UKBillFan

No Josh against Minnesota or Cleveland? 6-4 here we come.

Take away one of Josh’s fluky interception’s yesterday and we would have won.

One bad drive when they were shattered. I think I'm recalling correctly that the defense got off the field on the first touchdown drive but Specials Team messed the bed on the fake, putting them out there. For the second touchdown, Josh gave them short field. The defense also saved us when we kicked out of bounds. Yes, one bad drive which lost the game, but others have to take more than their share of blame for yesterday's result. Point out that all three sides of our game had horrific moments yet they still only managed to beat us by three. We would have been blown out by a good team.

The day after the night before, I'm trying to think logically. Josh looked average to poor for much of the regular season last year post bye and look what he did in the play offs. The disappointment is I thought he had raised his floor but he hasn't. But he still has his ceiling. Making the post season is key. Anything after that is on the day, whether at OP or away.

No Hyde No Milano No Poyer No White From the second half, no Rousseau The only experienced, (arguably) quality, players we had out there were Edmunds and Miller. We probably were a bit lost. ETA - Oh and Phillips. Can’t even recall Oliver being mentioned.

Part of me is thinking we don’t want the post season bye if this is how we play coming out of one!

I know I replied to you on the other thread but to reiterate, I agree. We basically need to return to the approach we had with him to start the season and stick to it. But he wasn’t before the bye. He was at his most intelligence as a QB for the most part.

Typical luck for us. We were supposed to be on top of a dumpster fire whilst the four in AFC West destroyed each other. Instead it’s the other way round. It’d be nice if we had three dreadful teams to face annually like the Pats at their peak.

I sort of appreciate that we have tried to protect him slightly but telling him to cut down the risk taking but if it’s going to lead him into second guessing himself, and being uncertain, then forget it. It’s better to let him be himself.

I think I agree. Don’t run, slide, don’t take risks. No - that’s Josh. He’s just as likely, if not more so, to get injured in the pocket with this line. Let him go out and have fun.

I think that’s fair. For whatever reason, when Josh dips, he really dips. I appreciate Mahomes has the odd off game but he doesn’t seem to stay in, or return to, a funk as long as Josh does. Last year is a good example - awful in Jacksonville, decent at the Jets, dreadful against the Colts, good versus the Saints, couldn’t adapt our game in the wind when playing the Patriots (not all on him), then poor in the first half in Tampa. Second half he was great, but didn’t have his best game against Carolina, turned up in the revenge at Foxborough, then the horror show against the Falcons (most similar to tonight), before an ok showing in the final regular season against the Jets. It was a real rollercoaster ride, which is perhaps overshadowed by superhuman Josh turning up in the play offs. Then again, I’ve just had a look at Mahomes’ record last year and he only picked up a QBR of over 60 once between weeks five and thirteen so… perhaps ignore all of the above!

The post season is out of the question if he continues to play the way he did today.

Though the following week he threw three touchdowns against the Bucs. Josh looked very shaky in the fourth quarter against the Packers and compounded it at the Jets with very similar issues. I wouldn’t swap Josh for Mahomes, as good as the latter is, but these games crop up more often for him than Mahomes in general. And I really hope I have just jinxed Mahomes for tonight.

Josh and Mahomes have similar ceilings but the latter’s floor is much higher. I thought Josh had closed the difference in terms of the floor but he hasn’t.

If it was Tua we’d be saying he’s reverting to type. If it was Mac Jones we’d be laughing our heads off. If it was Wilson we’d be stating it was no surprise. But as it’s Josh…

The oddest thing is he had appeared to get out of that - Rams, Titans, Chiefs, Ravens… take what’s given, dink and dunk, maintain possession. Then, in the fourth quarter of the Packers and today he seems to have regressed into being locked into one read and making big plays.

The issue was we seemed to have no passing plan against Garrett Wilson. So if we pushed them to pass, they’d find it too easy to execute in the back field. I do think our plans would have been different had we not been missing Milano and Poyer.

As said elsewhere, the Bucs faced the Saints at home and got turned over 38-3 in 2020. One game doesn’t make a season. The worrying thing is the trends on both sides of the ball carried over from the back end of the Packers game into this one. I have some sympathy for the defense considering who was missing; none for the offense. On defense some of it was passivity but, like against the Packers, some of it was execution. How many tackles did we miss today?

What a lovely intelligent reply. Tell me, where has anyone said we should score 50 every game?

Josh was the issue, not Bass.

But if Josh is off, as he was, then adapt. The only way we were going to win was pound and ground; don’t be too proud or egotistical to take it.

13 in reality. Not sure I really blame the defense for the touch down after the second INT.

We didn’t need to score 50. Twenty one would have been enough.

But that works both ways. If the offense dinked, dunked and burned the clock then we’re on control. It feels like we’ve abandoned that approach since the bye.

And conceded 20 points, seven of those where the offense - well, Josh - basically handed them field position on a plate.