Bob in STL
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I guess this is the end of Vincent's career as a Bill. So let's look at his accomplishments during his tenure...
1. Broke JP's leg
2. Locker room lawyer
3. NFLPA bigshot
That's all I can come up with.
Troy we hardly knew ye. Thanks for the coaching offer, but that's what we have COACHES for.
Pretty harsh assessment.
He strikes me as a class act, someone who took the time to help the rookies.
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I can see it now, people will complain because he's boring.
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And despite the late game collaspe, this line played really well against one of the best front 7s in the league. They were constantly moving the ball down the field. They were awesome if you consider this was their first game together. I honestly believe this line (with a little more depth and maybe an upgrade at one of the guards spots) can be a really good one if they can stay together for several years.
A lot of people call Sunday's game a late game collapse by the OL. Late game? They were completely dominated from 9:25 of the 3rd quarter to the end of the game. That is 24 minutes and 25 seconds or 41% of the game. In that time they failed to open a hole on 4th and 1, scored 0 points, had 0 first downs, gave up 2 points on offense, and gave up 2 very key sacks.
I am hopeful that the OL problems for that last 41% were more related to schemes than sheer talent, strength, and will. If not it will be another long season.
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The story of their game has to be: 1) no push on the 4th and 1; 2) a sack for a safety; and 3) a sack on our last possesion. They were horrible in the 2nd half which to me offset a very good first half.
Improved over last season? Maybe, but last season is a poor measuring stick.
I think they can develop as the season progresses but if I were Marv my prioirity for the off season would be to upgrade the talent at LT, RG and LG.
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If his "ankle" is so bad that it caused him to drop from a 4.2 to a 2.9 YPA average, why not sit him. I have several problems with the "U"-boy.
1) He doesn't have good situational awareness in the game. He never seems to find the big hole and attack it.
2) He doesn't seem to CARE whether he wins or loses. Not the type of guy I want for a feature back.
3) A-train seemed to run with a lot more power and authority than did Willis.
I think that a few games on the bench might be just what the doctor ordered for "the best RB in the NFL."
I think it might be time to stop drafting UM players.
Joe, I am not a fan of McGahee's attitide but unless Willis is really hurt bad I think you stick with him. I think he can make more big plays and is a back that usually gets better as the game goes on. From my vantage point the Bills OL got mauled in the second half ... starting from the failed 4th and 1 and continuing for the rest of the game. They just did not run block or pass block very well. It is imperative that McNally and Fairchild look at the film and find out what NE did in the second half. Hopefully is was not just getting beat man-on-man and is something we can correct with blocking schemes.
As for A-Train, he looked good and I would like to see him get more carries. Maybe he is the short yardage back we have been looking for?
Final note, the defensive player that blew up the 4th is 1 was Vince Wolfork. He penetrated deep and slowed the play up behind the line of scrimmage. I think he is from "the U" so I would not totally knock the UM players.
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Yeah right. Keep drinking the Cool Aid.
They were worried about protecting a 10 point lead so the gambled a way a potential 13 point lead for a lower potential 17 point lead. Then they did not execute the 4th and 1. As most of you know, I was against the call, but so be it .. the coach showed some balls and set some expectations for his team.
After the failed 4th and 1 we were out gained by 205 yards to 5, outscored by 12-0, and we never even got another first down.
Lets look at how many points the Losman led Bills actually scored in the 2nd half last season. Then consider that we had the worst red zone offense and the 31st ranked offense in the league. 1st and goal from the 6 would have been great but still no garauntee that we score.
It amazes me that people think that we would have won had we scored that "potential" touchdown.
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It was a gutsy call by Jauron but the situation called for a field goal at the time. Bills up by 10 you have to get something out of that drive.
If they were in Buffalo I'd agree with the call but not at NE with a 10 pt lead. First I think they got a BJ on the spot ie I think Willis got the first down. But then again getting BJs at Foxborough is par for the course. Second though, was that if they didn't get it (which by BJ they didn't), the momentum changes, the crowd gets back into it, Pasties get the momentum and evidently that sucks.
In all though I liked the way the Bills played. I didn't expect them to win though they should have. I liked JPs patience in the pocket and was surprised by how much time he had most of the game. I liked watching Marcia pick himself off the groud so often.
Still I think it was the wrong call, get the 3 and make them score 2 tds to win.
my 2 cents
I agree. From a tactics point of view, I think it was the wrong call for the situation.
The one thing I do like about the call is that Jauron has now made a statement to his players ... they are expected to pick up 3 feet. He made thge call without hesitation and did not waver. The Bills simply need to get tougher and make that play in the future.
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Fair enough on 4th and 1.
So Teddy is a pilot in too!!
No Bob---that's the thing. He's not a pilot, he has no training. The real pilot had fallen out of the plane just before the flyover. Tedy was parking cars for the elderly in the handicapped section when he and he alone saw this. He ran to the top of the stadium and jumped mightily--as only a Bruschi could---and wrestled his way into the cockpit. Once he got in there, he just knew what to do, like, uh, like Flutie just knew how to win, you know? That's why it's so strange....
