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10. Haloti Ngata Jr. DT Oregon
Clogs the middle and penetrates backfield well.
Some TSW folk seem to rag on him because as best as I can tell they really want us to pick some player they love at a different position. There is even the though wwidely spread on TSW that a big body like Ngota does not fit at all our Dick Jauron deecided cover 2 scheme. Yeah right?
Jauron has relied on such fleet supple DL platyers as Big Ted Washington in Chicago and also Keith Traylor. DC Fewell comes from Jax which used some mobile DTs like Stroud and Henderson to man his scheme who seem to be mobile big men the same as the massive Ngota also has a rep as a penetrator even though he is huge.
The Bills cleaerly have a commitment to a scheme in that we are going to run cover 2 rather than a zone blitz, BUT WE HAVE NOT RUN THE BILLS VERSION YET, an nobody but nobody know whether Haloti fits the way that Jauron and Fewell are going to run our system.
All we know is that:
A. We have a need for another starting DT next to Triplett.
B. Traditionally to run cover 2 pressure on the QB is key so whoever we get needs to be a penetrator at times.
C, Marv has often said the game starts with running and stopping the run.
Who knows for sure, but if Ngota ia there at #8 a lot of factors point to the Bills taking him.
I think this is our pick at 8. Justice ot Bunkley are rising based on their workouts and potential ... Ngata was the best DT in college when evaluated on the football field.
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...to get into a game he thinks has been rigged against him?
His strong feelings of discontent toward his fellow owners reflect his sense of their betrayal.
Those remarks after the last CBA was reached, were those of a confused man. Not a man confused by the documents placed before him and what their contents meant to his franchise. No, those were the remarks of a man confused by how his opinions and leadership among his peers were no longer considered vital. His ambition to be recognised as one of the fathers of the NFL has been replaced by scorn, ridicule, and a diminished role in directing the league's future.
This same harsh opinion of Ralph's value to the league is reflected in his inability to secure the HOF in recent years. His opportunities to stand in Canton, basking in the recognition of a grateful NFL grow less and less. This has to be another painful disappointment to a man who considers himself one of the league's founders and an architect of it's success. Such a man deserves more than post-humous honors and respectful eulogies. Yet, he may have to accept such a fate.
How does this affect the Bills?
In response to being cast aside, Ralph may have put his franchise on auto-pilot for his remaining years as it's owner.
HOF coach and Bills' icon Marv Levy may be less the GM of an NFL team as he is the care-taker of an important part of Ralph's estate. Ralph's too old and too smart to squander any more of his children's money chasing SB trophies. Donahoe failed him in what could have been his last, hard run at it. Now, what's left? Could a championship rescue his legacy? Perhaps, but it's too late for that now, especially under the perceived circumstances.
So, if Ralph's current perception is that the cards have been stacked against him, it follows that his best move is to fold.
If Ralph has come to grips with that, then the fans must also.
You make some great points. I agree that Ralph must feel a sense of alienation. No HOF vote and now this. Many of his colleagues have passed. He must look around the room and wonder about the new breed. Synder and Jones will ruin this league while making a fortune and Ralph knows it.
How hard would it have been for the owners to review that CBA material one more time to clearly understand the impacts and gain a consensus? We may have the same conclusion but at least Ralph would have been given the courtesy he deserves. I wonder why Lamar Hunt has not said anaything either way about this?
I think Ralph feels that the cards are stacked against him but I am not sure he is going to fold either. More like reshuffle and play a new hand. That is where Marv comes in. Not to gaurd the estate but to advance it. The Bill have been cautious in free agency but I would not take that as a sign that they are not trying to improve the team. Marv will have a plan and he will execute it. He really is Ralph last chance at a title.
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Good point, but the 3 or 4 down lineman all have to be very good. Warren Sapp made this defense work in Tampa. Not that he did it alone but he was the dominant piece of the puzzle. An anchor on the DL, even if he playes 70% of the snaps is critical.
