jw, as much as these types of discussions can become contentious, they are fun to see what other people listen to. I am always amazed at the number of people here that are dream theater fans, personally while I may have heard of them, i don't think i have ever heard them, but there is a group here that are hardcore fans, and it inspires me to go out and see what i am missing. And while i may disagree with some of the labels you put on bands(under rated, over rated) it gives me persepective that I may not have considered. You aren't going to change my mind on bands that I love to listen to that you 'loathe'(ie DMB, Coldplay) I appreciate and completely get your disdain. Music is such an important element in my life as well as others and its fun and healthy to engage in these kinds of discussions, even if they do get somewhat snippy at times, its what being a fan is all about.