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I agree. For example, in your post above, a multi-year-no-holds-barred-no-expense-spared-kick-in-doors-bribe-people-to-flip-while-threatening-with-harsh-prison-sentence investigation that leads to dem puds in hand and zero charges leaves us at “conjecture”. If they only had more time. 🤣

Donald Trump has denied sexually assaulting any woman at any time. He’s never denied chasing as many as he can get. Your awakening on Trump and allegations started in 2015, roughly the time he went from cause celebrë, political and media darling to public enemy number one. That happened for one reason and one reason only— he ran as a R. You keep believing what you must to convince yourself, but that’s the fact Jack. Be that as it may, let’s again assume that Donald Trump rose at night to prey on socialites and wannabes and no one in the media world knew it, or that the most powerful politicians in our country who scrambled to be near him were blissfully unaware—-that still doesn’t explain why you, W9, chose to elevate an acknowledged predator like Biden. That was your decision, not mine, and the only conclusion I can come to is that you feel women are as disposable as the powerful men that surround them. We’ve come full circle. Your defense of the Biden vote seems to be that your comfortable with 8 or 9 women being victimized because it’s less than whatever Trump number you’ve chosen to believe. You said something telling at the end btw— the tax haven issue. Is it the tax committment that brought you into the Biden fold? Not a dollar more from you and yours?

Yeesh. That’s your standard? If they can assemble a staff you’re ok with them assaulting women and mocking people of color? You’re a throwback to the days of Boss Tweed. Who knows though, maybe someone on his senate leadership team did tell him grinding on minors and perfecting his Braille technique on any woman within reach was not a good idea at least once over the past 40 years or so. Oh, the irony indeed. 👍

But you felt that way before Biden was elected, and this issue is about Biden’s leadership. You made the claim singing his leadership praises. My question is what did Biden offer you to make you overlook all his baggage? Why not demand better? Of all the complaints I had about Obama, they didn’t involve groping women or making racially insensitive comments over a several decade plan, lying about who he was or challenging people to push up contests. To my knowledge Obama never had a serious allegation of sexual assault. Again, you just cast a vote for your version of the worst elements you feel about Trump. Why? I’ll give you a hint: status quo. Progressive politics from white liberals is about appearance while staying safe in the coccoon. The historic employment records for people of color is threatening to some voters when it gets too close to their neighborhood. For all the dialogue about racially sensitivity these days, Biden represents your ability to champion inclusion with just an embarrassed “Ah that’s just Joe, he doesn’t mean it!”. As for the women he’s groped and assaulted, again, whatever he offered you clearly allows you to overcome and disregard their victimization. They become disposable— but the again— he “owned” his aberrant behavior (at age 76, well past his prime, when it really mattered and he was largely kept out of the public eye). So, let’s assume Trump suddenly became a serial sexual abuser after decades of being in the public eye, and that some women don’t actually seek out and engage in wealthy and powerful men for sex for any number of reasons, and that all his powerful friends on politics and entertainment were blissfully aware of his tendencies——how does that have anything to do with you and millions of others stumping for Joe Biden? Yup, it’s all anyone ever talks about.

I see your original post was edited to include more detail. I can see your point— that your experiences dictate how others should navigate their own journey. Your single-mindedness aside, Biden’s significant mental decline is obvious and debating it seems like a silly line to draw. You do you. It seems a foregone conclusion. But that’s not the question, the question is why those who voted for Biden wanted Harris in the likely event his steep mental decline continued. This really is just a matter of math.

The stage was set for both parties to complain because it works. The country was turned upside down and an administration hamstrung over fb posts and Russian boogeymen. Nevermind the subject to the alleged treason out behavior was one of the must recognizable faces and personalities in the world, and that he had been friend and ally to most major political figures over the past few decades and a major player in the entertainment industry for longer still. Emotionally underdeveloped people fall for that sort of thing every time. I think the Time magazine article makes a much more nuanced argument on how the manipulation of the electorate occurred. The art of spreading propaganda and disinformation, and hiding the faults of political leaders is nothing new. But absolutely, at the core, the left screamed “stolen election” and “coup” from the top down in 2016, then “OMG how silly” in 2020. It’s the same pattern they are using with the whole insurrection play now. For 5 years they ramble on about interference and Trump, illegitimate presidency, using words like treason and coup, rapist and abuser, and look to destroy people at every corner. Now, suddenly, the very fabric of our society is in peril. It won’t change until liberal voters push back, but they are irrational and overly emotional people by nature in many cases.