Well flying should be easy for him because he designed the entire guidance and control system for this aircraft one summer while at camp.
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I'll agree with the non factor in run game but Brady only completed 11 passes and at no point got into a passing rhythm; I can see if Brady was picking us apart with efficecny. I mean he throw a pick in the 4th quarter by Whitner that if it wasn't for questionable block and play stoppage, he'd be on ESPN right now and all those guys would be saying what a genius pick by Marv. If our run D was more discipline and stayed in their lanes and our offense didn't become conservative, there is no way we lose this game. I mean for their first action they played very well; you can't expect them to be Pro Bowlers right out the gate.
Good points. These rookies held up fine and when the defense starts playing more team defense they will be very solid.
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I just got back from the game at Gillette and was really interested on what the fan's response to the game would be.
It's tough to get perspective on all the plays from the stands, and our replay angle was pretty bad. There were a number of things to complain about, if copmplaining is your forte (and mine often is).
I left the game pleased with what I saw, understanding this is a rebuilding process. JP handled most of the pressure situations early, although he was on the run in the second half (obviously). The defense was Bradyized at times, but from my angle the two toughdown passes were well covered and Brady threw the ball well. There was a coverage mismatch on the Faulk TD, it seems, but that was at the other end of the field and hard to get the full picture.
The Spikes sack was worth the trip alone. The Pats fans were dumbfounded.
My observation was the Bills stuck together and were trying to figure out how to win this game. I was tentative about the going for it on 4th and 1, but in the end I liked the call. Last year, I watched them pussyfoot around the Pats all game. They went into the Pats house, went for the knockout blow and missed. No shame in that.;
The Pats fans were pretty stumped most of the game, and while it would have been great to leave with a win, it was nice to tell more than a few Pats fans on the way out that "Your team is beatable, we'll see you in Buffalo...".
FYI, and keep it between us chickens, I swear I saw Tedy Bruschi french kiss (in a supernatural way, not man-on-man love way) that Warren fellow before the sack/safety. He also was piloting the stealth bomber that flew overhead during the pregame.
Let's build on this. There's work to do...
So Teddy is a pilot in too!!
I give up on the 4th and 1 call. It is not the reason we lost but it sure was a turning point. Time to move on to the next game.
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Taking the 3 points is the stupidest post? It was the only other real option?
I think you just surpassed me with your insult. Thank you.
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Sure it is. It's juvenile because it's what a 12 year-old might say. It's ill-informed because every single play would have been different had we lined up for that FG instead of going for it. And it's unrealistic because we don't know if we would have had 17 points, 20 points or more had we kicked it and gone up by 13, and we surely don't think that the Pats would have gotten that safety unless the Bills were stuck back at the 8 yard line, which likely wouldn't have happened had everything else been different. And it is "juvenile, ill-informed and unrealistic in historic proportions" because the retard rodeo is in full swing and I still would have bet anyone anything that no one would be dumb enough to just add three points to the final and say we would have won 20-19.
The point I tried to make by adding the 3 points to get 20 was to show that this "go for the juggler and get 7" approach is total nonsense. It was a gamble we did not need to make given the situation.
It turns out they only scored 19 on us, yes they might have had more if they needed it. I get your point and it is not fair or balanced.
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this is a crock of shiiit. going for it for 4th down is going for the jugular. thats putting the dagger into the heart of the patriots. down by 17? thats hard to come back from. Thats what jauron was trying to do. We had momentum, we had everything going our way. we wanted to finish them off.
Your point is exactly why I hate this call. What juggler? What dagger? Why follow these cliches? Why is 17 any more of a dagger than 13? There was a lot of football left to play. We don't know if we win even if we got those 3 points any more than if you got 7.
This call was a momentum killer.
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Ummm...
Momentum was clearly on our side at that point. There was no doubt in my mind (or, it seemed, in the doubt of all the other Bill's fans at Busby's) that you go for it.
Hell, you're not even Monday morning quarterbacking...you're Sunday evening quarterbacking.
Besides, a lot of the chicken little's on this board talk about how conservative Jauran is, and now you complain when we don't convert? Give me a break.
Well, I never said anything about Jauron being conservative did I? I think he is doing a good job.
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It is oversimplifed ok, maybe even foolish. But it is not juvenile, ill-informed and unrealistic in historic proportions.
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I agree. I don't know that and lots of plays would have been different. Just like no one else knows that getting 7 instead of the easy 3 is really "going for the juggler". That is my real point. Once we blew the 4th and 1 we lost all momentum. We did not get another first down.
Three points adds to the lead and keeps the momentum on our side.
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We need to get that yard someday. What is Rob Riddick doing these days?
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Completely different situation. Belichek did not give up points.
I never said this was poor coaching either. I think this was one of the best coached Bills games since about 1995. I just think the call was wrong. There were easy points to put on the board and we squandered them.
Vincent going to be on WGR in a couple minutes
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You never know. Bellichek may need a guy like Merz for the rematch in Buffalo.