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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! ... wait, are you serious?

I dig the compensation. Especially since we had an extra 3rd in compensation for Edmunds.

4 picks last season, 5 picks the year before. Started 12 games last season and all games this season. Definitely could do a lot worse. Just said on NFL Network that it looks like Jaylon Johnson isn't going to be moved. Glad to see Beane pivot and still address the CB position.

... how? Have you looked at that contract? Please enlighten me. That thing is so gawdy, there is no amount of restructuring that could be done to feasibly fit it in our situation for this year or next. Right now we have 5.2 million to our name minus the PS contract for Fournette. And them eating most of it for us and giving him to us? I don't want to know what the compensation would be for that.

The only one that truly qualifies is DeAndre Hopkins. He costs a little over a million for the rest of this season without any guarantees after. However with the Titans owner veto'ing a Trade of Henry to the Ravens today, I don't know that they're open for business.

I mean, he can get as pissed as he wants. We simply can't afford his contract. And the Raiders can't even afford to cut him. The closest thing he has to an out is in 2025 and even that involves eating ~16 million in Dead Cap. That contract is simply untenable. Maybe there's someone who can afford to take it on. But it isn't us any way you slice it. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

Zack Moss isn't as bad as he looked while he was here. But he's not as good as he looks in Indianapolis. He went from a pass heavy offense with bad run blocking to a run heavy offense with good run blocking. I'd doubt he'll field much. Teams don't pay much of anything for RB's to begin with and they know that Indianapolis is built for the run and that's skewing his stats. Last week (maybe out of necessity more than their actually wanting to), we switched from 12 personnel to our more natural 11. In doing so and with Knox's injury, it pushed us to utilize Kincaid more than we had. And he performed GREAT. And with teams focusing on Diggs and Kincaid, Davis became open. As did Shakir. And they played great. Though I wouldn't be opposed to more firepower - if last week was any indication, I don't know that it's as dire as you are making it out to be anymore. The switch to 11 and the taking the training wheels off of Kincaid may be just what we were lacking. And with Kincaid performing as he had, I'd rather the amount of usage he got last week become the norm and not have him revert back to the minimal usage he got before last week. Which may happen with the addition of another big piece.

Look to improve elsewhere then. We need help at DT, LB, and CB for sure. We could use another Offensive weapon. We'd be taking reps away from Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, Gregg Rousseau, and/or AJ Epenesa to fit him in. None of them are performing in a way that would make me say "they should be taking less reps". We'd have to cut Kingsley Jonathan or Shaq Lawson. We'd be giving up Draft picks we need for all the work in the Offseason. We currently have SIX Edge's and are way more deep there already than most, if not all, of the league and it's our deepest position. We have no need for another Edge. Period. And with the way Chase Young has been performing as of late, he's just a name anyways. I'm not so sure he'd perform any better in this Defense than Kingsley Jonathan is. Beane isn't going to make a move just to give fans a shiny toy on Deadline day. There has to be a need for it and there is no need here.

It could be true he's not ready to give up on him. Or it could be posturing. Supposedly teams have made overtures to Beane for Elam. Maybe the offers have just been basically a bag of balls and he's putting it out there that he's not going to move him, hoping someone ups their offer. If I'm Beane, I want a 3rd. But I'd settle for a 4th. Maybe, a high 5th. Maybe. But anything less than that and I think I'd rather just hold on to him in the event that he could be a late bloomer.

She just says we're making calls. Not that we're looking for a Pass Rusher, as the tweet implies. She said the 49ers are specifically looking for CB's and Pass Rushers and then mentioned we have called around after that, without mentioning for what. Greenlight Twitter is misquoting her there.

Does he slide inside though or are you just projecting? I'm not finding much info on him doing anything but rushing from the Edge. And even if he can, that's not his natural position. Who's to say it would be a mismatch besides how it looks on paper? The guy hasn't been performing at a high level even at his natural position. We need definitive Inside help. Go get a Tackle in Trade. Or give Suh a look. Giving up a Day 2 pick for another End when we're already stacked there doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially with all the help we need elsewhere.

It isn't as hyperbolic as it seems. As I said above:

We don't need another End. It's probably the deepest position we have on the team. Miller's reps are ramping up as he's getting healthier and starting to get pressures. Leonard Floyd is exceeding expectations. Greg Rousseau is on the other side. AJ Epenesa is easily playing his best ball. That's 4 starting quality ends. Most teams are lucky to have two. And why would we take reps away from any of those players with how they're performing?

