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Yeah, I was a little surprised to see him signed so quickly. But it's pretty clear that the plan was to make him their new Return man, which is why he was signed and Codrington was cut.

Exactly. He made the most of increased reps today and he did surprise me. I have been pretty outspoken about my thoughts on him to this point, which were not good. And while I was pleasantly surprised today, we were going up against the 24th ranked Pass Defense that notoriously plays their Safeties low, often to a detriment. All that said, he did show something though. Which is a lot more than I can say for Keon Coleman and Elijah Moore this season (outside of Coleman's game Week 1).

Rodgers broke his wrist in his non throwing hand. He's been telling people he won't be out long. Josh broke his wrist in his non throwing hand last season and didn't miss a game. And on Joe Burrow:

This didn't change my perception that this isn't a Super Bowl team one iota. It's always fun to get a win. But this was a Tampa Bay team that lost their WR1 in Mike Evans a month ago. Today they were also down Chris Godwin, as well as their star RB Bucky Irving. And they still ran for over 200 yards with an Undrafted Syracuse RB. They still gave up 32 points to a team that beat up. While it was certainly encouraging to see the passing game look better than it has since Week 1 with Gabe Davis interjected, Josh Palmer returning from injury, and Tyrell Shavers getting a bigger role - it's important to know that the Buccaneers have the leagues 24th ranked Pass Defense. They also play their Safeties pretty low, which offers more opportunities deep (as Gabe pointed out Post Game). Long story short, it was good to get the win. But I don't consider the Buccaneers, especially the team they were fielding today, to be a Super Bowl contending team. And it was a battle until the very end. Though I'd love to be wrong, I still don't believe this team is built to actually defeat the leagues best, at their best.

I hear this all the time and I tend to think it's overblown. Josh is the kind of guy to always say the right thing. This time however, the right thing in the moment has come back to bite him in the butt. It's my belief that the famous "you were the guy I wanted" line would have been said to any WR we took. It's like Beane always saying that they got "their guy" every single year. Or that whomever they Drafted was "the last guy we had a 1st Round Grade on". If Josh was truly pounding the table for Keon and Keon alone, they wouldn't have risked missing out on him by trading down not once, but twice to teams they knew were selecting Wide Receivers. 3 teams (Kansas City, San Francisco, and Carolina) selected WR's between when we went on the clock at 28 and selected Coleman at 33. I simply cannot believe that if Coleman was THE one that they'd have risked it. I believe the reality is that Beane felt that after MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, and BTJ that there wasn't much separating guys like Worthy, Legette, and Coleman (as we were looking at Outside guys only) and so long as one of them was still available, he'd keep stockpiling assets. That Josh prob liked all of them for different reasons and/or didn't actually have a dog in the fight and the line he's being killed for since then was just public relations lip service, hyping up "our guy" - as the team always does.

I couldn't disagree with this more. 300 years from now they'll have all the audio, video, and literature documentation of 20th century music and beyond. *Much*, much more than we have of musicians from 300 years past. Perhaps only the vast majority of casual music listeners or people who don't really listen to music will know of only those acts. But I'd venture to say the contributions of many more musicians than just those will be known by far more people than you think. And especially historians.

I just don't think it does improve. I really don't. This just is what it is. Undersized LB's who aren't what we thought they were (Bernard) or aren't what they used to be (Milano). DT's that are more suited for getting up field than stout run stuffers. No Oliver. No Hoecht (who's injection really revolutionized our pass rush). And on top of all of that, this is the ole' "bend but don't break" (vomit) Defense. They just don't focus enough on the run. They practically *want* teams to run all over them. And the soft zone is easy to find holes in. That's simply not going to change while McDermott's here. All you can hope for is guys to play with their hair on fire when it matters. But I just don't see much changing. Too many spots where guys just aren't good enough and the scheme is just broken.

Shakir is banged up. Kincaid is on the shelf for the foreseeable future. Probably at least a couple more weeks. And if he shows something there, you could get more in a trade after this season. Who are we to question what? A hypothetical scenario where his attitude is so bad that they choose to cut him? He was sat for his indiscretion. If they felt what you're implying they could feel - they'd have just cut him this week instead of sending him a message. From his Postgame interview, it doesn't seem like he's disgruntled. The media peppered him with questions where he could have easily went off. He didn't take the bait and took accountability - when he could have easily told the reporters to F off and not even field questions. If he continues to show nothing, then you trade him in the off-season. It's as simple as that. You can potentially get something for Coleman and you get nothing for Moore. There's at least some potential for growth with Coleman and Moore is who he is. And ultimately, Coleman not taking a step isn't any worse than Moore.

Everyone knows Tyler Bass is healthy now. Once you put someone on IR, you can keep them there as long as you'd like. You don't have to activate them to the roster if you don't want to. There's no rule that says once healthy, they must come off IR. And there's just no reason to put him in cold while Prater is still handling the job fine. Suggesting both the team and Coleman himself (as he did an interview after the game) are lying about him being deactivated for missing a team meeting is simply ludicrous. Him simply being inactive bc of performance is a much better look for Coleman. And much less of an issue for the team to deal with in the media.

Then you trade him after the season. You act as if Elijah Moore is some kind of massive loss compared to Coleman. He has 115 yards all season. He gets open just as often as Coleman does. You cut him and there's a pretty decent chance you can get him back on the Practice Squad. You cut Coleman, not only are you missing out on potential growth on and off the field (even if that looks unlikely), you lose out on guaranteed money, lose out on his potential in the Slot (which we haven't tried), and lose out on a potential return (even if it's minimal) on a change of scenery trade after the season - if it's still not working out. Outside of wanting to do something out of anger, there's no logical reason to release Coleman instead of Moore.

