Bill from NYC
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I think the Bills will use at least 2 of the picks in this year's draft to address depth/talent issues on the offensive line. I can also see us looking to acquire depth in the secondary and maybe a defensive lineman as well. Also, I can see us looking at another TE after the June cap cuts. Thoughts?
I am not exactly sure what you mean by "depth" in the secondary. With the very real possibility of losing Clements in 06 and MaGee returning kicks, I am thinking that we need an immediate impact player.
You know me. I have been screaming OL on this board for 7 or so years. I just think that TD will continue the Bills tradition of neglecting the OL and draft a corner with the first selection.
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Quick: Name every back in NFL history who in two consecutive seasons rushed for 2800 yards and scored 25 TDs and caught 70 passes who completely stinks. There must be dozens.
Oh, and while Henry was "losing" all those games for the Bills did he actually "win" the games he scored overtime TDs in, or three touchdowns, or late scores? Or were those team wins but he personally lost the others by, say, tripping on one play?
Okay, 2794 yards.
I am sure the number of backs is greater than the number of qbs who threw for 40,000 yards by the age of 33. Do you want Drew back?
OK, 39,000 yards plus.
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Right, ONE OFFER. Now, let's re-introduce your points of contention:
1) Shelton is out of favor with the coach.
2) His fellow lineman, Davis, was the #2 pick of the draft and making a HUGE salary.
3) He will probably be cut if there is no deal.
Due to several factors, Shelton has little value to his team.
This is our lone offer for TH.
Let's see how TH does this season on another team. Frankly, I cant wait to see him lose games for someone else.
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Oh, I know. I was just harrassing Bill for his pretzel logic over Travis. He continues to say that no team will trade a 5th or 4th or 3rd let alone a 2nd round pick for Travis because he is the worst player ever to put on a uniform. And not only an NFL uniform, but I believe if I am reading correctly, a Pop Warner uniform, a cheerleader uniform and perhaps even the worst football player ever to put on an Arby's Roast Beef uniform.
Yeah Kell, but you are the other extreme.
All he does is lose. The flaws in his game and personality are evident, yet you prop him up as a superstar, and then try to justify the lack of interest around the league.
I concede that many factors determine trade value. Circumstances can make it tough to get much for a very good player like James, let alone a bad one such as your superstar, Travis henry.
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I am saying that you vastly over rate the value of Travis Henry.
He is under contract at a cheap price tag, and yes; this does increase trade value.
If he was even almost as good as described by you, teams would be making us generous offers. The best one we have so far is a lineman from a team that plans to cut him.
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>>>I think he was trying to say one cannot just look at the players ability for what another team will be willing to give up. The Skins gave up a stud DB and a second rounder for Portis last year, plus a huge restructuring of his contract.<<<
Very good point. Have you noticed that the Bills are NOT getting offers such as this for Henry?
He just isn't that good.
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So you think Alexander is bordering on being great and yet no one will trade a second rounder for him? So he must not be worth a second rounder, right? I have heard that refrain from you before.
Or, perhaps, there are a myriad of extenuating circumstances in why or why not a player may be traded (or not traded) for a certain round of draft pick that has little to do with his "worth".
Of course things such as salary matter. If this was not the case the dolphins would certainly grab Alexander and a qb from the Chargers, right?
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Travis Henry, if no deal is completed.
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$$$$ Plain and simple. Alexander is seeking a huge, long term contract with a large bonus. If the Cards feel they need to Draft their QB of the future, then you're talking 5 Mil a year minimum with a 10 Mil + signing bonus. That's probably the ballpark Alexander is asking for also. Same with E. James of the Colts.
The Cards have multiple needs and can't just dump their entire future cap on 2 skill positions, QB and RB. This makes Henry a more attractive option, at present.
I agree 100% Mark.
The thing is, I consider Alexander to border on being great. Travis? Well.....
If this trade is completed, it is going to be fun watching Ariz. having found yet another way to lose.
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James and Alexander are likely not even going to find takers for second round picks, does that mean, with your logic, that they are worth third round or even fourth round picks? Of course not. You cannot look at trades like that over the course of several years. A lot has to do with contract, age, other backs available, what the team is looking to draft, where else they may need to spend money, etc.
The ONLY reason that Faulk went for what he was traded for was because Polian's Colts had a top draft pick and they knew without question they were going to draft Rickey Williams or Edgerrin James. And felt, wrongly, that they had gotten maximum use out Faulk already and didnt want to give him a huge contract. That is why he was traded for the pick he was traded for. Not because he is or isn't worth only a second rounder.
The point I said, that remains, is that if you were going to draft a guy in the second round and you got the production that henry got, you would be thrilled with that second round pick. Most Bills fans were thrilled with Henry as a second round pick until this year and Willis was ready.
And Travis Henry was not losing games for the Bills, it is not only a team game but he was one of the very few players not only producing but trying his ass off.
Just a touch of "homer" mentality in this and your initial post? Nothing at all wrong with this mind you, but it does not lend itself to factual discussion.
When discussing the Faulk trade, you only mention how Polian felt, and why he was willing to take a 2nd and a 5th. Tell me, why did no other team outbid the rams? I think it is because history tells us that, with a few exceptions, RBs tend to have not so high trade value. Dillon, James, and Alexander seem to prove this.
As for "most Bills fans being thrilled with Travis," what would you expect? They were also thrilled with Ostroski, Fina and others when it was time to dump them. Bills fans are loyal, except when it comes to qbs., especially Bledsoe.
As for Travis not losing games, it is hard for me to believe that you are serious. Did you see him sliding on the turf, untouched, on crucial plays this season? Did you see the missed blocks and wrong routes? Do you remember the 1st game Drew played vs. the jests when Travis gave away the football? Please, look at the records of Drew and Travis as starters on the Bills and see who has a better winning percentage. I ask you to also consider that if TH is or was THAT good, why did TD use a 1st round pick on a rb, for no reason? He could have taken Steinbeck and had an immediate impact LG.