You’re going backwards. Life is about pushing forward. Biden’s cognitive decline is not some sort of conspiracy theory, it’s obvious to any honest broker looking to have dialogue. One of the marked examples of it was when comparing his capacity in the Trump-Biden debates to Biden-Ryan debates. In the Ryan debate, he was combative, interrupting frequently and in control. In the first Trump debate—when Trump went full Joe Biden in him, he was overwhelmed and confused frequently. The sad aftermath was watching the media and his supporters defend his performance and implying Trump was too mean to him. If you think it’s bs, you’re not paying attention.

Well, you were exceptionally rude, postured as if to speak for the group, and when called on it, acknowledged that what you said was complete nonsense. If my intervention on your behalf comes off as moody on my part, I can accept how you feel. Consider this my validation of your unique you-ness.

If you knew that some posters actually cared about the post, why did you go all Khloe Kardashian in the first place and suggest otherwise? Wacka offered thoughts on Biden’s mental state based on his personal experiences. Analyzing the mental and emotional competence of candidates and politicians is an everyday thing and occurs across the spectrum. You do it routinely, you dog faced pony soldier. You should speak to someone about these mood swings.

Actually Chief, I give a **** about his experiences and what he comes to share. Life has a way of humbling us all, and some of the lessons learned come during times of personal hardship and tragedy. You’re free to speak for yourself, though your outburst seems to imply you actually do care what @Wacka has to say, but try and stay in your lane. Thanks as always for sharing Wacka.

Biden simply outlasted the generations that correctly identified him as a dimwit and appealed to whatever it is their children and grandchildren yearn for. He’s lied repeatedly for nearly 5 decades, and paid the price for it when he was rejected at the polls; He’s combative and quick to anger when asked simple questions from voters, and his default seems to trend toward challenges for push up contests; He’s threatened violence against his adversaries, infamously offering to take Trump “behind the gym”, knowing of course his “behind the gym” days were over 50 years ago. He treated women and children as his personal property for decades, grabbing, groping, massaging and smelling, often in front of their husbands and fathers. It’s classic predatory behavior for a guy who thinks the rules don’t apply to him. He’s made derogatory comments about men, women, Black citizens, Indian citizens and others. Of course, there is a serious allegation of violent sexual assault against a woman during a time when Biden was firmly entrenched as a leader in the Wild Old Boys Day in the senate. He was a major player in what often sounds as much like “The Wolf of Wall Street” as it does the dignified US Senate”. You can chop it up however you like, but the truth is he’s displayed an almost unbelievable lack of leadership given how many shots he’s had at the crown. All it really took for him to be elected was a stunning collaboration between government, media, technology, pandemic, and tens of millions of voters who ran directly toward the type of silliness their parents and grandparents rejected. What’s even more fascinating is how you are stumping for Joe while acknowledging he’s lost several steps from when he offered what passed for character and intellect. Comparing Biden to Trump with respect to age is completely fair, but all you did was vote for the dem version of the worst characterization of Trump.

The bell at the end of the initial session was outstanding.

Bernie Sanders?

In fairness, the lefty’s like to suggest their Chosen “own it”. Ex: Biden may be an acknowledged serial abuser, but he “owned it” so it’s like it never happened. To the modern liberal, the women he groped are actually the villains. I think it’s similar to a carbon offset. It’s perfectly acceptable to pollute the crap out of Mother Earth if you contribute to the appropriate causes. In fact, it’s admirable.

I don’t know Andy Reid from Andy Griffith. I’d hazard a guess that most here don’t. He could be the best father in the history of the world, or an abusive drunk who gave his boys oxy to deal with a sprained ankle for a middle school football game. All I know is he’s a football coach with a penchant for creating dynamic offensive football teams. Assuming he’s a decent human being trying to make his way in life, perhaps he employed his son not in an attempt to cover for him, but in an attempt to save his life. That decision does not logically lead, IMO, to what happened last night and the serious injuries to the children involved. For all we know AR went from the victory over the Bills to a family intervention to get his son back in track. I’ve learned to deal with what’s in front of me. What I don’t know about someone else’s life far, far exceeds what I know about people I actually do know. Btw—one thought. Quite a few years ago, I was speaking a guy who flipped drugs back in the day from a local city school. Their primary target was the school districts where the kids with money went, it really boiled down to simple math. That doesn’t make those kids victims, but society shows us this is much more complicated than rich v middle class v poor. Finally, my son injured his back (herniated disc) in hs athletics back in the day. I was always, always in my children’s ear about drugs, opioids and the like. I believe @Hapless Bills Fanmentioned wisdom tooth surgery causing some of these problems (and I agree), but my one nagging fear was some dopey kid telling my son that some painkillers he grabbed from his dad’s medicine cabinet could take the edge off. As a result, I told my son as often as I could about the danger of the one dopey kid. This was a very legitimate concern where he attended school. He listened, and I’m grateful.

