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We're getting lost in the sauce of what he can and can't do and what he may or may not do. My point was that there is close to half of the roster that will need to be re-signed or replaced. And we'll be needing to do that with around 50m and 7 Draft Picks. That's going to be a delicate dance in and of itself. If we traded away a pick or multiple picks today, it would become even harder. And that surely played heavily into him not making a deal.

Agreed. Something like that only goes so far. It feels like Tre White in 2023 all over again. Wherein people can't imagine someone so loved being let go. But business is business. Cutting Dawson Knox would save us just about 10 million on the cap. At a time when we're going to need every dollar and cent we can get (much like 2023). A 29 year old Knox would be lucky to get much more than a third of that on the open market. I don't really see a restructure that would make sense for us. Again, much like White in 2023.

Yes, i've heard it said we can get up to around 50 under. But again, that's only going to go so far with 21-23 bodies off our current 53 to replace with only 7 picks. Especially when you have to pay for starters like Bosa, McGovern, and Edwards. Like I said and you mentioned, you can let players walk. But you still have to replace them with cap and Picks. It's not like you can say "let em go, we'll roll with a 32 man roster". We'll replace 7 of them with Draft Picks. But if we made trades, we'd have less picks to replace that large amount of bodies we have going out. That's not nothing in the equation of what happened (or rather didn't happen) today.

That's just it. We're at around 10 right now. We can probably get up to around 50 with cuts, restructures, etc. But when you're looking at upwards of 23 bodies including 9 starters and multiple important role players on the team, 50 and 7 Picks is only going to go so far. If he cut into that by trading away some of those picks - it would get even more difficult than it is already. That's in large part why I think you didn't see any moves made.

In 2027 and only if we sign less than we lose.

How am I mischaracterizing it? It's Spinal Fusion surgery on a player that delivers hits on a regular basis. These are facts. If there's any mischaracterization here, it's you acting like that's meaningless. Neck injuries with a DB is a serious, serious thing. Just in recent memory with our team alone, Hyde tried to come back from it but couldn't. We've got a Rookie who looked promising that is now possibly retiring over it. Are you old enough to remember Aaron Williams? Spinal injuries are the kiss of death for a DB. The idea that a DB coming off spinal fusion means nothing is ridiculous. Especially where he is in that process and where we are in the season. Don't like the "held together by tape" line? Fine. I'll say it with less hyperbole: "a spine held together by screws on a player that has to hit people on a play to play basis". You can dismiss it and discount it all you want. It's a hugely important thing. One that is likely going to field someone who isn't the same player. And even if the Bills felt he was worth the risk in the condition he's in, the timing compounds it. This isn't a player that's going to go straight to the field. And the Bills (9.9 times out of 10) aren't the type of team to take guys on this late in the season with no familiarity with the Defense.

I think the cost for us to get Shaheed for a half of a season just got too expensive. He went to the Seahawks for a 4th & a 5th - both in this coming Draft. I've seen people say "why couldn't we pay that?". Well, first of all, us matching that wouldn't be enough. Because the Seahawks, while having our same record, are going to be presumed to be picking before us. So we'd have to beat it. Which means we'd have had to offer at least our 3rd and our 5th, if not our 3rd and our 4th. Which would leave us with just 5 picks in the Draft (as we have no extra picks coming from trades or comps). That's a helluva price for a player like Shaheed for just half of a season. I'm willing to bet the two picks price that the Saints paid was a result of many bidders, probably us as well, driving up the price. Ultimately, it just got to a place where it was too expensive for us to beat.

Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players. As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace. We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes: Unrestricted Free Agents: - DE Joey Bosa - C Connor McGovern - G David Edwards - LB Matt Milano - DT Daquan Jones - DE AJ Epenesa - CB Tre'Davious White - LB Shaq Thompson - FB Reggie Gilliam - DT Larry Ogunjobi - WR Elijah Moore - QB Mitch Trubisky - CB Cam Lewis - S Jordan Poyer - S Damar Hamlin - S Sam Franklin Jr. - DT Jordan Phillips - K Matt Prater - P Mitch Wishnowsky - P Cameron Johnston Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents: - G Alec Anderson - OT Ryan Van Demark - CB Ja'Marcus Ingram And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 23 players currently on our 53 with that. You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps). All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things. It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.

