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I’m very happy in general with McD and Beane. I wrote that the calls here to fire McD foolish (to put it nicely). I also wrote that I was very happy with the work Beane did this offseason except the 2 WR signings. So your characterization of this thread is completely wrong. Not a surprise really.

The last two years 75% of his snaps were in the slot. He is no longer any type of threat from the outside. Sorry but that is the fact. I know you and others are desperate for this to be a great signing that makes this offense more dangerous. I get it, but his stats from the last two years say that isn’t what we are getting. We are getting a slot receiver who isn’t as good as what we already have. Will he get snaps when Shakir and Diggs are on the field? Sure, but he’ll be the 4th, 5th or 6th option on those downs. To me that’s a waste of cap resources.

No he’s not. Shakir is the slot receiver and is already a better player than Samuel. We don’t have the necessary boundary WR to replace Davis and that is the just one of the problems with signing Samuel.

My anger is about spending limited cap $ on a redundant asset. Had he spent $8 mill on a boundary receiver who could stretch the field, I might be disappointed we weren’t going young, but I’d be glad we filled an obvious roster hole. Samuel is also not as good as the people here think he is.

Who stretches the field? The slow old tall guy or the new underneath guy who isn’t as good as the slot guy we already have or the No.1 guy who could stretch the field last year?

Probably. Wasn’t Hodgins just released?

Lol. He’s a slot receiver. He had 7 carries last year. 7! I’d love this signing if we didn’t have a better player already in slot. Had Beane signed someone like Samuel when Beasley left I’d be happy as anyone else here, but Shakir has developed into a very good player, who was one our best offensive players down the stretch last season. To me this is just over priced depth with money that would be better spent elsewhere.

Edelman wasn’t on the team Amendola’s last year on NE in 2017. Sorry Charlie check your facts. Also Gronk had 592 yards on 39 catches in 2013. Again look up your stats.

He’s not even that. He is a 75% slot guy who plays outside some, but more often in the backfield.

The last year they played together Edelman had 1100 yards and Amendola 240. The best year they had together was Edelman 1050 yards to Amendola 650, but they had no decent boundary receivers.

By the way, Samuel spent 75% of his time the last two years in the slot. Last I looked that was where Shakir excels.

So? And he makes 8 times what Shakir does and Shakir is already a better player. The development of Shakir and Kincaid proved to me that we no longer needed to waste FA on WRs from other organizations. Instead we need to draft our own cost controlled talent. I know people here love the shinny new toy. However at best Samuel is our 4th best receiving option (and maybe 5th behind Cook). When the early draft pick outplays him and Samuel becomes our 6th or 7th best option, how will y’all feel about his $8 mill price tag when he’s seeing 3 balls a game?

I’d love to be wrong, but I doubt I will be. Go compare Samuel’s stats to Shakir’s. Shakir is taller, has similar speed and is significantly more clutch. Shakir averages 50% more yards per catch than Samuel. What does Samuel being that we don’t already have? Nothing.

Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5 Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48 Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis. Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy.

I didn’t want any WR FAs. The stats show that they usually underperform their contracts and we already have Kincaid, Diggs and Shakir. We have the underneath stuff covered. Samuel is a 650 yards receiver who doesn’t win catch battles. A Rookie receiver drafted 20-40 over the last 5 years has averaged about 700 yards as a rookie. We need someone who can stretch the field, not another mediocre underneath presence. Now play this out. What will the people on this board say if we draft someone like Mitchell or Worthy at 28 and they drive Samuel to the bench? What will they say when Samuel drops some key 3rd down catches, which he does with regularity? They’ll say why did Beane waste money of this guy. I was really happy with how this offseason was going, but these two terrible WR signings make me really wonder what Beane is doing for the offense.

So what was the compliant about Diggs, Shakir and Kincaid after the season? Why it was that they were all underneath players and that we needed some who could stretched the field. What does Beane give us? Why another underneath player (Samuel) and a tall older slow WR (Hollins), neither of which stretch the field. These signings make no sense at all when given the back drop of what the Bills were allegedly trying to do this off-season, aka get younger, cheaper and hopefully more talented.

