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    Rd 7, Pick 230: G Nick Broeker, Mississippi

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    1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    Anderson and Tenuta the last two late round OL did not make the roster. 

    This guy will have an uphill battle to make it too

    Of course he is a long shot, all 7th rounders are.  
     

    Anderson was poached off of the PS by the Giants and he played in a few games last year. 
     

    Tenuta is in the Packers organization, probably a PS guy. 

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    RD 3, Pick 91: LB Dorian Williams, Tulane

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    9 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

    I want to like the pick but the facts are there were better players available that can be immediate game changers not back up LB and special team contributor.
     

    - Clark Phillips III has some of the best instincts at corner in the draft and would’ve played significant snaps immediately.

     

    - Michael Wilson has #1 WR upside and is already a very good route runner and if it weren’t for injury concerns would’ve went way higher (he was selected 2 picks after Williams)

     

    - Dawan Jones immediately challenges Spencer Brown for the RT spot


    - Siaka Ika immediately is a rotational DT on run downs who could develop to take over full time for Jones

     

    Even Zavala, Freeland and Duncan are all O lineman who could immediately challenge for starting spots

     

    Again I want to like the pick but it feels more like a McDermott pick telling Beane hey can I at least get a special teams guy here since we went offense last two rounds. Stay true to your board Beane you did great first two picks 

     

    But I’ll try not be negative and hope he surprises me and actually does play meaningful defensive snaps and is not just a Milano backup and special teams guy 

    Really?  You might be correct but you are calling these players immediate game changers!  Then how did they all fall to the late 3rd.  

     

    They just drafted 2 corners last year and both are contributing.   Corner is something they have had good luck with in later rounds. 
     

    Brown is the RT. The Bills are still very high on him and  sticking with him.   They just drafted OL in the 2nd and added a starter. 
     

    DT is a position of need as is LB .  You can’t fill everything with one pick. There is something about this guy they like.  They picked him before all those immediate game changers that the 31 other GMs left on the board.  .  
     

    Your sentence in bold is not how McDermott and Beane work. I give them a lot more credit.  
     

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    RD 3, Pick 91: LB Dorian Williams, Tulane

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    50 minutes ago, Virgil said:

    Beane said they were going to play him outside.   If that’s true,  this pick makes zero sense to me.  
     

    If he’s not meant to be our starter at MLB, with all the other players available, this sucks 


    You do know we play 2LBs on most downs?  Is there really an inside or outside anymore?  
     

    He backs up Milano and then Bernard moves “inside” to challenge Dodson.  


    This guy is a hustler, a team captain, and a fantastic tackler.  
     

    Who were all these other players?  

     

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    The Allen-Diggs Relationship in Decline?

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    2 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

     

    When Cincy went up 14-0, the game was essentially over.  Knox even said that let all the wind out of their sails.  Diggs was the only guy I saw trying to fire other players up.  Blame it on all the stressors that built up over the season or whatever excuse they want. The bottom line is we all saw this team play their worst ball of the season, in a win or go home game, and the only guy that really seemed pissed about that was Diggs.  

     

    Give me ten more of that guy, please.

    Give me 10 more players that do something about it.   
     

    Being pissed is a normal reaction.  Yelling on the sideline at your QB  and storming out afterwards is not leadership.  It didn’t help anyone.  

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    Conner McGovern to Bills

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    2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

    Dawkins-Bates-Morse-McGovrn-Brown

     

    If Brown takes a step with his first healthy offseason, Bills could be much improved from a pass blocking perspective. 

    It’s the run game that needs the most improvement though.  

    Here come the restructures

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    On 3/10/2023 at 5:11 PM, Inigo Montoya said:

    Beane never goes into the Draft with a glaring hole in the roster.  He will work free agency like he does every year to fill the holes in the roster and walk into the Draft able to go in any direction.  That's his MO.

    I guess it depends on what you call glaring. 
     

    WR, OG, RT, MLB, SS, and RB all need upgrades to the starters.   CB, OL, TE, WR and DL all need better depth. 

    Who would you rather have....during his prime....Edmunds or London Fletcher?