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I don't think anyone, including ML or DJ denies that we had two major holes to fill at DT. Triplett is a good player who fits the scheme. I don't believe they think that Tripplett alone is the answer. That is why the Bills made a run at Ryan Pickett.
The Bills will likely draft a DT (Ngata or Bunkley) in the first round. If not, they will be players in round 2 and 3.
DT will not be position of high confidence going into the season.
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I've got a hunch Marv will trade out of the 1st round.
It's just a hunch, but it fits into our lack of involvement with FA and Ralph's disapointment with the league's revenue sharing and CBA.
It will anger many fans, but I don't think our owner is comfortable signing anymore big contracts and large bonuses. Marv's been entrusted with keeping the team competitive with the best bargain players available. Multiple picks in the 2nd to 4th round make more sense.
I don't like it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
I am thinking we might drop down a few spots to take Justice or Bunkley and to acquire another first day pick.
I sure hope we don't drop out of the first round altogether but anything is possible. I think the Bills have been active but careful in free agency. I still thinks he wants to win it all.
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Yeah, because Pat Williams was so good without Adams.
The Bills signed Adams because teams were running WILD on Pat Williams and Ron Edwards(and London Fletcher). Remember Ricky Williams putting up 400+ on the Bills in two games in 2002? Did Pat Williams suck? Funny how Williams seems to play better when he has had Ted Washington, Adams or Kevin Williams lined up next to him.
It astounds me the level of ignorance people here have with even THEIR OWN TEAM. Remember the blown lead at NE? Coincidentally, Adams was benched for the second half. Remember the blown lead at Miami? Adams benched again after taking a play off with an injury.
You'd think now that the Meathead fiasco is over, people might consider that Mularkey might have been cutting off his nose to spite his face, and his way of jerking Adams chain was playing time, because Adams had a ton of playing time incentives. The rest of the league did, and that's why Adams was voted as a Pro Bowl alternate.
Who wants to bet the Bengals defense gets A LOT better next season?
Give me a break.
Adams should have given his Pro Bowl slot to Pat Williams. Pat tied up blockers so that Sam could free lance and make tackles. When Pat left Sam could not, or would not play that game, and that is what pissed off Mularkey and Co. Look what Pat did to help Minnesota. TD screwed up when he let Pat go and kept the selfish Sam Adams. Yes ... he will help Cinc, for awhile.
Adams has talent but is not a team player.
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he is the one gap type of defensive tackle that fits this defensive scheme the best?
many sources say the bills do not like Haloti Nagata because he is a two type hold the line guy while this defense needs one gap penetrators.
the mention Sam Adams as the prototype one gap penetrator and we just let him go
so either this is typical pre-draft babble or the bills just shot themsielves in the foot again.
Adams was a team problem because the Bills would not let him play one gap under meathead.
now they are installing a defense that fits him and they cut him so they can try to find another one.
i did not think he was that big of a cap hit.
I am so tired of all the one gap, two gap stuff. All I know is that on the football field Sam Adams did not pick up the slack with Phat Pat gone.
Sam had problems with Meathead (I assume Mularkey) and others in the staff. I can'l totally blame Sam because many of the veterans had problems with Mularkey. Bottom line is that Sam is not a leader, he is a role player. Sometimes he is a very good role player. I won't miss Sam. It is time to draft our own players and play them.
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I believe we are making a huge mistake letting Moulds go. He is still a great receiver and proved it at the end of last season. The fact that Mularkey and his "brain trust" wouldn't get the ball to him was our downfall. I wish Eric great sucess with the Texans. I think in the end you will all regret his leaving. Just my 2 cents....
... and for the record, Eric chose not to negotiate a new deal with us. His cap hit is outrageous. He wants to leave and publicly stated that he will never play for us again. So why should we keep him again?
