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Just give it to 'em ... 'Nough said ...

Does anyone know when they shifted the understanding of the goaline from a 'vertical plane extending forever in each direction' to you must get the ball into the end zone within the boundaries? That was always the description I remember being talked about when I was younger ...

Possibly (one of the theories that I've heard) it is a slurring of the words "Beautiful Water" in French ... Beau Eau. Others have a Native American explanation that I cannot recall.

Kind of like Barry Sanders waiting until right before training camp to retire ... No chance for the Lions to replace him either.

I've always wondered why they don't standardize the bye issue ... How difficult would it be to have teams play another team coming off of a bye? Or ... Have an entire division off on a week and follow up with divisional games?

Oh ... you wanted Thad to intentionally miss the handoff to your HOF running back so he can make it a broken play and run it in to garner all of the attention for himself? Or did you just mean you wanted a TD?

On the Pats last FG, the play clock ticked down to 0 and then reset to 25 and they snapped the ball at 23 ... No flag The play before, just before the Bengals call timeout, Brady flinches to set his man in motion by shaking his shoulders, no flag for illegal procedure. Just over 2 minutes and the Bengals need 2 yards for a first to run out the clock and the Pats have 12 men on field, Bengals all set to snap the ball, no penalty for too many men ... I thought the whistle blows if that is the case and the penalty is automatically called ... I've only been watching the game for 10 minutes and the Pats are getting away with obvious penalties ... Non-subjective penalties that are not usually missed ... 3 in a row?

Just to be sure ... I've seen it said a few times in this thread ... Defensive holding doesn't have to be on a pass play. There are times that a DT is flagged for holding an OL so that a LB can knife through the line. The penalty is not just called against eligible receivers.

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I think he's saying that there should be a total moratorium on talking to and hiring HC candidates, not just those who are involved in the playoffs. It certainly does prevent a team from waiting for a hot shot coordinator from a Super Bowl team as it hinders the hiring of their assistants. Is it unfair to those coordinators? Maybe. But I can't see a team losing a month of preparation because they have no head coach ... Unless it was their decision to wait for one of those coordinators. I can't see the NFL making teams go without coaches ...

Tasker was ejected in his last game IIRC ... Tough way to go out ...

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That's also why they don't let the commissioner make changes to the rules and instead use a competition committee ... One man's idea of a terrible idea is often exactly what is needed for progress and improvement ...

1. No victory formation ... If you want to run down the clock at the end of a game, you must get positive yards. A tackle in the backfield amounts to an extra timeout for a defense that is trailing. 2. PATs from the 20 (or 25) ... It's not a free throw kind of situation. That point shouldn't be almost guaranteed. 3. Unnecessary roughness penalties for hits when a player is already down ... I know this adds a judgment call into the hands of the refs, but what happened to the day when a defender would simply tag down a WR who had caught the ball as he fell and was now laying on the turf? That is the pure definition of 'unnecessary roughness' ... No roughness is necessary to tackle the receiver, just tough him.

I really still believe that Mularky ruined JP, too ... When he was thrown into the Patsies game, with no practice while being suited up as the third QB, when the first and second string weren't hurt on the spur of the moment without time to warm up ... As a 22 year old kid, that can end any confidence that you may have had ... And all that against one of the more dominant teams of the last 12 years. Plus he quoted Yoda at press conferences ...

A man I could call a friend, but hadn't seen in years ... When he would shake your hand at church, we always said he was shaking your elbow. He was a true gentle giant and a great man!

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I must be old, too ... I thought we were all in 'this' together. I don't let my fun infringe on those around me. Act towards others how I would want to be treated. I've been going to games since 1979 ... Maybe I was a little naïve back then, but I didn't see/hear nearly the volume of what took place on Thursday. When the extent of every sentence that is uttered (screamed, really) in my hearing has more f-bombs than any other part of speech ... I just simply watch the game unless the surrounding people become abusive or obnoxious directly towards me or my wife. Y'know ... Try to not infringe my fun (watching the game) on the fun of those around me (drinking beyond drunkenness, being vulgar towards other spectators and/or players and their families, hiding contraband, ... Generally just being more involved in anything besides what is taking place on the field).

Have to address the Beebe play ... Rules are clear, when any part of your body besides your feet or hand touch the ground after contact with an opponent (whether or not they caused the part of your body to touch the ground) you are ruled down by contact and there can be no fumble. Beebe was upended by an opponent and the first thing to hit the ground was his head which caused him to drop the ball. Correct call was no fumble.

I've always been in favor of adopting what they have in arena leagues. On a run play, you must gain yardage or the clock stops ... Doesn't create a rule that is difficult to police or find loopholes in & makes more plays more meaningful. Just my thought.

I remember turning to my brother and making a motion to him with my fingers, saying we need to kick it ... We should have kicked it there ... I'm glad we didn't!

My brother and I were a little confused on the 10 second runoff ... We thought that the runoff only takes place if the penalty causes a stoppage of the clock. Since the clock was already stopped due to the spike/incomplete pass ... Should there still be a runoff?

I didn't read all the responses, so this may have been mentioned. Mark is a friend of mine and to my knowledge he still suffers from migraines.

You're right ... You don't have facts to back it up.