we'd get a 3rd round Comp pick for him in 2007. Yippie.
This draft is deep at CB, so that idea isn't drug induced, as some MENSA members suggested.
What I found to be the most stunning thing about the Surtain trade is that he was said to be under contract for 5 mil per year. Not enough, huh?
Do you know how many years he had left on his contract before the trade?Looking at the trade, it is crystal clear from where I sit that NC will be absolutely gone after this year. He will want a salary/bonus on par with that of Walter Jones, perhaps higher. I just cant see Ralph forking over a 15 or 20 million dollar bonus to a corner.
In that sense, there is no reason not to think a trade is at least a possibility.
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Mark-Anything of interest in today's Buffalo News that we might want to know about? I can't wait until 9, when it reaches the web. Anything about kickers? I'm looking 6th or 7th round to give the boot to Lindell, Chris Onorato(Hofstra)or John Marino (McNeese St.). Unfortunately, we'll never get near Nugent. My fears are the Jets will take him in the 2nd.
I'm still going with Adam Terry as our 1st pick. The kid was on Albany's channel 13 a couple of nights ago & said he'd be happy going 2nd or 3rd round.
I only saw a little bit of Terry on the NFL channel. He certainly looks good. Two questions:
1) Have you seen him play much?
2) Why is he, a LT, not projected to go in the 1st, especially in a draft said to be thin at the LT position?
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Henry is going to go for a third round pick to somebody. I don't see the Cardinals buckling, and that's too bad. I for one think Shelton would be a huge addition to the O line. However, just no chance that deal gets done. Too many loopholes and strings attached. If it does I'll eat my words, but I think Henry goes for a draft pick and we all get disappointed at the result.
I say the Bucs or the Eagles.
Big day tomorrow and we don't pick until late 2nd round.
T_R
I would not be the least bit disappointed. In fact, I will come on this board and call TD a genius.
The Bills need better blockers, or at the very least talented depth. I would love to see another LB, a RB, and we WILL see another corner. Another 3rd could help us fill holes, or even open up a door for a trade down.
I hope you are correct.
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I'm not so sure Mick. As much as I would love to see an Offensive Lineman, I am all but sure that they will grab a cornerback with the first selection.
Again, both our corners return kicks, and we all know about NC's contract. The Bills have a history of drafting corners early and letting them walk after a few seasons. T.Smith, Burress, and Winfield come to mind. I am not knocking this philosophy mind you, merely citing it.
Btw, I still place the odds of trading NC today at 25%. Sorry, jmo.
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If the little kid that JP ranked on was your son, perhaps you would sing a different tune. Perhaps not.
Hey, why dont we focus on the "quality player" we are getting for Travis tomorrow, OK?
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That's half of the fun...speculation and opinion. With fantasy sports so big, we are all GM's of our own teams...so we feel our opinions should count.
Speaking of opinions, I still say we didn't trade up to get JP Losman.....he was wanted, but Evans was the key choice that cost us all of our picks.
We knew GB and STL were the teams that wanted JP. At the 13th pick, there hadn't been a front 7 player taken besides Vilma. There was then a run on defense. We could have very easily TRADED DOWN to 18-20, gotten JP, and an extra 2nd in return for the 13th pick.
That would have left us with JP, our 2nd (43) another 2nd (48-50) and a 1st this year (20).
Instead we have JP and Evans. Either Donahoe thinks Evans is a HOF, or he made a poor decision last year. I can't complain the way he played though.
Hey, great post!
TD took a huge chance with Evans, but I was totally impressed with this kid in 04. If he continues to develop, there will be very few players in the NFL that will be more exciting to watch.
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But you know VA, we really need this kid to be a player. I think it is possible, but he needs to shut up.....if for no other reason, so posters here will not actually refer to him as 'Big Cat," perhaps the flimsiest, most lame and candyass stuff I have ever read on all my years on this board.
I would rather read "Travis for Gallery" trade proposals. At least they are funny.
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I am not sure JP is the new Travis. Let's wait and see if he misses blitz pickups, fumbles everygame, switches the ball back and forth between hands while running through the line, picks up 15 year olds at the local gas station and then becomes a prick after the Bills draft a better player and better person in a few years.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot the wrong pass routes, sliding untouched in front of gargantuan holes, dropped passes and a missed team flight to a Miami game.
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Look mr pessimist teams lose players every year either to injury or free agency. Kurt Warner never threw a NFL pass was a third stringer and won the superbow his first year, same with Brady. It is not impossible to make a superbowl run. We already have a superbowl caliber defense and it would do more harm than good to get rid of clements this year when a mediocre qb at best last season fell one game shy of making the playoffs off the coattails of the defense. Also Jennings sucked, thats is why TD didnt offer the tag he was afraid to over pay for him like the 49ers a completley desperate team did. SO i completely disagree with you you will see the tag on clements if a deal is not in place.
Our defense was very good but folded too many times in the clutch. Perhaps some of it can be attributed to the fact that Gray was an inexperienced DC?
I dont know.
Jennings hardly sucked. It is very debateable as to whether or not he is worth what SF is paying him, and I do agree with TD on this move.
As for Warner and Brady, you are correct, this did happen, but that doesn't tell the whole story. The pats are one of the best coached and most well balanced teams of all time, to say nothing of their depth. The Rams had a spectacular OL led by Orlando Pace, with great players at skill positions as well.
Do you really think that the Bills are equal to these teams?
As for Clements, I cannot imagine any scenario in which Mr. Wilson will give him a 15 or 20 million dollar bonus, nor would I want to tie up this kind of cap space at the cb position. I see no reason to lose him and get nothing if a good enough opportunity presents itself to continue to improve this football team.
Jmo.
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Wow, this ranks right up there with "Big Cat!"
Do you guys think that it is good for an unproven nobody to take swipes at a qb who has thrown for 39,000 yards? While Drew was making mistakes, JP was layed up in traction because he brushed up against a defensive back, and an older one at that.
It amazes me that every time this kid utters something classless and or stupid, people liken it to the football equivalent of Shakespeare.
How about if JP survives a real game unscathed, let alone the preseason, before shooting off his mouth at a professional quarterback. He can limit his comments to hapless, defenseless children for a while longer.
How about that?
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Here I thought we were an intelligent bunch of fans. Why in the world would we trade Clements this year? Arent we trying to make a Superbowl run. If we are so concern about him walking next year theres a thing called the "Franchise Tag" then TD could do a sign and trade to the Redkins like he did for Price and the Falcons, since its apparent Clements has hinted going to Gregg Williams system. Then we would have 2 first round picks next year, much negoitating power for TD.
A superbowl run? We lost our left tackle. Our starting qb has throw 5 or so passes and a couple were picks. We have no first round draft choice. Exactly when are we making this great run of which you speak?
The Raiders used the Franchise Tag on Woodson. He happily signed it and now has a 10.15 million dollar no-cut contract, AND he will be a UFA after this season. The tag is not a serious option in this instance.
It is far less easy than you think.
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This "nickname" is based on a harsh remark when he was calling out some little kid. Deserved or not, I prefer to let JP earn a nickname on the football field against grown, professional football playing men.
Sorry, I am not down with this nonsense.
TH draft value, compared with past trades
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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So Travis is better than Dillon. Is that it?