And have spent time in the Defense (especially Kingsley) - so there shouldn't be too much transition in learning what McDermott expects of them and getting the Defense down. Which is why they probably brought them in. It's getting late into the season for bringing guys in cold on that side of the ball.

I'm sure this will get torched by Bills fans who are still upset we did nothing at the Deadline and were Ciarlo fans. But news nonetheless. Not surprised to see players cut from the Practice Squad to make room for others coming in. Kind of surprised to see Ciarlo and Wilkerson are the ones to be let go. Very frustrating that they chose to keep Spector over Ciarlo. Alas, this means we have 1 Active Roster spot (with Hoecht's IR) and 2 Practice Squad spots open. So 3 players will be coming in to the building.

There's a HUGE difference between a guy who tore his ACL and Achilles years ago, played all last season, was here practicing the entire off-season - OTA's, Training Camp, and Pre-Season, and knew the Defensive playbook vs. a guy who hasn't done ANYTHING Football related in over a year, is coming off Spinal Fusion in April, likely hasn't done anything remotely physical in 6+ months, and has to learn the Defense 10 weeks into the season. What am I on about? These are facts. Important ones that you're discounting or dismissing. Again, you're comparing incomparable situations bc you want a new toy. Ignoring the fact that the toy is held together by tape and would require at least a month, likely more, of getting it ready before you could play with it. Look, if the Bills thought it was worth it - I wouldn't be against it. But I would be very surprised if anyone gave him a shot in the condition he's in right now and where we are in the season.

I said for the past couple weeks that all of the pie in the sky options like BTJ, Chris Olave, A.J. Brown, Jaylen Waddle, Garrett Wilson, etc. weren't going anywhere. That Rashid Shaheed and Jakobi Meyers would be the best and likely only options. And that the Dolphins and Jets wouldn't trade to us. All of that rang true. But I still expected a move to be made for a Shaheed or a Meyers. And/or at least a move for a Defensive Tackle. I'm kind of taken aback that we did nothing. I think the price for Shaheed and Meyers got too great for who they were and how long we'd have them. Seen a lot of people say "you couldn't match that?". We didn't have to match it, we'd have to beat it. Bc both the Seahawks and Jaguars are presumed to Draft higher than us. For us to get Shaheed, we'd have to pay something like a 3rd and a 4th to top the Seahawks. That's a LOT to pay for 8 games. Another aspect of it is the situation we're going into in the offseason. As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far. As we have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes: Unrestricted Free Agents: - DE Joey Bosa - C Connor McGovern - G David Edwards - LB Matt Milano - DT Daquan Jones - DE AJ Epenesa - CB Tre'Davious White - LB Shaq Thompson - FB Reggie Gilliam - DT Larry Ogunjobi - WR Elijah Moore - QB Mitch Trubisky - CB Cam Lewis - S Jordan Poyer - S Damar Hamlin - S Sam Franklin Jr. - DT Jordan Phillips - K Matt Prater - P Mitch Wishnowsky - P Cameron Johnston Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents: - G Alec Anderson - OT Ryan Van Demark - CB Ja'Marcus Ingram And that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 24 with that. You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace their bodies on the 53 with cap or Draft Picks. All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things. It's fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to make things complicated - but it doesn't change where we were.

That is the point. What team's are willing to deal with in terms of neck injuries to a QB v. a CB, let alone a QB the level of a Peyton Manning - is a VASTLY different, completely incomparable situation. Peyton Manning as a QB (especially behind Denver's line at the time) wasn't going to take many hits from the pocket. He took a total of 37 sacks over 4 years. Asante Samuel has to potentially be delivering hits on a play to play basis. And Asante Samuel Jr. wasn't considered a top 10 CB in the league BEFORE he had Spinal Fusion. He was a guy who was considered a pretty decent cover Corner who was a poor tackler with it even said he outright avoids contact. These things are likely not to get better with a fused spine. He hasn't done anything football related in over a year. He had Spinal Fusion surgery in April. So it's likely he hasn't done any sort of physical training in over 6 months. On top of that, he'd have to learn the Defense and we're in Week 10. There is no scenario where they're signing him to the active roster and pulling Tre in favor of him anytime soon. Best case scenario, he'd be the one on the Practice Squad and maybe in a month to two months he'd be cycled in.