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I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but Trey Teauge is no worse than any of the linemen the Bills have signed since free agency began...I know, he is no longer a Bill, so he must be sh--! Have the last five years taught anyone anything? Bottom line, Teauge was playing a position that was not his strength (remember, he came to Buffalo as an "up and coming" left tackle from Denver. He was promptly moved to the center position, and was not happy about it. He knew playing center was not his strength. Like a lot of players in the last five years, he was misused...I would be thrilled if the Bills signed a linemen with Teauges' experience for pocket change...it is easy to oversimplify everything, but Teauge played pretty well, at times. True, he needs help from his guards, but that is yet another weakness. I hardly think Trey Teauge has been the weak link of the Bills offensive line....
No --- Teague came to Buffalo as a flop at left tackle for Denver. He was a promising backup and when the time came for him to start he failed to met the high standards of a Denver OL, so they let he go in free agency after one season as a starter.
TD, being the almighty football guru, talked his first Stooge (Gregggggg) into moving Teague to center. TD, being the almight football guru, cut Dusty Ziegler (who went on to start in the Super Bowl for the NY Giants) and tried to replace him with Bill Conatry first, and then Teague.
Teague was servicable at best, but never a strong center. I never remember him being an "up and comer". Ditto for Bennie Anderson or Mike Gandy. They were all guys that started briefly and then failed.
Th only OL we have sign thus far is Fowler and we don't know if he is better than Teague or not.
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I believe that Ngata might not be right for our schemes here in Buffalo. He will probably be a good DT in this league, but I don't think he will be good for Buffalo. The type of D they are going to play rely's on speed and a certain type of player to be successful. Ngata has been compared to Adams (from what I've heard a few times) which is the kind of players most think we need because of previous defensive schemes we have had in the past, but not the one they will use next year.
And I really doubt we pick Bunkley at 8, if the bills want him I assume they trade down for him cause it would be a waste of the #8 pick getting him that early.
I still think if there, they take VD or Huff, unless they can trade down.
There is an inconsistency in evaluating Adams and what he did as a Bill. When Adams was a pro bowler he had Pat Williams as the two gap guy, tying up blockers so that Adams could go to the ball. Last year Adams could not, or would not, play the role of the 2 gap DT. He did not tie up blockers and was considered by the coaches to be ineffective against the run.
In this new defense they say they want speed and people to go to the ball. Ngata has that. Adams had that. I don't get the agruement that Ngata does not fit? Scouts they say Ngata has speed, strength and size. That he can play 1 gap or 2.
Bunkley - some say he does not represent ehough value at 8th. If he project as the best DT for our scheme, and is a better prospect than any of the OTs, then why not take him. Trading down is fine but it is always a gamble that you will lose your man.
Huff- if he is there at 8 maybe we take him? Problem is I doubt we will find starters for both DT and OT in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Recent draft history has not been kind to us on either of the lines.
So it comes down to a trade-off of needs, value, and how hard it is to fill the many holes we have.
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My prioity would be:
round 1 - DT. Draft either Ngata or Bunkley. If we can slide down a few spots and still get Bunkley that would be great. The story about Ngata not fitting the scheme is crap. He could be an impact player.
round 2 - Grab the best OT and hope that he can beat out Gandy this year. Then have Gandy compete with Fat Bennie for LG.
at center have Preston compete with Fowler
round 3 - draft a guard to push Villareal and draft a SS to push Wire/Bowen.
Right OT - stick with Peters.
stir it up and pray that a few of these rookies can play.
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Mould's value is a 2nd rounder? That is debatable, especially when the Bills-Texans are talking 4th or 5th. T. Henry got us a 3rd rounder and he a lot younger than Moulds.
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I can;t understand this.
Teague was playing Center but is really a Tackle. The Bills get Fowler for center and SHOULD be able to move Teague over and solve a problem...or minimally, increase their depth.
maybe it's the character thing. But he always seemed like a character kinda guy.
Disagree. Trey is a marginal player, he has not stepped up as a leader, and be has no upside. It is time to move on. This is a strong draft for OT. Draft a OT in round 1 or 2 and plug him in. We are going to take lumps this year so we might as well do it with rookies.
