DrBob806

Cincy goes 7-10 Cowboys reach the SB Atlanta is much improved after canning Arthur Smith Cleveland wins AFC North for the 1st time since 1989 Bills grind out an 11-6 season, win AFC East NY Jets go 8-9 but sweep the Bills somehow JA 32 TDs 13 INTs Something heartbreaking happens in the Bills 1st playoff game and they lose (maybe that's not bold)

Big Ben played 18 years, never had any type of endorsement deal, kind of odd considering his production. He was Deshaun Watson before Watson came into the league. The Georgia sheriff's office was gaga over him, basically blew off the rape allegations.

Lol yeah in a way. The Browns from 2008-2017 were about as bad as any sports team in any league, ever (42-118).

People forget that the Houston Texans set the hotel rooms up for him, helped enable him, and they got off scott-free. It was a PR nightmare for the NFL, who decided to punish the Cleveland organization because of the silly guaranteed contract, and suspend him for 11 games. No excuses for Watson's behavior. Remember though, all this stuff came out after Watson had a hissy fit with the owner about not being involved in the GM search. So they exposed him and his deeds while he was a Texan. So instead of punishing that organization, Goodell punished Cleveland for signing him....pretty ass-backwards if you think about it.

Agree. The huge mane of hair helped him stand out.

Big Ben Ray Lewis Terrell Suggs John Elway

Why do people get worked up about this stuff? There's 32 teams, and about 10-12 standout QBs, just like always. What?

...and Kevin Greene

Uh you're wrong on some points here. I also live in Cleveland and he's on WKNR (sports talk radio)via a phone call Monday through Friday during football season on the morning shift, analyzing Browns football. He remains one of the most beloved players in Browns history. The organization did fire him from preseason announcing several years ago. I'm sure he has demons, mainly drinking. You'd drink a lot too if your owner kicked you to the curb and moved your team somewhere else. Then, when the Browns came back into the league, the new ownership group used him as a selling point and dropped him like a hot potato after getting the bid.

Usually when a team makes 3 AFC Title games, they're not dismal.

Wow. He was a top QB in the AFC for 4-5 years, 3 AFC Title games. One of the best deep throwers ever, very smart QB.

Browns are my 2nd favorite team but I hate the owner.

Yep. I've been an NFL fan since 1971, Mahomes is the best I've seen.

Eric Metcalf. Why he isn't in the HOF is a mystery.

37-30 in 4 years. Won 11 games twice (made playoffs both times). Flacco was their 4th starting QB last year, and Stefanski won games with PJ Walker at QB (beating SF in one of those). He's solid.

Good question, I'll bite: Ryans is new, brings great energy, kind of unproven but looks promising Stefanski has quietly settled the Browns down. We Bills fans B word about McD & injuries, would the Bills have won 11 games with 4 different QBs and 3rd string OTs? LaFleur did well without Rodgers, when nobody thought he would Campbell has certainly turned the Lions around I'm not sure if those 4 coaches are better than McD, but they're worthy of praise.

I could see Cincy winning 11 or 12, or even losing 11 or 12 games.

Yep. There's absolutely nothing appealing about that team.

I think you misunderstood my post

90% of us fans all thought that the Bills had to play KC here in Buffalo, and it would do the trick. Turns out that was wrong. KC is just better all around. No shame in that honestly. They reality is we are all focused on KC, while teams like Houston, Cleveland, maybe Pittsburgh are all going to be even better than they were. Add Cincy, possibly Miami & the NY Jets. The AFC isn't easy.

Kinda sounds like our team, ouch.

Yep. Today's GMs have to have good business sense, and even a little bit of luck. It's truly real-world fantasy football with contracts.

His role really diminished after they canned Dorsey. Maybe that's a coincidence, maybe it's not. I mentioned OBJ because he is similarly toxic, threw Eli & Baker under the bus, the Rams released him, now the Ratbirds. Diggs had a couple good QBs with Cousins & Allen, and still whines. I say good riddance.

Not quite on the OBJ level of annoyance, but real, real close