In summary, the fact that you are a Travis fan and think that he is worth a 2nd round pick is truly OK. The truth however remains that nobody will give us one.
Agreed?
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I expect to throw up from time to time when posters here call him "Big Cat." Sorry, just TOO lame.
Other than that, a slow start, and then we will see if he is any good.
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I am surprised that nobody mentioned Kelsay.
I am thinking lots of pressure and 10 or more sacks.
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I saw film of this kid on the NFL Channel. True, he played at a smaller school (Troy St.), but he was a flat out monster. The announcer said that Dallas might take him a #11.
He is said to run a 4.6 40 at 259 lbs. The kid reminds me of Kearse.
I am not even into drafting a DE, but would cry tears of joy if we got this kid.
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If you were to draft ANY running back in the second round, and he would turn out to have 700 yards splitting time with two other backs as a rookie, then had back to back 1300-1400 yard seasons with 25 TDs, and then even had an off year, injury prone 4th year, you would think that was an excellent draft pick. Under any circumstances.
Therefore, Henry is worth a #2 draft pick.
So, you are telling us that Henry is as good as Faulk (in his prime), Dillon, Alexander or James?
Besides, while TH was compiling the stats that you mention, he was losing football games for the Bills.
If Henry, "under any conditions" was worth a number 2, a deal would have already been completed, dontcha think?
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TD and MM are always wanting a power running game and with a young, inexperienced QB starting this year, do you think a TH type between the tackle back-up RB be a good solution? After Willis MaGahee massages a defense, would it be good to bring in a fresh power runner? I think so. I would not be surprised if Buffalo picks up a veteran FA RB and goes for other needs/depth in the early rounds of the draft. I think RB Ron Dayne would make an excellent choice to back-up and/or spell WM. Instead of Thunder and Lightning, we can call our RB tandem Bam-Bam.
This team is too young, especially in the backfield, to just go with inexperienced RBs. WM doesn't even have a full year starting under his belt. Throw in that if he ever got plowed in that knee again we would really be up the creek. Don't be shocked if you hear in the near future that Dayne, or someone of that caliber, comes visiting at One Bills Drive.
In a word, NO. Backup RBs need to be less one dimensional than TH.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPGEGBU2KB1.DTL
Asked if he wanted a quarterback who would look people in the eye, Nolan said, "Yes. You want guys also, when he gets in there, the other 10 guys know this is our guy who's going to work." Then Nolan turned to a reporter at his side and said, "I'm with you."
"Certainly, the physical things are what everybody sees and that's all very valuable and that's what gets guys in the (mix)," Nolan said. "To me, the intangible things are really critical. All my years in coaching, those were the guys that were tough to beat, the guys that were good leaders, the guys that commanded the offense, the guys that were very competitive.
"The important thing for me is who's going to get in that huddle, command that huddle, have command presence."
Reading this gets me pumped that we moved up to steal a QB that has the necessary skills and presence to succeed and lead a team. Im ready to cheer this kid on!
Good post, I agree. Nolan probably had JP in mind when he said this. You see, there have been many great quarterbacks, but JP is greater than great.
Last season, he fully proved that he has evey single tool that he needs. There is ZERO doubt that he can handle any situation, and it was heart warming to watch the players gather around him for guidance.
With JP at the helm, the regular season in 05 is a mere formality. The superbowl is ours, and Canton is his!
Let us hereby proclaim......JP is already the best quarterback who ever lived!!!!!
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The Smoking Man took a kindly shot at you because you aren't Libertarian to the hilt. Besides Richio and Debbie, who else in the world is a pure party mouthpiece?
We'd all be idiots if we aligned perfectly with party platforms. I'm a Libertarian who believes in NASA funding, and that the ideals of the party must be tempered by realistic plans. I want the government out of almost everything, but practically speaking, such a goal must be acheived in steps, not all at once.
We all have issues that mean something to us, right JA? You, for whatever reason, are very hung up, if you will, on gay marriages, right?
Imo, this is an issue sold to us by both parties to make us focus less on things that truly matter.
In any event, good luck with YOUR cause.
PS: Telling us how you are married doesn't change much now does it?
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I would expect they'd be the first places clamoring for it.
In 1955 the Federal Tax code was 409,000 words long. Today it is nearly 2,000,000 and it grows every year. The middle class pays the largest portion of the compliance cost. Those who can afford the best advice pay the least, which is the reason Teresa Heinz "Kerry" paid only 12.3% on her gross income in 2003.
Voters in these state were Kerry supporters. Are you now expecting them to be sane?
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DeMarcus Ware
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This is why guys like you, Badoldilz, Jokeman and others are experts. Yes, I am going to use that word.
Imo, Ware looks like a potential superstar. A guy at that size who can run a 4.6 might not need to play in a 3-4, although he does appear to be suited for it. He seems to have the long arms of Bryce Paup, to compliment his blazing speed. Of course, I dont know if he will ever be as strong as Bryce.
Looking at the Bills, I see no dire need for a DE. I rate Denny higher than most, especially as a situational player; and, and I am high on both Schobel and Kelsay. That said, I would be doing cartwheels if the Bills could get a guy with this much talent.
Btw, I mention Bryce in this posting because of how much better he made the Bills defense before he hurt his groin. Imagine if they had a rusher like him on this football team! Bryce not only had a ton of sacks, but his hits were particularly punishing. He also blocked passes with his long arms.
If this kid is as good as I am thinking, teams would be hard pressed to score on the Buffalo Bills.
Is there ANY chance?