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Moulds leaving is enivitable now. We still have some cap room and we will have even more after EM moves on. So the question remains? What to do with the cap room? Will Ralphie spend to the limit or will we start the seaosn significantly under the cap?
By the way ... I think we have done OK in free agency so far. Not great, but OK. It was a lean year overall. Signing Pickett would have made us look like real players but I will remind everyone that after watching him play for the past 4 years ... he does not "bring it" on every play. I am happy we did not overpay for him but having sure would be a big help.
We still need more talent on the OL and DL. Maybe we will bring in a few vets to plug a hole or two but I still think that stockpiling draft picks and playing the kids is the best rebuilding approach. I sure hope Marv and Co draft several lineman in the first 3-4 rounds.
We are unsettled at QB. If Losman emerges it will do wonders for bringing this team along. This will be the year we really learn about him, if he can't beat out Holcomb or Nall that tells us something. I think we are going to take our lumps this season but hopefully, by January, the trend is upward.
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Really? The Moulds haters had nothing to with the trade. It was a business decision and it was ALL about money. After last season I think we all saw that Eric is about Eric. He signe with the last place team ... for more MONEY.
Remember this:
1 - He did not do squat to help or mentor JP ... for whatever reason we do not and will not know.
2 - He quit on the team, just look at the film. He quit in the Miami game when JP was having his best day as a pro. He quit because he is selfish.
Wilson and Marv have been very good to Eric Moulds. He acted like a spoiled child in return.
He was a great player, I won't argue that. We will miss his skills but in the leadership department this could be addition by subtraction.
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There are unconfirmed rumors that the Bills are going to build a new, modern stadium in downtown Buffalo. This will occur at the same time they develop the waterfront with 100 new stores, night clubs, and restaurants. Then they will put in the worlds largest aquarium, tie it into the marina, bring back cable cars to take you anywhere downtown for 1$. At the same time they will construct a new Signature Peace Bridge complete with a park. Finally they reclaim some of the lakefront and add public beaches, shops, condos, etc.
After that Microsoft, Boeing, and Texas Instruments (renamed Buffalo Instruments) will move their operation in and everyone will have a great job.
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It's been years since I posted seriously, but I've been around since AOL charged by the minute. Don't look at my number of posts, look at my member number. Me posting here is like catching a coelacanth off the West African coast, but here I am.
Never before have I seen such a bunch of whiny and negative biatches. Levy is only on a few short months as GM and he is roundly crucified! Why? Not enough experience? His ZERO win record as a GM? Please. There's a season the games are actually played, and until I see a team on the field, I simply can't pass judgement. Too many times in the NFL, there have been teams that looked like crap at the outset and wound up smelling like roses at the season's end.
Losman on the trading block? Seriously people-his contract is still small and workable and his full potential has not been fully tested. Is he good? Bad? Hell, I dunno, but then again, neither does anyone else until there's an O-Line in front of him and a coaching staff with a backbone giving him a shot. Mularkey proved to be spineless and gave in to pressure from the owner and from veterans. This was his biggest failure. No leadership ended resulting in a crap season. Is Jauron better? Worse? Let's play some games and find out.
I may be an old an cranky dinosaur from the years of TBD past, but count me in as an optimist first and a realist 2nd.
JP Losman will start.
Moulds will be traded rather than cut.
McGahee will make up for his disappointing 05 season.
That is all.
Eric C
ChicagoRic
Thank you Sir, may I have another?
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There is always the behind the scenes stuff. Mould's issues with JP are not hidden but they seem to be driven by a EMs insecurity.
I don't buy th eeverybody hates him theory. Marv is going to fill this team with younger players. JP will have more peers. Some of the veteran issues will be gone.
The biggest problem with the Bills is lack of leadership and character on game day. TD talked about being mentaly tough. The veterans, especially on offense, lack this trait.
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Disagree, I will take Evans all day long. He is more of a playmaker and has yet to peak. Yes, Evans benefits from playing with EM but as the season progressed Evans was seeing the double teams, not Moulds.