We got the wrong Samuel. Y'all will be hating this signing by mid-season. He was supposed to be able to stretch the field when he came our of college, but all he is a mediocre version of Diggs who can run a jet sweep occasionally. This is a waste of 15 million. I was all onboard with Beane finally make this team younger and cheaper, but instead he wastes money on two exceedingly mediocre WRs.

When I look at the roster I see 40 slots pretty much locked in already for next season. Of those 40 I see 5 guys who could potentially get cut (Martin, Shorter, Anderson, Van Denmark and Spector), with Martin being the most vulnerable. The only starting job still up for grabs are the replacements for Davis and Poyer at WR & S respectively. I think Beane's biggest remain move before the draft will be getting a replacement for Poyer (I'm assuming the Rapp is Hyde's replacement). Sadly, the FA safety market is getting pretty thin. How much for Quandre Diggs on a 1 yr deal? Could Beane still be looking to add a significant piece the defensive front?

They re-signed Johnson today and Jackson has signed elsewhere. I think the Lewis and Hollins signings make it very unlikely Neal returns, but you never know. I didn't think Beane would find a way to get Jones & Epenesa back, but he did. Updated Roster: Offense 19 of 23 players (roster allocation to the position from 2023 in (x)). QB (2) - current 2: Allen & Trubisky RB/FB (4) - current 3: Cook, Johnson & Gilliam TE (3) - current 3: Kincaid, Knox, Morris WR (5) - current 4: Diggs, Shakir, Hollins & Shorter (Hamler & Isabella in the mix) Oline (9) - current 7: Brown, Dawkins, McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Anderson & Van Denmark (Doyle still in the mix) Defense 18 of 25 players Dline (10) - Current 6 - Jones, Oliver, Rousseau, Miller, Jonathan, & Epenesa (Cline and Ankou also in the mix) LBs (5) - current 5 - Milano, Benard, Williams, Morrow, & Spector CB (6) - current 4 - Johnson, Douglas, Benford, & Elam S (4) - Current 3 - Rapp, Hamlin, & Lewis (CB) Specialists 4 of 3 slots - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), Martin (P) & Haack (P) - one of Haack or Martin aren't going to make the team. Looks like there are 11 jobs still available - 1 RB, 1 (maybe 2) WR, 2 OL, 4 DL, 2 CB & 1 S. My guess is 6-7 of these jobs will go to draft picks (WR, S, CB, OL, RB, 2DL?). I'm happy about Ty Johnson coming back. It looks like we are down to only 2 starting jobs available - WR2 and S. Safety looks like the worst group position on the team with Rapp as a starter and Lewis and Hamlin as the depth. Also need 2-4 players on the DL.

Yep, the Falcons should now be able to compete for a playoff spot. We are a house divided; 2 Bills fans, 2 Falcons fans (but all Braves, Sabres & UGA fans). The Falcons fans are going to be very excited for the coming season.

Wow, a great trade for the Falcons. Moore, London and Moody are a pretty good receiving group.

Don't forget the Bills clear another 10 mill on 6/1 when White is officially released. Has any seen the contract terms (and cap hits) for Hollins and Morrow or the cap hit for Jones? I'm surprised that we haven't seen any numbers on the cap changes for Knox and Dawkins.

He earned a new deal. I’m glad he’s back.

I read on CBSsports last night an article saying what a good signing this was. That Hollins would be the replacement for Davis and he'd finally have an elite QB throwing to him. I almost choked on the glass of water I was drinking. I went to post the article here, but CBS has taken it down. I guess an editorial review decided that the author's suspect conclusions weren't worthy of remaining online.

Thank you. Why waste any $ over the minimum on a guy who at best will be our 6th or 7th pass catching option. As someone who lives in the ATL and watches (unfortunately) many Falcons games, nothing but his size stands out about Hollins.