Cap isn't a problem. He's on a Rookie contract. Which is part of what makes the price tag so steep. We're talking about a 23 year old, former top 10 pick, with a clean bill of health, only 2 and a half years of tread taken off the tires, on an inexpensive Rookie contract, that has 2 years remaining after this one, and was a 1st Team All Pro just last season at the premium CB position. That pretty much checks off all of the boxes on what makes someone have as steep of a price tag as you can get. Two 1st's and a Pro Bowl Calibur player in return doesn't shock me and is why I laugh anytime a Bills fan invokes his name.

Even that isn't nearly enough apparently. Per Benjamin Albright, the reported price tag is Two 1st's plus a Pro Bowl Calibur Player "to even get the conversation started" https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/patrick-surtain-trade-rumor-dallas-cowboys-outrageous-asking-price-broncos-cost-deadline

The only thing I'm expecting us to do is Trade Elam for whatever we can get. Hopeful we can get at least a depth player at CB, DT, or LB. But *expecting* a serious difference maker is to set yourself up for disappointment.

Yeah, I would need to know what his parameters are on an extension and if he would sign one and if we would be willing to pay it before offering anything higher than a 3rd.

Elam should field a 3rd on the highest end (if there's competition), more likely a 4th or a 5th. I'm not offering a 2nd and a 3-5 unless I know we can get him back. That's a steep price for just 9 games and the Playoffs (which isn't guaranteed right now). And it's not just as simple as just "extend him". He and his people more likely than not will want to test his market. I suppose we can get a 3rd or 4th comp pick back for him if we can't re-sign him. But that would include him getting a massive contract and us having to be conservative in FA, handicapped by making sure we sign less than we lose. Elam and a 3rd would be the highest I would possibly go. Especially if we don't know if he has an interest in a contract extension. It wasn't going to happen. That's too much money for us to pay for 9 games of a RB, let alone Draft compensation on top of it. Any slim hopes of it possibly happening went out the window with the Fournette signing this morning. We wouldn't have bothered with that if Henry was still in the equation.

It's pretty high for a guy on the last year of his deal. I'm not giving up a 2nd+ for someone who's only under contract for 10 games and the playoffs (if they make it). Makes me wonder if it was something we were in on and the Seahawks had to outbid to get him. If not us, probably someone because again, that's a lot for less than a year of a player.

Nope. He had an Achilles injury with us in his first workout with the team and went on IR.

No, he was released by the Chargers when they couldn't trade him and we just happened to be #1 on the Waiver Priority list at the time.

Exactly. It's not the NBA or the NHL where rentals are the norm. The trade deadline is generally a nothing burger league wide. Yet every year at this time the board is flooded with Trade for this guy or Trade for that guy. And if nothing happens tomorrow, people will be freaking out and saying Beane is asleep at the wheel. When the truth is, odds are, no one's going to do much of anything league wide. Trades are very rare. I'd be happy if we did anything. Even if it isn't a big needle mover and just a depth move.

I'm saying you cherry pick what people say. In particular you saying that all I said was "I hear what you're saying" and then disregarded it with more stats. Like I said, he will naturally drop some from 22nd in yardage and 4th in TD's. But he's not going to drop from 22nd to bottom of the league. He's consistently been at the top of WR2 metrics, outranking some #1's all season. And where are you getting these 28th and 40 numbers? He's 22 amongst WR's (lists include Kelce at TE) everywhere: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?category=receiving&season=2023&seasonType=reg&sort=rec_yyds&sortOrder=desc https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/receiving.htm https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/receiving/2023/REG/all/receivingyards/DESC Like another poster has said in response to you - is he Elite? No. Is it possible to have a better WR opposite Diggs? Yes. But it's way more uncommon to have a better WR2 than Davis than you're letting on. There aren't "way more" teams with a better WR2 than Davis. There may be ones you personally would prefer because it's quite clear with your posts all year that you are not a fan of his. Like the poster said, you have absolutely nothing positive to say and go out of your way to shoot down anyone who has anything remotely positive to say. In a way, I get what you and Happy are saying. You want to win a Super Bowl and you both feel that to do so, having just one guy who is considered a top tier WR that would be a #1 on most teams is a must. But just because Davis isn't Diggs, doesn't mean he's not a good WR2. The metrics prove he is. He's just not a WR1.

So say that you really want two WR's who would be considered the top WR on most teams. And not that Gabe Davis isn't good enough to be a #2. Because that simply isn't true, by metrics this season. There are way more teams that have a worse option than Gabe Davis as their 2nd WR than there are ones that have better.