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Palmer is our #2 next season. Shakir will be in the Slot. Shavers is under contract next year as well and could return as WR6. Coleman may be a part of a trade. Or he could enter Elam territory where we give him more time but he's considered no greater than our 4th WR. Basically, they just need a True #1 next season to line up next to Palmer and Shakir. He's either going to have to make a trade, trade up in the Draft, or lure away someone like George Pickens or Mike Evans in Free Agency. We can fill out the other spot or two on the bottom with a Day 3 Pick and/or low price Free Agents.

We're not discussing his appearance on WGR or how he's fumbled the WR Room. That's been covered to death and we all know his failures there. We're discussing him having too many 1st and 2nd Round Busts in his tenure and the fact is that it's not any higher than most teams in the league. Not every 1st and 2nd Round Pick is created equal. We haven't had a Top 10 selection since 2018 and 2019. Since then we've picked in the 23-30 range and twice didn't have a pick in the 1st Round. Most years we're picking outside of the range of how many "1st Round Grade" prospects are available in the Draft, regardless of the rhetoric he likes to give of "we got the last player we had a 1st Round Grade on" rhetoric he likes to give on an almost yearly basis. Most of those players you say that aren't giving enough impact are very good return for where they're selected. AJ Epenesa, for example, is often talked about as a bust. But compare him to other 2nd Round DE's over the past 15 years who were taken in Round 2, let alone at the bottom of Round 2 and he looks pretty damn good.

I got news for you, if you look at the Drafts in previous years (especially if you want to go as far as back as, say, using Cody Ford as an example) - you're going to find that everyone has had misses. And a fair amount too if you go that far back. Especially when you consider where we're generally picking. Look at the number of 2nd Round Picks we bring in to camp from other teams to Training Camp and the Practice Squad in recent years, for example. We just signed a guy in Phidarian Mathis to the active roster that was Washington's 2nd Round pick bust in 2022. It feels like he misses a lot bc you focus on the Bills. But the fact is if you analyze every team's picks over the past 8 drafts - you're going to find a lot of misses in the first two picks. That's the nature of the Draft.

So we now know that Hardman and Davis will be active and Coleman will not. The question now is - who else will be inactive? Are we going to carry 6 with Hardman handling returns? Or are we going to carry 5 like we usually do? I would sit Shavers. But I doubt they will because he's been active every game (mainly for Special Teams). So then it's likely Samuel and Moore inactive if we're only carrying 5, or either Samuel or Moore if we're carrying 6.

Funny you should mention that. Bc they said Gabe wouldn't be playing just yesterday. That said, I wasn't referring to them. I was referring to random TSW posters (and random Twitter accounts) who claim to have "sources". *Way* more likely than not, that info isn't worth the bandwidth used to make the post.

Bc there is nothing more unreliable than a random board member or a Twitter user saying they have sources - inside a building that is notoriously tight lipped on everything. This is a team that even the biggest sources have a hard time getting a beat on. As Adam Schefter once put it "if the Bills are involved, they'll just be known as a "mystery team" until it goes down". All posters with "reliable sources" from this board have been given info that has been proven wrong. And if this info is something they had, why are they only mentioning it now when Coleman is benched? Everything about that looks sus.

If you go back through 6 Drafts (to get to the Ford miss) and compile all picks in Round 1 and Round 2 (generally at least 12 picks), you're likely to find 4 misses between the two rounds on most teams. No one goes perfect in the Draft. Especially when you take into account where we select. I mean, just look at all the guys who were taken in Round 2 from other teams that we end up bringing to Camp or signing to the Practice Squad in recent years.

Fair point. I went back and forth with them on Twitter about that yesterday and they were saying "they were told" what would happen and that Gabe would sit. Maybe things changed and the potential that what they were told could change between today and tomorrow is also a real possibility. We shall see.

The ole' "I heard from a reliable source"... that only comes after something happens 🤣

Wow. Well.... this is a surprise. Not to say it isn't warranted. Just surprising to see them go from giving him far and away the most amount of snaps of any WR to a healthy scratch. Big message sent. I wonder how he'll handle it? Honestly, if we're at this point, I'd look to do a change of scenery move with him in the Off-season.

Yeah, I think he's a definitive upgrade from a number of the guys we have in the core. Which says how bad of a shape we're in with the WR room. But again, my hope was that he'd be coming in to a healthy pass catching room and providing more to it. Kincaid is far and away our top guy at getting open and making plays these days. Davis coming in and Kincaid coming out doesn't make us better in my eyes. Would love to be wrong though.