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    2 hours ago, BearNorth said:

    If you are talking Middle Linebackers, and teams with great records, + wins in the playoffs your options are:

     

    1964-5 - Harry Jacobs

    1981 [3-4] Jim Haslett, Shane Nelson

    1988 [3-4] Shane Conlan, Ray Bentley

    1990-92 [3-4] Shane Conlan, Carlton Bailey

    1993 [3-4] Mark Maddox, Marvcus Patton

    1995 [3-4] Marlo Perry, 'biscuit [age 30 last year with Bills]

    2020-2022 [4-3] Edmunds

     

    Not exactly a position of strength over the years for this franchise

     

    What?  Great data even though you skipped Fletcher, after him the cupboard was bare until Edmonds.  
     

    Jacobs, Haslett, Nelson, Conlan, Fletcher and Edmonds were all very good. 
     

     

    Who would you rather have....during his prime....Edmunds or London Fletcher?

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    22 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said:

    Just wondering.  If everybody played with the passion of London Fletcher, this would be a different game.  

     

    I loved watching him when he was here in St. Louis, and was thrilled he went to our team.  

     

    But there's something about Edmunds.  I hope he stays.  I don't care what he gets paid.  

    Mixing eras is always tricky.
     

    Fletcher in his prime was a more impactful player.  However he could not play LB in the Bills defense today as well as Edmunds.  

     

    Edmunds will be gone.  Beane will spend either cap room or draft capital that should otherwise go to WR/OL to try to replace him. Most likely whoever we get will fall short of replacing him if we play the same defense. 
     

    The Bills have many question marks going into the next seasons. More than they have had in several years. 

    [Vague Title] Let's Not Forget...

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    15 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

    We beat Kansas City in the regular season in Arrowhead the last 2 times we faced them...A few lucky bounces and that could have been us. If 13 seconds didn't happen Bills win Superbowl last year. The "what ifs" could go on and on and on but we're not far away as many on here think. The NFL is a game of bounces and getting a little lucky on any given Sunday. The Chiefs got lucky with that INT TD, that terrible penalty, and several others plays throughout the game.

    No.  We would not have won a superbowl last year if not for 13 seconds, we would have played a home AFC championship game against a team that kicked our ass this year.  
     

    We are third best in the AFC right now and Miami is right on our heels in the division.  We are closer to 5th best in the AFC than to first.   
     

    We have a coaching staff that has not been able to take this team any farther.  We are weak in the trenches.   

    Rihanna-A boring halftime performance

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    I didn’t care for her performance.  Not my cup of tea but I prefer they show modern pop stars over the past years when they hired older Classic Rock stars of the past that can’t play/sing like I remembered them.  
     

    The halftime show is overblown and it interrupts the flow of the game.   

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    ROCKPILE REVIEW - Bengals and 2022 Wrap-Up

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    On 2/1/2023 at 12:34 PM, Shaw66 said:

     

    As the Bills lost to the Bengals in the AFC Divisional Round, I wasn’t ready to step off the ledge.  I hoped they’d win, but I expected they wouldn’t.  I hoped a truly competitive playoff team would emerge in January, but I hadn’t seen much evidence of that kind of dominance in December.  It wasn’t their year.

     

    I guess I’ve mellowed.  Worst case, I’m losing interest, but I don’t think that’s the case.  I had tickets and a hotel in Atlanta, and I had a hotel and a rental car in Arizona.  I was interested.

     

    For now, however, I think less than I used to about what went wrong and what needs to be fixed than in past years.  I have developed a healthy respect for all of the things I don’t know about football, and I no longer can pretend that I see that one thing the Bills need to fix to get over the top.  If it were easy enough for a guy sitting in his family room to figure that out, someone in Orchard Park would have done it already. 

     

    What it takes to win a Super Bowl is a complex, almost unknowable combination of factors, many of which are completely or largely outside the control the General Manager and the coaches.  The extreme example was the COVID pandemic season, when the rules that governed practice, travel, and schedule all changed and kept changing throughout the season.  Teams had to figure out on the fly how to accomplish the training and preparation necessary to play the game at a high level under circumstances they’d never seen before.  Even short of that extreme, the variables are constantly changing, and each team is challenged to respond.  Coaches keep experimenting with approaches to offense, trying to find ways to move the ball consistently and score, and as they do, defensive coaches adjust their approach to defense.  What works changes from year to year, even from month to month.  Players come and go, with a quarter to a third of the players on the roster changing annually, and as the players change, the things the team can do effectively on the field change.  The process, from April through February, is like 75 people trying to complete a giant jigsaw puzzle while the picture being built is changing before their eyes. 

     

    In that kind of environment, just getting to the point where your team is one of the half dozen that have gotten good enough to compete in the playoffs is a major accomplishment.  The winner will be the team that can keep growing and building a team that can play at increasing levels of physicality. 

