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Shakir is banged up. Kincaid is on the shelf for the foreseeable future. Probably at least a couple more weeks. And if he shows something there, you could get more in a trade after this season. Who are we to question what? A hypothetical scenario where his attitude is so bad that they choose to cut him? He was sat for his indiscretion. If they felt what you're implying they could feel - they'd have just cut him this week instead of sending him a message. From his Postgame interview, it doesn't seem like he's disgruntled. The media peppered him with questions where he could have easily went off. He didn't take the bait and took accountability - when he could have easily told the reporters to F off and not even field questions. If he continues to show nothing, then you trade him in the off-season. It's as simple as that. You can potentially get something for Coleman and you get nothing for Moore. There's at least some potential for growth with Coleman and Moore is who he is. And ultimately, Coleman not taking a step isn't any worse than Moore.

Everyone knows Tyler Bass is healthy now. Once you put someone on IR, you can keep them there as long as you'd like. You don't have to activate them to the roster if you don't want to. There's no rule that says once healthy, they must come off IR. And there's just no reason to put him in cold while Prater is still handling the job fine. Suggesting both the team and Coleman himself (as he did an interview after the game) are lying about him being deactivated for missing a team meeting is simply ludicrous. Him simply being inactive bc of performance is a much better look for Coleman. And much less of an issue for the team to deal with in the media.

Then you trade him after the season. You act as if Elijah Moore is some kind of massive loss compared to Coleman. He has 115 yards all season. He gets open just as often as Coleman does. You cut him and there's a pretty decent chance you can get him back on the Practice Squad. You cut Coleman, not only are you missing out on potential growth on and off the field (even if that looks unlikely), you lose out on guaranteed money, lose out on his potential in the Slot (which we haven't tried), and lose out on a potential return (even if it's minimal) on a change of scenery trade after the season - if it's still not working out. Outside of wanting to do something out of anger, there's no logical reason to release Coleman instead of Moore.

Releasing Coleman over Moore is a knee jerk, emotions based move a fan would make. Not a smart GM. Moore is providing us nothing. He's the first WR made inactive if everyone is healthy. After this year, he's gone. We get nothing for him anyways. Coleman is only a year and a half into his career. You've yet to try him inside (which is something we could try with Gabe and Palmer on the Outside), where he may be better suited. And again, at the very least, there's a good chance you could get a return on him after this season. Even if it's a minimal one, it's better than nothing.

Thanks, I missed that play. If Hardman is legitimately injured, then it's an easy pathway. But with what he's shown in the past, I'm not ready to say one bad game coming off the couch and on to the field in 5 days and you're out of here. I'd take my chances with him over Moore who provides nothing. You've made a big investment into him and, yes, he's floundered it horribly. But he's a year and a half into his career. With Palmer and Davis on the Outside, it's worth a shot to see if he can bring something moved inside. And at least, there's a chance you get something out of him after this year in a trade (even if it isn't much). Teams take chances on "change of scenery" moves all the time. Especially so fresh into their career. We got something for Kaiir Elam and he was much further into his career as a Bust than Keon. As bad as Coleman's been, he doesn't give us less than Elijah Moore does.

Completely forgot about him. I think that depends on how bad his "calf injury" is and who's going to handle returns if he's not here. That was a terrible decision he made. No doubt about that. But he was providing good returns for us before that and we didn't use him at all on Offense (that I can recall). I think it's a tough ask to come in off the couch and suit up in less than a week. I think i'd give him some time. We haven't really seen him on Offense yet. I'm not ready to walk away from him that quickly.

Outside of the drop in the end zone where the ball was on him like a bullet, Gabe provided key pick ups for us, especially on the 4th Down slant. It's clear he has rapport and trust from Josh and opened things up in the passing game more than what we've been seeing of late. We're not going to carry 8 WR's on the roster. Samuel needs to stick so we can pick up his cap relief as a release next off-season. Shavers is important on Special Teams and came up big today. Releasing Coleman (which I'm sure people will call for) a year and a half after spending a 2nd on him wouldn't be wise. You're likely to get something (even if it isn't much) for him in the Off-season. And with Davis and Palmer on the field, you might want to try him inside and see how that goes. That leaves (outside of obvious options that won't even be a thought like Shakir and Palmer) the other WR that was inactive today. And I don't think there's any question that Gabe is a better option than what we've been getting out of Elijah Moore. Teams are in rough shape all over the league at WR. Maybe you wait and see if someone tries to poach him first and make the move then. But he should be on the field every game going forward. Edit: Forgot about Hardman, as he wasn't used much more than as a Returner today. And while he had a boneheaded turnover, I'm not ready to just cut bait on him after one bad game that came less than a week removed from him coming off of his couch. Especially when he did provide good stuff in the Return game before that. If he's healthy, I'd rather take my chances on Hardman's speed and experience over Moore's - especially when we've seen what Moore provides and there's more upside to Hardman.

What the hell. Wide open and he just sails it? Dammit Josh.

Well Milano, Poyer, White, and Jones are Free Agents after this year and none of them are likely to come back Johnson could be a cap casualty. Solomon would be on Special Teams for the most part, if not for the injury to Hoecht. But we're stuck with Bernard for at least another year.

And here I thought Bucky Irving out would help. Of course Sean Tucker comes in and plays like he's the second coming of Ladanian Tomlinson.

Irving's out and a F'n Undrafted Backup RB out of Syracuse looking like he's a Pro Bowler. So frustrating.