It's over https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1985818048142721150?t=_tX9XHf5X9fDzJTMYMvstA&s=19

Calling Landon Jackson a "Michael Hoecht clone" or even the closest to it we're going to get is insanely funny. It's like Khalil Shakir going down and saying "let's hope Keon Coleman can be a Shakir clone as our quick, shifty, elusive Slot". Michael Hoecht and Landon Jackson aren't even close to the same player. Hoecht is world's more athletic. World's more versatile. Landon Jackson is a standard put your hand in the ground Edge Rusher. One of the biggest knocks in his Draft profile was that he's "a little stiff", "robotic", and "not very athletic". You're not going to see him playing a Joker role. Hoecht was playing all over the line for us (and had played LB and even DB on some snaps in the past with the Rams). That's how athletic Hoecht was. Landon Jackson isn't going to be doing *any* of that. If Landon Jackson had near the kind of athleticism that Hoecht had, then he would be active every week as the 4th Defensive End and playing Special Teams, instead of Javon Solomon. They don't see him being able to play Teams for a reason. Like Sal said, there's no one on the roster that can fill the role Hoecht was playing. Least of all not Jackson. Jackson will see more activations than he was going to as a Defensive End with Hoecht out and hopefully that will help his development. But replacing Hoecht is a two man job. They'll likely add another DT and it wouldn't surprise me if they just carried one more for the rotation there, instead of regularly activating Jackson.

That's fair. And they probably would go the safer route, though I feel Sweat has more upside and we'd have him beyond this season. The Spotrac Trade Machine won't pull numbers for him bc they don't consider him a "Trade Candidate" like they do Sweat. Though this dude seems to believe his number is just under a million, which would still work:

We've got 3.35m give or take after the Taron restructure. Shaheed will cost us 2.1m. I think given the size of Day's contract (unclear the exact amount as Spotrac's Trade Machine won't pull the number for him), we would need to find more money for him plus Shaheed than we have right now. However, T'Vondre Sweat would cost $614,601 in acquired cap. So we could fit Shaheed and Sweat on with just the Cap Space we have now. That's where my head is at with possible multiple moves with what we have (and what's realistic) - Rashid Shaheed and T'Vondre Sweat.

It specifically states what body part as an example. He has a Neck Injury. That's all they have to list on the Report. They don't have to put the specific diagnosis.

... Huh? Chris Brown is literally just quoting Sean McDermott from his Press Conference. As are all other reporters that were there. Why would it make a difference who the reporter was that was directly quoting McDermott? Would you feel better about these reporters quoting McDermott's own words more? https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/buffalo-bills-receive-devastating-news-on-injured-rookie-cb

Yes, because he was a.) a Quarterback who doesn't get hit often, compared to a player who is hitting people play to play and b.) was maybe the greatest player of all time at that position. There were concerns with Samuel's game before he had the surgery. His name carries more weight than his prestige on the field. And there's a sliding scale in both talent and the position you play that dictates taking a risk on someone coming off a Spinal Fusion surgery. Peyton Manning and Asante Samuel Jr. aren't remotely comparable besides having the same injury.

If Asante Samuel Jr. were a QB at the level of a Peyton friggin' Manning - it would obviously be a different story. But that's not remotely the case here.

Yes, we would. But we also need 8m in Cap Space to do it. We're only at 3.5m.

Dudes coming off Spinal Fusion surgery. He hasn't done anything football related in over a year - probably hasn't done much of anything since having Spine surgery. And that's not even taking into account having to learn a new Defense in Week 10. He may have been "cleared" - but I'd be very surprised to see anyone jump at bringing him on now in the condition he's in.

There is no conditioning that can prevent injuries on the Football field. You can condition to your hearts content, if your Achilles is going to go - it's going to go. If you get hit in an area and angle that's going to tear ligaments, the greatest conditioning isn't going to stop that. You get them in the best shape you can get them. But it's still not going to stop wear and tear in a brutal sport like Football. We've gone through multiple strength and conditioning teams. Bad luck is just bad luck. It's not like they aren't doing their jobs and players are just hitting the field cold.

This is worrisome wording. I hope it's not the case, but that reads like someone who may be contemplating their career.