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If asking why muslim women rape VICTIMS endure stoning and getting their labias removed by a dull knife...if muslim women getting burned by acid for GOING TO SCHOOL makes me a "bigot", the !@#$ yeah....Im a bigot. WHY ARE LIBERALS AND WOMEN"S RIGHTS GROUPS TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE ISSUE OF MUSLIM WOMEN'S RIGHTS?

Id like those who are defending this nonsense to tell me why its OK that unlike all previous bills put before Congress for YEARS now, this one was distributed ON PAPER and not on an easily searchable PDF. I heard the copy put on some Congresscritters websites was a barely readable faxed copy, full of cross outs, and redlines. Lets hear it.....

But if the UN didnt "trust" Hamas, they would have been "offended."

Nobody ever said that violence and atrocities in the name of religion is exclusive to Islam. So Im curious why liberals assume those who are concerned about this issue always use the "but other religions are violent, too" line of reasoning to excuse this type of behavior. Its akin to someone in a flooded town saying how bad their situation is and someone sniping back "yeah, but the a town 500 miles away flooded once too. Back in 1971." What does that have to do with whats going on now? Here? And funny how one case of someone committing an "abuse" in a prison is easily taken as an indictment of the whole institution when it fit your needs. But case after case after case.....Story after story after story of events like these taking place and you tacitly choose to bury your head in the sand about it and give that old line of sh-- "everyone does it."

Yeah, but he was on Sean Hannity's show, so that makes him a worthless POS. Now...if he rubbed elbows with that fair-minded guy Olbermann...maybe he can get some of that respect back.

Thats right....deny, deny, deny. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/behead1.jpg

I hate to take this thread in another direction given its going more towards the human side of things but what youre saying and what your old man is saying is...with all due respect.......and IMO.......crap. Why? Two model numbers for you: C-130 E-2 Those two aircraft are two of the best "all conditions" aicraft flying today and are both....turboprops. And to boot, as military planes they fly in and out of conditions that commercial pilots wouldnt dream of flying in due to the need to keep passengers comfortable.

I hate that approach as well. Youre low and getting bounced all over the place. Thats got nothing to do with the accident, but its just uncomfortable. Coming into JFK for the 31s is like that, too. Youre low, over the water for a while and a lot of times its bumpy as hell.

Easy, easy. They are safe. Those Dash 8s are like the Toyota Corolla of air travel. Very solid aircraft.

Man....we talk about switches and flaps and debate all this technical stuff and then you hear about the human side of it and it just slams you in the face.

Hate to tell you but the Regional Jets are flown by just as inexperienced pilots. Delta has a program where you go from student to twin jet engine certified and then flying for their Regional carriers. And not for nothing...very experienced pilots have made errors, too.

He does. And I knew what he meant.... I just took my shot becuase its not often I get the chance to correct him on something.

I think you meant a 30 degree turn

Im looking at the coverage in CNN and in the picture there, it looks like the gear was down. But this is wild speculation on my part. From the ATC transcript, he was cleared to land after establishing himself on the landing system. OK...so maybe this....if he was at about 2,500 feet, he was either configured for landing...or configurING. Wheich means flaps coming down and gear coming down. Could it be that maybe a flap or other control surface.....even the gear, jammed when coming down? If so, that could cuase a lot of problems at slow speed and with the icing condistions, would be compounded pretty bad. Last trasmission was acknowledgement of turning and establishment instructions. 15:17 - 3407: left 260, 2,300 til established and cleared ils 23 approach, colgan 3407 Oh and I dont buy the witness "engines sputtering" thing. EVERY accident witness account for EVERY accident out there includes mention of "engines sputtering."

It does, of course. But it only works if its turned ON. The FIRST thing the NTSB is going to look at in the wreckage is the control panel containing the de-ice switch and see what position its in. And even if it WAS on, if conditions were really bad, it may not be effective enough. Even a little bit of ice will cause any plane to drop out of the sky like a rock. I just read that even 1mm of ice on the leading edge will cause a wing to lose 25% of its lift. And being this is a prop plane, its even more sucesptible to icing, as propellers are little wings, just turning sideways. So get ice on their leading edges and not only do you lose lift, you lose thrust. Bad.

I think it had to have been ice. He was about 5-6 miles out from landing. So he was on final approach and the aircraft was configured for landing. Gear down, flaps 30 or maybe even 40 (fully deployed). It also means he was at or close to minimum flying speed....maybe 20-30 knots above it, max. So IF it was ice and he lost lift, there was virtually no extra energy or speed available to him Ice is THE worst. Even a little can cause a wing to lose major amounts of lift. Sad event.

Spitt Schmitt....I think its Karma for the bull sh-- job he did playing for the Mets.

Youre wrong.

Hopefully it ends with me selling my piece of shyt used Prius with a dead battery to my wife for some money Ill blow on strippers and booze.

This !@#$ing thread rules.

Um, nbody is saying that "nothing" should be done so Im not sure withere the Laissez-faire comment is coming from. Nor is anyone saying that corprate tax breaks are the "solution" to whats going on. Frankly, Im curious as to why youre even mentioning it becuase the tax rate has little to do with why this mess took place to begin with. Youre stuck on "trickle down" as if those against this bill see it as the be-all end all to solve our economiuc woes. We dont. Thats YOU...who see THIS BILL as THE ONLY solution to get the economy moving again. So in short.....what the !@#$ are you talking about?

Amen. Vastly UNDERrated movie.

Not realized, but proposed. Start with "cap and trade" and work down from there.

"Country ahead of party", huh? Its the "Republicans" making things though, huh? http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/...s-negotiations/ You and people like you disgust me. At least there are SOME on the left like "yla" and I beleive even blzrul and others who can at least admit whats going on with this bill, led by Pelosi and Reid with the complicit nodding along by the in over their heads idiots in the Obama WH, is a !@#$ing travesty.

Prius/hybrids were not brought to market as "green" vehicles, but as "high mileage" ones. Oh sure.....they have tacked on "less polluting" to their marketing plans NOW. But orginally? No. On edit.....the original objective of the Prius WAS partly environment in nature. But that was in 1994, according to wiki. Im talking now....what "solution" put forth NOW does NOT involve some "tax" or "fee"?