I said it when it happened and a bunch since, will prob say it again bc it still just baffles me. But extending Bernard before we had to made no sense to me. He regressed in 2024. Started getting dinged a ton. MLB isn't a premium position that you need to put a premium pick into or pay a lot for. He wasn't playing at a level that would be difficult to replace. I wouldn't have extended him, especially before we needed to. At most, I'd have waited to see how this year went first. And he's even worse this year. Just a dumb move any way you slice it.

You're likely not to get much. Certainly not close to return on investment. But these kind of "change of scenery" trades happen all the time within a couple years of a player being Drafted. If there were a team that liked him pre-Draft and/or thinks they can use them differently and get more out of him, I don't think it's crazy to think something like a 5th for Coleman and a 7th could happen. He's not as much of a lost cause as Elam seemed and we were able to get around the same return for him. And teams are always trying whatever they can at WR.

My mistake - I didn't notice you were replying to two people. That's what I get for replying to things while trying to also pay attention to the game.

Devolved into? That was my only point in the whole conversation and the only point you replied to. That's the whole discussion I'm having. I'm not arguing whether or not he needs to do a better job with how he allocates funds or other moves he makes or doesn't make.

Chris Kelsay had 32.5 sacks throughout 10 seasons. Greg Rousseau has 28 through 4 and a half seasons. He's better than Kelsay. But not quite Aaron Schobel yet. Though Schobel didn't become a Pro Bowler or an All Pro until Years 6 and 7.

Actually, nothing to see here. I deleted the post bc looking into it more, he blacked out his profile pic a while back. Dudes just clickbaiting.

Well that's just it. If you're picking at the bottom of Round 1 at the highest and especially if you're picking one in Round 2 or 3 - you're not getting someone who's considered a difference making, stud prospect at premium positions. Positions like RB (James Cook), OG (O'Cyrus Torrence), TE (Dalton Kincaid), MLB (Terrel Bernard, Tremaine Edmunds) you're going to get more bang for your buck because they aren't a premium position. Just like any pick anywhere, you could get lucky and they exceed the expectations of their scouting report. But 'lucky' is the keyword there.

Yeah, it really goes without saying that if you land on two future Hall of Famers in Round 2 and Round 3 within 2 or 3 years of each other - you're going to be in really good shape... But that takes *incredible* luck. 9 times out of 10, in Round 2 or Round 3 you're way more likely than not getting something with a ceiling of a low to mid level starter, a role player, and the floor of a flat out bust. Especially if you're picking premium positions like WR, CB, DE, or OT.

Palmer is our #2 next season. Shakir will be in the Slot. Shavers is under contract next year as well and could return as WR6. Coleman may be a part of a trade. Or he could enter Elam territory where we give him more time but he's considered no greater than our 4th WR. Basically, they just need a True #1 next season to line up next to Palmer and Shakir. He's either going to have to make a trade, trade up in the Draft, or lure away someone like George Pickens or Mike Evans in Free Agency. We can fill out the other spot or two on the bottom with a Day 3 Pick and/or low price Free Agents.

We're not discussing his appearance on WGR or how he's fumbled the WR Room. That's been covered to death and we all know his failures there. We're discussing him having too many 1st and 2nd Round Busts in his tenure and the fact is that it's not any higher than most teams in the league. Not every 1st and 2nd Round Pick is created equal. We haven't had a Top 10 selection since 2018 and 2019. Since then we've picked in the 23-30 range and twice didn't have a pick in the 1st Round. Most years we're picking outside of the range of how many "1st Round Grade" prospects are available in the Draft, regardless of the rhetoric he likes to give of "we got the last player we had a 1st Round Grade on" rhetoric he likes to give on an almost yearly basis. Most of those players you say that aren't giving enough impact are very good return for where they're selected. AJ Epenesa, for example, is often talked about as a bust. But compare him to other 2nd Round DE's over the past 15 years who were taken in Round 2, let alone at the bottom of Round 2 and he looks pretty damn good.

I got news for you, if you look at the Drafts in previous years (especially if you want to go as far as back as, say, using Cody Ford as an example) - you're going to find that everyone has had misses. And a fair amount too if you go that far back. Especially when you consider where we're generally picking. Look at the number of 2nd Round Picks we bring in to camp from other teams to Training Camp and the Practice Squad in recent years, for example. We just signed a guy in Phidarian Mathis to the active roster that was Washington's 2nd Round pick bust in 2022. It feels like he misses a lot bc you focus on the Bills. But the fact is if you analyze every team's picks over the past 8 drafts - you're going to find a lot of misses in the first two picks. That's the nature of the Draft.

So we now know that Hardman and Davis will be active and Coleman will not. The question now is - who else will be inactive? Are we going to carry 6 with Hardman handling returns? Or are we going to carry 5 like we usually do? I would sit Shavers. But I doubt they will because he's been active every game (mainly for Special Teams). So then it's likely Samuel and Moore inactive if we're only carrying 5, or either Samuel or Moore if we're carrying 6.

Funny you should mention that. Bc they said Gabe wouldn't be playing just yesterday. That said, I wasn't referring to them. I was referring to random TSW posters (and random Twitter accounts) who claim to have "sources". *Way* more likely than not, that info isn't worth the bandwidth used to make the post.

Bc there is nothing more unreliable than a random board member or a Twitter user saying they have sources - inside a building that is notoriously tight lipped on everything. This is a team that even the biggest sources have a hard time getting a beat on. As Adam Schefter once put it "if the Bills are involved, they'll just be known as a "mystery team" until it goes down". All posters with "reliable sources" from this board have been given info that has been proven wrong. And if this info is something they had, why are they only mentioning it now when Coleman is benched? Everything about that looks sus.