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I fixed the headline. Great comments however.

All the WR folks not withstanding, Beane set out to rejuvenate the defense for future and improve it for next season and I think for the most part he has succeeded. I downgrade him some for signing 2 suspended player for the DL, but I like the depth he added there in the draft. Hairston is hopefully the future at CB and hoepfully White has enough left in the tank to be serviceable at CB if Hairston proves unable to win the starting job out of camp. The biggest impact signing by the Bills will be Bosa if he can remain healthy and on the field. That said, I don't think the Bills are the most improved team this offseason. Then again, they didn't need to be. So who has had the best offseason so far? Who has had the worst? PS. I started this thread because we need to discuss something other than the WR group.

I watched Hawes constantly get open against a good UGA defense. He made 4 catches that day and was always open. We obviously see a lot of Tech games in Atlanta. Hawes is an excellent blocker, but there is much more to his catch ability than advertised.

Pete give it up. The team lost the last two years in the playoffs because the team’s defense wasn’t good enough. The team averaged 30 pts a game last season and in the playoffs and still lost. This draft was about revitalizing the lousy defense. It was about adding depth and finding eventual starters to replace guys like AJE, Carter, White and others. Why is safety winning the poll? It’s simple. Even after a D prioritized draft there isn’t a single good player at safety. Rapp is adequate at best and Bishop is raw and unproven. Every other position group on the team has at least one good or better player. QB has Josh, RB has Cook, WR Shakir, the OL has Brown, Dawkins and McGovern, and TE has Kincaid and Knox. On Defense CB has Benford, LB Bernard and Milano, DT has Oliver and DE Rousseau and Bosa. All the complaining about the WR group isn’t going to change the facts. I’ll add that this is all on paper. If Coleman and Palmer step up, WR goes from mediocre to good. Bishop develops into the player Beane expected when drafted and the safety narrative also changes. Go back two years ago and I doubt most people had our OL as a strength with a rookie guard, the aging Mitch Morse at center, the inconsistent Brown and newly signed McGovern at the other guard. PS Safety 75- WR 67.

Beane really doesn’t have to worry about this until 5 weeks into the season. By that time we’ll know how all the current guys and rookies are doing, who is healthy and who isn’t and whether the two suspended idiots are able to get into game shape. I honestly don’t think Beane is going to worry about it too much about it until week 5. Remember Beane decided to keep both players even after learning about their suspensions. I understand why he kept Hoecht as he signed him for 3 years, but Ogunjobi was only signed for this coming season. Beane and McD must believe he brings a skillset we’ll need or he would have moved on.

They typically participate in camp and preseason, but then go on the suspension list once the regular season begins. They do not count against the 53 man roster. The interesting thing is that the players are barred from practice and the team facilities for the 1st half of the suspension. After that they can return to practice to get ready to return to the field. The players aren't paid during the suspension their salary, but I'm not sure the full affects on the salary cap. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/how-do-nfl-suspensions-work/#:~:text=A first-time offender will,the NFL's substance abuse policy.

The truth about all these WR rooms is that you don't know what you have until the season begins play. Injuries, rookie performance, offensive usage etc... all factor into whether a WR room works or doesn't. You also have to factor in the RBs and TEs into a full passing attack. Having good RBs and TEs lessens the need for great WRs. When I look at the Bills, I see a diversified group of pass catchers. I see 3 RBs that can catch and be utilized in different formations. I see two TEs who can catch and are factors in the passing game. Would anyone really be surprised if we had as many as 4 guys with 700+ receiving yards between our WRs and TEs? My biggest issue with the WR room is the lack of a consistent deep threat. Our longest pass plays last season by Josh to a WR were a 64 yarder to Coleman, and a 52 yarder to Shakir, our slot receiver. Davis had a 63 yard catch as well. If my memory serves all three of these plays had significant YAC. What stood out to me about Josh's season last year was the lack of downfield plays. That was a symptom of the offense, but I think it hurt the Bills at various points last season. Last season Josh had his lowest air yards on his throws for his career. It was down to 7.9 yards per attempt and only 3.6 yards per completion. The good news was our receivers, TEs and RBs gained 2005 yards after the catch last season. A career high for Josh of 6.5 YAC. The funny thing is that all these short throws didn't make Josh more accurate. His accuracy rate was 74.8% which is firmly in the middle of his career rates of 73.2 to 79.1. My take from all this is that the Bills still need to allow everyone to eat, but I'd like to see more explosive plays from the offense. To do that we need a fast deep threat. I wish we had drafted one, but I'd be satisfied with finding someone with that skill set in free agency (Moore?).

So your saying that there are so many factors, but bad QB play isn't one of them? Give me a break. If you don't think that inaccurate throwing by QB lowers WR stats, then you haven't been watching football. The title of this thread is the Bills group is the worst in the NFL and now your telling me that there are as many as 6 worse. Thanks for proving my point.

Bills Picks vs the non-Kiper guys at ESPN - Yates, Reid & Miller (in that order) 30 - Hairston - 22, 38, 43 41 - Sanders - 63, 46, 91 72 - Jackson - 57, 59, 48 109 - Walker - 146, 93, 143 170 - Hancock - 196, 126, 218 173 - Hawes - 172, 201, 194 177 - Strong - 129, 164, 158 206 - Lundt - 195, 110, 149 240 - Prather - xxx, 202, xxx From these boards the best value picks were Jackson, Strong and Lundt.

Palmer had much better QB play with Herbert then Moore ever had in NY or Cleve.

Safety down leads 61 to 54 over WR.

Is he really that much better? Palmer 4 seasons - 182/282 64.5% 2287 yards 10TDS 12.6 yards/catch Moore 4 seasons - 200/348 57.5% 2162 yards 9 TDS 10.8 yards/catch

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/WR Yes there are worse groups than the Bills

Someone or two will be injured by then

Milano played nearly 90% of D snaps in the playoffs and looked just fine. He had 17 tackles. He also played 5 of 6 games to end of the season (he was inactive against NE in the first game and was one of the starters who didn't play in NE game 2. Milano Bernard and Williams are significantly better players and depth over Rapp, Bishop, Hamlin and Forrest. I understand the worry about the depth after Williams, but management has more faith in Andressen and Ulofosahio (and maybe Spector) than the fans do; otherwise they'd have drafted someone.