Add to this Moulds age, his contract, and his attitude.
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Let's review a few things that happened last year...
1. In the Saints game, with the score still close in the first half, JP threw the ball deep, while Eric cut his route off. The ball was easily intercepted and the Saints went on to beat the Bills handily. After the game, JP took the company line that he and Moulds simply were not on the same page for that play, while Moulds made it a point to emphasize that HE ran the right route and the INT was all JP's fault. I have no doubt that Moulds did, in fact, run the right route, but it was not necessary for him to emphasize that JP was in error.
2. When MM was trying to keep the switch to Holcomb in Week 5 on the low-down, Moulds could hardly contain himself -- and spilled the beans to the press. Reports circulated that Moulds had gone to MM and pled that they make the shift.
3. In the Miami game with JP finally having what looked to be his breakout game, Moulds sulks because it is Lee Evans that scores 3 TDs. We all know what happened next.
4. The very next game after Moulds' suspension, Holcomb is reinstated as starter, and he keeps the job for the remainder of the season, despite only having one decent performance (against Cinci). But at least Eric is happy.
Now, to me it is clear that EM does not like JP. Maybe he didn't want to have to endure playing with a "rookie" QB at this late state in his career. Maybe the two simply had a personality conflict. Or -- most likely -- maybe just maybe JP felt more comfortable tossing the ball to Lee Evans (and to a lesser degree Josh Reed) than he did to Moulds, which threatened EM. (Maybe EM should remember that he was once the young player who rose to prominance as the aging and sulking Andre Reed became less involved in the offense.) Regardless, it has become abundantly clear that the two cannot co-exist.
Maybe, if the Bills rid themselves of this team "leader", maybe the young QB will manage to find his groove without being B word-slapped.
I agree with you . My only doubts stem from the fact that Marv wanted to keep Moulds. If all this bad blood exists between EM and JP, don't you think Marv would want to clear it out? Then again, maybe Marv is playing this to get something for EM, something besides cap space.
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1. When JP was drafted many real football GMs and scouts liked him. Green Bay and the Rams especially liked him. Modark, Guy, and TD all liked him. Martz was really high on him as a prospect. I think they all might know more than most of us, and certainly more than some of these internet writers.
2. JP did not have a complete rookie season. The broken leg cost him reps and face time with the players and coaches.
3. JP worked VERY hard during the off season. He stayed in Buffalo almost year round and studied. Sam Wyche worked with him and invested a full year. Wyche is a QB guru, the stuff that Sammy taught JP may someday pay dividends.
4. JP should not have been handed the job. That was TD's fault. TD wanted to find the next Big Ben. TD's ego hurt the JP.
5. JP played good in most of the first quarters of most of his games, then deteriorated. Proving he could execute scripted plays, but he was not ready and could not process the defensive adjustments. Mularky, did little to help. His play calling was a joke. Trick plays, dumb calls, poor blocking, mental mistakes, a lack of talent on offense ... they all contributed to JPs problems.
6. The OL is woeful. Ask McGahee about it. Bledsoe was not much better than a rookie operating with this crew.
7. The veteran leadership was non-existent on the offense. Moulds was a big part of the problem. I will NEVER respect him for that Miami game. He is selfish.
8. Mularkey panicked and played Holcomb. Then he played musical QBs. Then he quit the Bills. Case closed on Mularkey. He was actually more of a rookie than JP.
9. JP needs another season or two to develop, most QBs need 3-5 years. He should have to win the job before he is judged. Give Fairchild, Van Pelt, and Jauron some time. JP has tools and he can lead.
10. This stuff about other players hating him is crap. I recall many vets talking him up last year during camp. Sucess will be the remedy. He should not play until they players see that he is their best shot. We don't know when that will be.
11. We have no one else. Nall is a longshot.
Loosman Support
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Bravo ... the support he needs should not be publicized in the media. Let him know that he will get a fair shot, tell him what the expectations are, and then see what he can do.