UKBillFan

That's a valid point though, in none of the last three games, did the offense need to over press or feel the need to score quickly. We were ahead in each. We just needed to protect the ball and dink and dunk. In all three interceptions, for example, Josh had dink and dunk opportunities available to him but he didn't take them. If you're down by a sizeable amount then perhaps you need to press but not when leading - not to the extent we appear to press.

I appreciate what you are saying but I do think, on the offensive side, Dorsey does seem to call schemes and adapt plays which result in simple plays being available underneath. The question is why doesn't Josh see them or take them, throwing into coverage instead. Can we pinpoint that on Dorsey? When it comes to the offensive side of the game, my bigger concern from a coaching viewpoint is why teams seem to be able to adapt to our run game at the half and we struggle to make changes in return.

Josh is a wonderful irritant. He has the physical ability to be the best Quarterback ever in my mind - the arm, the running game, the strength, it's astounding what he can do at his peak. Whilst I appreciate no one can be at their ceiling constantly, the mistakes he makes on a worrying regular occurrence are simple ones. I don't mind the first interception on Sunday as far as Josh's throw goes (the play call was odd but that's possibly on Dorsey); they can happen. The interceptions against the Packers, Jets and Vikings where he threw straight at a defensive player is baffling and concerning. Peterson said it best - Josh is still great but he needs to learn to take what the defense gives him. The annoying thing is it seemed like he had learned that lesson but is now regressing.

Josh is wasting himself. The coaches cannot be blamed for the inexplicable decision making over the past three weeks. They are plays you wouldn’t expect a rookie to continually make, let alone someone with Josh’s ability.

Like on defense, I’d say the issue is more execution than play calling. I’m not sure how Dorsey is to blame for Josh throwing utterly incomprehensible interceptions in moments that matter? Obviously there are situations where we can say the calling could be better but it’s not the principle reason we lost to either the Jets or the Vikings. Individual mistakes are.

One of the previous managers of the soccer team I support refused an offer to have undersoil heating fitted, using the argument what's the point of having it if the access routes are so dangerous the game would be called off anyway. Similar argument here.

This season is getting madder by the moment. If we win the Super Bowl at this rate, it'll be a minor miracle.

I guess the only grating I have in the back of my head is will he learn? It’s basically three games in a row where he’s made the same mistakes. Hearing him talk it through is nice but words are cheap if nothing changes.

Depends who is fit on defense and which Josh shows up. 50/50 for now.

We did the same in the second half against the Packers. It’s as though they were up a ton, by consistently running the ball, and we were chasing the game. If it doesn’t stand out now it never will - we cannot trust Josh’s passing game.

In both cases we beat ourselves rather than we’re beaten. A positive in that we should be able to turn it around, but mentally we don’t look prepared, and haven’t since the second half of the Steelers game.

On the stages of sporting grief I’m currently at anger and it’s twenty to one in the morning here but I can’t shake this albeit controversial opinion… I don’t trust Josh. Physically he’s the best Quarterback in the league bar none. Mentally he’s one of the worst. He’s coming across as having no respect for the ball or the opposition. The picks that he’s throwing are, for the most part, ridiculous. He seems incapable of learning lessons offered in preceding games. He is not a rookie but, more often that not, he plays like one. He could put five hundred yards and 10 touchdowns on the Browns and I still won’t trust him. This hero play is always there, under the surface, and it appears far too often for him to be anything about a thrilling, talented player but with flaws which means he won’t match expectations. I thought he was turning himself around with the run from the Wildcard game to the first half of the Packers, which hurts the most and is probably why I’m so fed up now.

He should have been after the Packers. He should have been after the Jets. Nothing's changed.

We say why don't we get the rub of the green from the refs. We did yesterday, and still managed to mess it up.

True - he switched positions out of necessity due to injuries. I don't think Lewis made a bad play as of such; nine times out of ten he would have come down with the ball. I don't think anyone expected Jefferson to do what he did, Jefferson included. I appreciate what you are saying about the coaching but the difference for me is the defense rectified the error, to a degree, by holding them up on the line. Josh made an error in fumbling the ball and then compounded the error but throwing the interception. And it wasn't a difficult interception or an all or bust throw like the first INT. It was a stupid play in a ridiculous situation.

A sixth round practice squad CB caught out on a fluke play is more to blame than a $250m supposedly future HoF QB completing a simple play?

If Josh didn't throw morinic picks we're 8-1. For all the blame thrown at an injury shredded defense that speaks volumes; in a positive way towards all sides of the ball. That's the most promising and infuriating thing.

Then reveal all or stay quiet. Don't prod the hornet's nest then run away saying he can't say more. Pathetic attention seeking and little more from him.

The defense offered a difficult position but not a horrible position. All Josh had to do was clasp the ball. If he managed it, he failed. Please tell me how the defense were to blame for his interception in over time? I'm dying to know.

This is where I am. OK, he said he played badly in the second half against Green Bay - he'll learn his lesson, fair play. Hmmm, I've heard his post Jets before from him, but at least he's taking the blame like he should. FFS, this is the third week in a row, enough with SAYING that you were bad, Josh, and actually follow up the interviews with actions. If he mucks up again agianst Cleveland in inexcusable circumstances, patience will be running thin. It shouldn't be that difficult to do the simple stuff right and not ram the ball three times in three games right down a defensive player's throat. Sorry, rant over. 😔

If any team can lose eight games in on day it's the Bills.

Oh good, another thread desperately trying to absolve Josh of blame.

Please don't pollute the board with posts by that sneering... I won't finish that sentence out of politeness.

Ok, but it goes beyond Lewis’ error as well but there is a real fixation on it.

It’s not just one pass from Josh though, is it? He’s repeated the same mistake three weeks in a row. In comparison, Cam Lewis is not good enough to be on the field for a Super Bowl contender but needs must. He got himself in a good position, did the natural thing of looking for an interception in the heat of the moment and got undone by a fluke play. Yes, others made errors, but Josh made two completely inexcusable ones, even if I let him off the first interception. They’re mistakes you wouldn’t expect a rookie to make regularly. You get paid the big bucks then basic execution should surely be the minimum requirement.