Bernolovich Sanderzhnev.

“This thread don’t end until I say it ends!” -Everyone 2021

Very interesting perspective, and I agree with your assessment on why this is playing out on the dem side of things. To take it just a bit further, I think dem leadership recognizes the emotional immaturity of its base and and is playing to that crowd. We have seen it here over the past few days--the old "If he refuses to testify it makes him look even more guilty". You can have a rational argument with some people about the way our justice system works, why the ability to decline to speak on your own behalf is so vitally important to the concept of personal freedom, but with others you simply cannot. There are precious few new ideas in political life, and we see the same cycles repeat over and over again because they work, and people fall for it. The subtle differences between "Trump and Russia" and "McCarthyism" are really just a matter of degree and methodology of pursuing the allegedly treasonous party. The exact same argument being pushed today--"Well, if he doesn't testify, it sure makes him appear guilty" was made during Mueller's attempted purge, and really isn't all that far removed from the course of action followed in the Salem Witch Trials. It doesn't matter that the dopes lead by their noses on Russia morphed quietly from treason to obstruction, the premise being that if you refuse to submit, you're hiding something, and if you try to defend yourself on something that you did not do, you're obstructing the inquisitors. Personally, I like the angle he's taking, best summarized by International Criminal Leslie Chow.

So far today, we've learned: You are 100% cool with segregation/discrimination by a private business so long as it's included in their policy; Conversations about testifying under oath caused you, quite unnaturally, to change the subject to your very unhealthy riot fetish and an obvious freudian obsession with certain anarchist groups.

More guilty of what? Having common sense?

DJT says...Pass. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/04/trump-senate-impeachment-trial-testify-house-democrats

I found the text of this letter of explanation absolutely telling. And, when viewed through the lens that these folks often represent the most highly educated (and often at an extremely high cost), it's really easy to understand why folks like these are at the front of the line to have their college debt cancelled: In speaking about this with Dr. Williams yesterday, he reminded me that, “The rationale behind offering identity-affirming groups is based on current research that finds affinity groupings provide psychological safety, which fosters candor around one’s experience. For this initiative to succeed, we need safe places for this level of vulnerability, so we can understand and formulate an effective and transformative plan moving forward.” I'm not certain there was any evidence, ever, that people gravitate toward "affinity groupings". They used to call it tribalism, and, duh, people tended to remain int heir own affinity grouping to avoid, you know, dying.

If only....a cursory review...of the exclusionary policies guiding a privately owned business...might reveal....that answers such as "If you don't like it, go somewhere else"...was actually THE problem. So tier. So woke. So naive.

I swear I read a thread with an argument about the Kama Sutra. One person was mad hypin the “Dimpled Dog”, the other was promoting the health benefits of “Gushing Waterfall”. It got pretty heated. Wonder if that was it?

I wish I had a clue as to what the plan is. See, I'm a simple guy, and I can't see where any dem leader would ever be concerned about sworn testimony from any FBI agent or personnel. In fact, I would think they would invite it. Likewise, I would think the Rs would be perfectly comfortable moving forward with the impeachment as is. If, as is speculated, impeachment is dead on arrival, it simply exposes the partisan nature of the hearing and Americans can glean from that what they will. No hearts and minds will be changed. so imo it's a giant circle jerk. Btw--I'm happy to answer questions you have, but please, personally spare me the Oliver Stone "inside the war room" fictionalized account of these last crazy days. In this case, direct quotes are attributed to individuals, replete with characterizations about the state of mind of the participants, and events happening sequentially as outlined. It's basically a trial run for a screen play. Of course, at the bottom of this short story, the 'get out of jail free card' is included: About this series: Our reporting is based on multiple interviews with current and former White House, campaign, government and congressional officials as well as direct eyewitnesses and people close to the president. Sources have been granted anonymity to share sensitive observations or details they would not be formally authorized to disclose. President Trump and other officials to whom quotes and actions have been attributed by others were provided the opportunity to confirm, deny or respond to reporting elements prior to publication. You might be quite comfortable with this sort of thing, but it bores the crap out of me. It also makes me wonder how people who buy into this sort of dramadey make it through everyday life. If they were being truthful, at the end of this paragraph they should include: Since we did not hear back from President Trump and other officials, this must be treated as gospel and we dare not be questioned.