     

    The winners also invariably talk about how the team is a family, how much they care for each other.  Some people think it’s a cliché, but it’s said so regularly that I’m sure it’s true.  The winners must come together, not just physically and technically, but emotionally, as well. 

     

    It is amazingly difficult and unpredictable, and every year the winning players and coaches are justifiably proud of what they’ve accomplished.  And there’s no shame in falling short.

     

    The Bills fell short.  I think the emotional roller coaster of the Bills’ 2022 season was too much to overcome.  That is, it simply couldn’t be expected that they could accomplish all of the technical things – the training, the study, the learning, the teamwork, the offense and defense growth and development, the insertion of inexperienced players, like Hamlin, Jaquon Johnson, and others into the lineup – all of that and more, while struggling with the extraordinary events of the 2022 season.  The Bills were central to or lived through three national news stories:  the Topps murders, the blizzard, and Damar Hamlin.  Those events were, at the least, big distractions, and more likely difficult and draining once-in-a-lifetime emotional challenges.  And they lived through Kim Pegula’s health issues and the death of Dawson Knox’s brother. 

     

    On field, what went wrong?  Plenty, I’m sure.  Josh Allen didn’t have an MVP season.  Teams figured out how to slow down the Bills’ offense and how to attack their defense, and the coaches didn’t implement strategies and tactics to counter what opponents were doing.  Losing Micah Hyde for almost the entire season was a major blow; he more than anyone else is key to the Bills’ defensive scheme.  Losing Von Miller for the late-season and playoff run hurt the pass rush, as did the failure of Greg Rousseau, Ed Oliver, and others to develop as defensive threats on their own.  The offensive line was not nearly effective enough. 

     

    If I had to point to one factor in the Bills’ playoff loss to the Bengals, I’d say “pass rush.”  The real difference in the game was that Joe Burrows regularly had time to throw, and Josh Allen didn’t.  One play stands out for me: I believe it was Allen’s incomplete pass deep to Diggs up the left side on third and four, the Bills’ first possession of the game.   Allen was flushed out of the pocket to the right, found Diggs, and threw.  Diggs was open, but Allen threw the flat deep ball that we saw a lot from him in his early years.  He had plenty of room to throw to open space toward the middle of the field, and Diggs could easily have adjusted to get there.  The right throw would have been completed for a big gain or possibly a touchdown.  Allen didn’t have time, and when QBs don’t have time they rush their throws. 

     

    Under Sean McDermott, the Bills are enjoying great success.  There is no reason to complain about him or his abilities, not yet.  Ten, thirteen, eleven, and thirteen wins in the past four seasons, four and five in the playoffs.  Andy Reid won his first conference championship game in his sixth year and didn’t win another one until more than ten years later.  Zac Taylor has already lost a Super Bowl and a Conference Championship game.  Sean McVay is looking more lucky than good.  Kyle Shanahan doesn’t have a Lombardi.  

     

    The sports news media, particularly one Associated Press article after the Bengals game, made a big deal about the Bills going “all in” to win the Super Bowl this season.  That’s simply wrong.  Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott have always been very clear that their objective is sustained, long-term success.  The Rams went went “all in” last season, trading for Von Miller in his free agent season, signing Odell Beckham, and it paid off for them.  Then they collapsed.  The Bills signed Miller to a six-year deal, with the likelihood that he’ll play at least three.  The Bills made no short-term plays to win it all this season. 

     

    The Bills have become a dominant team in the NFL, a team that should be in the mix to win the Super Bowl for years to come.  It didn’t happen in the 2022 season, and that’s disappointing, but it’s easy to see that things simply didn’t fall together the right way this season.  Now, they’re in the process of building for next season.

    The sentences in bold that start your post say it all for me.  It is as if you asked me, and wrote what I am feeling.  

     

    No surprise a couple of vets from the mid 60's would think the same on some things.  

     

     

    Im convinced its coaching (Chiefs showing how to handle Bengals)

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    18 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

    I was thinking that same thing watching the game. KC's DBs were playing up on the line on a lot of plays. They were getting pressure on Burrow most of the game and some of those pressures/sacks were on blitzes. With tight coverage, you can blitz Burrow.

    The Bills DBs played way too far off of the line.  Burrow can hit an open receiver on the run in 2.6 seconds on average.  Why did we play them so loosely?   Are the Bills that worried about the deep passes?   

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