UKBillFan

Not sure whether to believe that. For starters, the Vikings will be at the Buccaneers.

A game both teams want to lose.

Yes. Broncos - win and in Dolphins - in with a win and Denver lose Bengals - in if Broncos lose and Dolphins lose or tie

48% - though he wasn't helped by his receivers on a couple of throws.

This is one issue with having a defensive HC in charge of a franchise with a future HoF QB. The possibility of no stability in the offensive coaching room because they'll be headhunted (or, in Dorsey's case, fired for not meeting expectations). What's the odds on the Bills following the pattern from before and promoting Ronald Curry?

That's what happened (for the most part) last year and, from earlier posts, what may happen in the future. Not the strengths of this year. If the rookies considering to progress at the rate they have this year, I think the Bills could have one of the best rosters in football in the future. But that's not the case this year. Not that it's anywhere near the worst either.

I know this is not intentional, but it's going back to "Lamar would win but he's won two already..." Even if Josh wins it this year, it's already coming with a big 'BUT' and, because of it, to many, maybe even some on this board, it will come with an asterik against it.

You seem to be basing your belief on the future, where something may or may not happen, rather than what has actually happened this year.

That feels like that cheapens MVP for Josh, though."You've only got it cos Lamar's been awarded it twice already..." I felt this when Romo inferred that during commentary last week.

For all the praise of Kincaid, I actually think he's been a disappointment this year and, if anything, has regressed from last season. Cooper hasn't actually provided much in terms of receiving though I love the signing. The O Line is great, agreed. As per my discussion with Simon yesterday, the defense doesn't stand up to the eye test. Especially when compared to the likes of the Ravens.

Ah sorry, should have put passer rating. Though the argument stands; it's a ridiculous argument.

Cheers. Heard him say he would vote Josh to be MVP which is, frankly, even more baffling. Actually his whole argument is just confusing.

Cheers. Mahomes: 3928 yards, 28 total touchdowns, 11 turnovers, QBR 93.5 Josh: 3731 yards, 41 total touchdowns, 8 turnovers, QBR 101.4 Individual statistics for pro bowl? (Sorry, know you didn't want to go into his warped mind but...)

Out of interest, who does Wright think should have missed out for Mahomes?

That explains why Burrow is probably out of the running. I say probably but there seems to be a push for him of sorts. The other thing which perhaps held Josh back was Dorsey's sacking. I'm not sure if any QB has won the MVP after an OC change due to poor performance.

Is it the same voters every year? My big question would be why do stats matter this year when they weren't a priority last year.

I guess it's stats against the eye test. Stats say they're doing well. The eye test suggests something different. Yes, they were pitching a shutout against the Jets but they were getting down the field far too easily. It was individual player/coaching errors which cost the Jets, plus a couple of excellent individual plays from players on the D. It feels like, particularly since the Rams onwards, teams have drove at will on the Bills, particularly in the first half. The run defense, in particular, has looked easy to get at.

I think Zappe is an upgrade on Thompson-Robinson, but still expect the Ravens to blow the Browns out.

The offense is currently the best in the league. The defense... um...

Considering how the defense has backslid from Rams onwards (it didn't even look that good against the Jets for spells, though benefited from solo plays and odd play calling from the opposition) I do fear the only way the Bills can beat the Bengals and Ravens is via a shootout. As proven, the offense can keep up in a shootout, but it becomes something of a lottery as well.

Shocked but the right result with Josh. Shame about Cook and Brown; I think both deserve to be there. Outside of that, I understand the other choices.

Yes, sorry, should have said excluding the O Line. Was thinking about the players who receive the ball.

Other than Josh, no players from the offensive side of the ball on the list. Whilst Baltimore has a WR, TE and RB. Albeit Cook should be there, interesting point to add to the discussions about Josh and Lamar's respective weapons.

True - though he has every right to tell them where to shove it, rather than being rejected in the first place.

I've been thinking this as well. In my mind, the three AFC Pro-Bowl QBs should be Josh, Burrow and Jackson without question. But the Chiefs record will get Mahomes there again, as per usual. Would be hilarious is Josh is voted MVP but is first reserve, at best, for Pro-Bowl.