Releasing Coleman over Moore is a knee jerk, emotions based move a fan would make. Not a smart GM. Moore is providing us nothing. He's the first WR made inactive if everyone is healthy. After this year, he's gone. We get nothing for him anyways. Coleman is only a year and a half into his career. You've yet to try him inside (which is something we could try with Gabe and Palmer on the Outside), where he may be better suited. And again, at the very least, there's a good chance you could get a return on him after this season. Even if it's a minimal one, it's better than nothing.

Thanks, I missed that play. If Hardman is legitimately injured, then it's an easy pathway. But with what he's shown in the past, I'm not ready to say one bad game coming off the couch and on to the field in 5 days and you're out of here. I'd take my chances with him over Moore who provides nothing. You've made a big investment into him and, yes, he's floundered it horribly. But he's a year and a half into his career. With Palmer and Davis on the Outside, it's worth a shot to see if he can bring something moved inside. And at least, there's a chance you get something out of him after this year in a trade (even if it isn't much). Teams take chances on "change of scenery" moves all the time. Especially so fresh into their career. We got something for Kaiir Elam and he was much further into his career as a Bust than Keon. As bad as Coleman's been, he doesn't give us less than Elijah Moore does.

Completely forgot about him. I think that depends on how bad his "calf injury" is and who's going to handle returns if he's not here. That was a terrible decision he made. No doubt about that. But he was providing good returns for us before that and we didn't use him at all on Offense (that I can recall). I think it's a tough ask to come in off the couch and suit up in less than a week. I think i'd give him some time. We haven't really seen him on Offense yet. I'm not ready to walk away from him that quickly.

Outside of the drop in the end zone where the ball was on him like a bullet, Gabe provided key pick ups for us, especially on the 4th Down slant. It's clear he has rapport and trust from Josh and opened things up in the passing game more than what we've been seeing of late. We're not going to carry 8 WR's on the roster. Samuel needs to stick so we can pick up his cap relief as a release next off-season. Shavers is important on Special Teams and came up big today. Releasing Coleman (which I'm sure people will call for) a year and a half after spending a 2nd on him wouldn't be wise. You're likely to get something (even if it isn't much) for him in the Off-season. And with Davis and Palmer on the field, you might want to try him inside and see how that goes. That leaves (outside of obvious options that won't even be a thought like Shakir and Palmer) the other WR that was inactive today. And I don't think there's any question that Gabe is a better option than what we've been getting out of Elijah Moore. Teams are in rough shape all over the league at WR. Maybe you wait and see if someone tries to poach him first and make the move then. But he should be on the field every game going forward. Edit: Forgot about Hardman, as he wasn't used much more than as a Returner today. And while he had a boneheaded turnover, I'm not ready to just cut bait on him after one bad game that came less than a week removed from him coming off of his couch. Especially when he did provide good stuff in the Return game before that. If he's healthy, I'd rather take my chances on Hardman's speed and experience over Moore's - especially when we've seen what Moore provides and there's more upside to Hardman.

What the hell. Wide open and he just sails it? Dammit Josh.

Well Milano, Poyer, White, and Jones are Free Agents after this year and none of them are likely to come back Johnson could be a cap casualty. Solomon would be on Special Teams for the most part, if not for the injury to Hoecht. But we're stuck with Bernard for at least another year.

And here I thought Bucky Irving out would help. Of course Sean Tucker comes in and plays like he's the second coming of Ladanian Tomlinson.

Irving's out and a F'n Undrafted Backup RB out of Syracuse looking like he's a Pro Bowler. So frustrating.

I said it when it happened and a bunch since, will prob say it again bc it still just baffles me. But extending Bernard before we had to made no sense to me. He regressed in 2024. Started getting dinged a ton. MLB isn't a premium position that you need to put a premium pick into or pay a lot for. He wasn't playing at a level that would be difficult to replace. I wouldn't have extended him, especially before we needed to. At most, I'd have waited to see how this year went first. And he's even worse this year. Just a dumb move any way you slice it.

You're likely not to get much. Certainly not close to return on investment. But these kind of "change of scenery" trades happen all the time within a couple years of a player being Drafted. If there were a team that liked him pre-Draft and/or thinks they can use them differently and get more out of him, I don't think it's crazy to think something like a 5th for Coleman and a 7th could happen. He's not as much of a lost cause as Elam seemed and we were able to get around the same return for him. And teams are always trying whatever they can at WR.

My mistake - I didn't notice you were replying to two people. That's what I get for replying to things while trying to also pay attention to the game.

Devolved into? That was my only point in the whole conversation and the only point you replied to. That's the whole discussion I'm having. I'm not arguing whether or not he needs to do a better job with how he allocates funds or other moves he makes or doesn't make.

Chris Kelsay had 32.5 sacks throughout 10 seasons. Greg Rousseau has 28 through 4 and a half seasons. He's better than Kelsay. But not quite Aaron Schobel yet. Though Schobel didn't become a Pro Bowler or an All Pro until Years 6 and 7.

Actually, nothing to see here. I deleted the post bc looking into it more, he blacked out his profile pic a while back. Dudes just clickbaiting.

Well that's just it. If you're picking at the bottom of Round 1 at the highest and especially if you're picking one in Round 2 or 3 - you're not getting someone who's considered a difference making, stud prospect at premium positions. Positions like RB (James Cook), OG (O'Cyrus Torrence), TE (Dalton Kincaid), MLB (Terrel Bernard, Tremaine Edmunds) you're going to get more bang for your buck because they aren't a premium position. Just like any pick anywhere, you could get lucky and they exceed the expectations of their scouting report. But 'lucky' is the keyword there.