Agreed. I had hoped that the return of Palmer and Davis being injected into the Offense would provide a little something extra. But that was with Kincaid in the Offense. Them coming in but losing Kincaid long term is one step forward, one step back.

One thing I wouldn't rule out is a Practice Squad elevation of Te'Cory Couch. He's primarily a Nickel and I don't think it's a coincidence he was brought back into the fold last week.

Oh Dear God no... We've already done this before with this very video in the downright *hilarious* "Are McBeane secretly creating an elite offense?" thread. We had empirical evidence that the passing game was broken before and after this video came out. I don't know what games you've been watching, but the passing game absolutely is NOT better.

I tend to agree with this. Have seen many posts on this board and on social media calling for Coleman to be inactive. I just don't see that. I know that fans and to an extent the team are disappointed in him. But I don't see them taking him from the guy that has far and away the most snaps as an Outside WR on Offense all season to a healthy scratch. I also agree that you're not likely to see Hardman actived this quickly. I don't see both PS elevations given to just one position. And I see them viewing Gabe as providing more than Hardman would on just three practices. One thing I definitely don't see is them sticking Shakir back there to return Punts while banged up. If you have Codrington active, as you do, he'll be handling the Returns. He provides nothing as a DB so it doesn't make sense to have him active if he isn't doing Returns. I'd be pleased to be wrong, but I feel like if Hardman were someone they felt was that important to revitializing the passing game as you do and were going to put him on the field less than a week after signing him on three practices - they'd have put him on the 53. Especially when they had/have an open spot on the 53 at the time of signing Hardman and now as well. The open roster spot will go to T.J. Sanders. Even if he were to be inactive and the 53rd spot went to a WR temporarily, that would mean we would need to call up a Defensive Lineman with both Sanders and Mathis out. And we'll also need to call up a DB with both Taron and Cam out. I just don't see a realistic way we'll be calling up both Davis and Hardman. And I see them wanting Davis active over Hardman.

Unexpected Positive: Khalil Shakir puts in a Full Practice and is good to go. Unexpected Negative: Taron Johnson goes from Full Practice to Limited and has a setback with his injury, most likely leading to him being Out again.

Well the friction between McDermott and him makes sense now. Between that, him storming into the medical tent to push his QB on to the field, and now this - seems Daboll is a bit of a problem behind the scenes. I don't think you'll see him back here in any role.

I've said it a number of times on this board already, but everyone makes strength and conditioning the scapegoat. I think McDermott has them going too hard on each other in Practice. I remember the practice where Ed Oliver was initially injured, if you go back and watch the press conference he did after that practice (following the season opener) - he talked about the difficulty of going full pads and full go less than two days after a grueling game. It kind of raised my eyebrows, especially since he was injured in that practice. I'm just speculating as even the media doesn't see the full go practices. But we've had a number of strength & conditioning teams and it never changes the sheer amount of injuries we have every year, both on the field and in practice. We're either really unlucky or the only other constant is the coach and how he goes about the week.

Welp - it's on Mecole Hardman and Gabe Davis to help us this year. It is what it is. What's done and done. All we can do is look to next year for the WR Train. There will be hopes for Trades. But as far as Free Agents go - there's some good ones available (if they aren't Franchised) and the three i'd be looking at are: George Pickens Mike Evans Alec Pierce Unsurprisingly, expectations are that Alec Pierce will have a pretty big market:

Exactly my point. We should be thanking our lucky stars that he chose Morgan Fox and didn't go with Boogie Basham.

The Trade Deadline has passed. It's Week 11. We lost Hoecht and Jackson for the year. We need bodies. What do you think we're going to come up with off the street at this time of year?

Doubtful. Khalil Shakir has a rib issue and popped up on the Injury Report today. Likely he doesn't play as Ribs often mean a week off. I doubt Coleman goes from taking far and away the top reps on the team at WR to straight up inactive. At most, I'd imagine he's active but has his reps cut into. I think there's more of a chance that they try Coleman inside for Shakir than he'll be a healthy Scratch. I also think if anyone's activated from the PS at WR, it will be Davis before Hardman.

The font keeps getting thinner as the list grows longer. One of the frustrating things about all these Practice Squad moves with guys like Davis, Hardman, and Fox, who could all help - probably won't see elevations bc those two elevations are constantly needed to be used for the growing list of players who are Out on a week to week basis. I guess the good news is (thus far) we only have one DNP (outside of Kincaid who we all knew was down for a while) and it's not really an issue. But as we all know, Limited is a 50/50 proposition, at best. Hopefully we see most of this list move from Limited to Full as the week goes on.