Nephilim17

Not gonna read through almost 30 pages on this but funny to see it blow up in sports media everywhere. I know it's not popular but like @Coach Tuesday I would not be surprised to see Beane apologize shortly. Even if he doesn't mean it, just for optics. I don't think the Bills organization likes the attention this has gotten.

Good to know about his build. I personally would never want a 154 lb player unless he was the fastest and most elusive guy in the world. And even then...

Moore is under 5'10" and weighed 178 at the combine. He may have put on a few pounds of muscle since but I doubt he has the size to block at the level the team expects. Very curious.

I guess it depends on your assessment of certain players. I'm no draft expert but guys I trust liked Royals and Horton who went much lower in the 4th and 5th and we're there for the Bills.

He used the word "B word" four times in a couple minutes. I know it's not 1950 and that word is semi-acceptable now but that shows at the very least he's quite annoyed. Not unhinged but upset. I think the fact that Beane and McD in the recent past (was this a talking point last off-season?) said we had to add more explosiveness to this offense and yet we never addressed that is the big point. Palmer has some verticality to his game and he separates but he's not explosive. Very, very few people were asking for a WR in the first three picks but there were guys that ticked that box and had good consensus grades there to be had in the fourth or even fifth rounds. It's not binary: you can go D heavy throughout most of the draft and still take a WR in the 4th or 5th. That's not unreasonable. That's what most critical fans are talking about.

But Samuel is not a vertical WR.

No WR in the 4th. Barring yet another trade up...

Disappointed about Thornton. And wrong about taking another DT.

I think everyone looking for a big 1 tech is in for a disappointment. Like to see a speed WR and then BPA.

I don't get the critiques that a mid-round guy can't just be big, fast and have a limited route tree. We've drafted rotational DTs in the third round for pete's sake. If a 6'5" receiver who can run 4.3 just runs flies and posts and we take him in the 4th, I'm damn good with that. You can teach route running; you can't teach those measurables. And even if the route running never improves, stretching the D is still valuable.

Get a speed WR, preferably one with size, and I'm happy with this draft.

No, no, he killed this guy and wears his face as a mask.

Also remember Sanders is still only 21 years old and 6'4". He can still add mass to his frame.

With the 4 big picks we moved up 15 in the second and moved down only 10 to the top of the third. And we guaranteed getting the player Beane wants. That's fair. If you don't like the pick that's a separate issue.

As per @GunnerBill's thought that we did NOT LOSE 2 seconds... Look at it this way: 1. We moved up 15 spots from 56 to 41 2. We moved down 10 spots from 62 to 72. We lost one of our two fourths and got pick 240. That's not egregious at all to go up 15 spots. We only move down 10 with our second 2nd-rounder.