Bob in STL

Dude -- this is about WRs. Early was a good player. Free agent pick up from New Orleans. He does not fit into the group of recievers we are bringing up. Subject = Kamil Loud and Kwame Cavil. Similar to Quinn, Billy Brooks does not fit. James Lofton does not fit. Lou Piccone does not fit. Ahmad Raschad does not fit. Glenn Bass does not fit. get it?

Al Edwards unfortunately played in SB XXV as the third wide out. Don Beebe was hurt. Played 9 seasons, 2 with Bills, 7 with falcons. He had 2 kickoff returns for TDs as a rookie. The Bills never game him a chance and let him go after 2 years. He went to Atlanta and played well. In 1979 he caught 74 passes for 1014 yards and 8 TDs -- huge numbers for the time.

We are playing the "name an obscure WR that the Bills drafted/acquired that never panned out". Mitchel Galloway

Fisher is a good coach. 17 yrs: HOU-TEN games =262, W=142, L=120, PCT= 0.542, Playoff games =11, W=5, L=6, 6 winning seasons, 1 super bowl (loss to Rams) What I like about him is his teams have a tough attitude. Even in down years his teams are tough and competitive.

Lets not forget Damon Thomas.

Hhmm. My impressions of Indy are that it is boring and bland. If Whaley is realy a candidate for the Indy job we are in trouble and maybe that adds creedence to the Buddy Nix retirement rumor.

Whaley has been with the Bills for two years. Nix hired him before the 2010 season. Like Levy, Nix was offered the job because Ralph "knew who he was". Sad, but true. Whaley was a highly regarded front office person working for the Steelers. The Bills were criticized for not talking to Whaley and several others up and comers during their "search" for a GM.

Don't know, ask Chan and Wanny. I would not draft purely for scheme or use size/speed as the major indicators. Look at the films and find some football players. Get guys who can play and do it with passion.

Maybin is listed at 6'4" 240, which he is not. Von miller is listed at 6'3" 245, and he appears much more stout than Maybin. Zack Brown at 6"2" and 230 lbs appears to be Maybin sized. Sounds like another big risk.

Tons of injuries TC. They have playmakers. I would take Fewell over Edwards.

We really need a few players that make a difference (impact players). I am talking Pro-Bowl players that make big plays when needed. Winning teams have them, we do not. Dareus could be one. Jackson/Spiller as well. Sometimes Bryd. My take on our needs by priority 1. OLB - we need two of them and one of them needs to be an impact player that can get to the QB. We need two OLBs no mattter whether we play 3-4 or 4-3. BTW - I think we will play both. We need to use the draft and free agency. Our current OLBs are atrocious. 2. WR - we need speed at Wr. We need a true #1 with speed and reliable hands. Johnson is a very good #2 WR. 3. DE - Once again, someone that can get to the QB. 4. LT - Bell is ok when healthy, but he appears to be a player that cannot stay healthy. Expecting Hairston to carry the load is a dangerous proposition. 5. QB - I would change this to #1 if there is a QB like RG3 or Luck available. Fitz is a stop gap. We can address other positions rather than reach for a QB but we should not pass up one either. 6. TE - would love to see a new-era TE in a Bills uniform. I am talking about a large and fast super athelete, the new breed TE. Chandler is good but having a TE attack like the Pats* would be a great thing come November/ December in the Ralph.

Gailey is a football coach, not a lawyer. At the time he said he did not even know exactly what he did, he just knew he had an excessive celebration penalty, once again. Levy used to talk about having to make split seconds decisions as a football coach. No replays, no announcers, no time for in depth reflection because there is always the next and the next play. Sure he could have re-evaluated at haltfime, but why? He already stated in his presser that he did not want to get into the grey area surrounding the call. I don't blame him. If only everything in life was fair.

Good list. Fitz goes into both categories though.

Come on. That counter argument is a bit extreme. I guess we can't win a game without the great Stevie Johnson then? We should have signed him up long ago if he is irreplaceable. How did this guy not make the Pro Bowl? What was Chan supposed to do? Sit him out for one series or one half? That is a little league punishment. Just as a player has to earn his time on the field he can also earn time on the bench. Chan did the right thing, he stuck to his word, and yes the consequences adversely affected the whole team. At that point is it up to the players to step up. If the right leadership existed among the players they would have talked to Stevie in the locker room and put an end to his antics. Instead, as Stevie said, its all good and he got a lot of love. Pull that crap on the Ravens with Ray Lewis around and see how much love you get. PS - I don't want to see him leave but I think the coach was 100% correct given Johnson's past issues.

Nope. Saban quit. Twice. That is why he is not on the wall. Yeah. 7 straight years of drafting between 28 and 32 will take its toll on a team.

What? Actually our O-line is better than the one he has at Indy. Our running backs are much better than Indy's. Add one solid veteran WR (Colston) to play with Stevie and we are legit. Heck, Chandler would catch 60 passes with Manning here. Assuming Manning can play like the Manning of old.

Archie would not allow it. We would have to be the last team interested.

Good. Urbik did a nice job for us this year at RG and at C.

The move is not a surprise, lots of speculation the past few weeks. It happened fast out of respect for Edwards as it provides him more time to evaluate opportunities for his next gig. He was a young guy with limited NFL experience for a DC. He took a shot and it did not work out. I wish him the best.

You are really in the know. George Edwards just got fired BTW.

You have got to be kidding?

He did not say he was disappointed in the rule, although he was asked if he was. He said which rule are they referring to? --- last year (no flag) and this year (flag). Chan clearly said "I cannot argue the grey area of it" referring to the rule. He told the team if you get a penalty as a result of illegal demonstration then you are out of the game. He had to do it and it was the right thing to do. Johnson stated many times in his interview that he hurt his team. Yet, he also said he is not embarassed by it. I think this speak volumes of his mindset. Johnson is a nice kid, Chan admits to that, but Johnson is childish in his approach to the game and he may never see the big picture. Sad and true.

Kids at 9 like to please their parents and authority figures, they respond positively to fair treatment. At some point most kids will challnge the status quo, which is normal and good. Enjoy! I remember when spiking the ball just became popular so yes, I saw all of that. Don't forget Elmo Wright with KC. He had a bizzare and crazy TD dance. I don't make the rules. Somewhere along the way the celebrations got longer and out of hand. Somewhere along they way it got crazy.

This is a very interesting thread. I actually sense a generation gap here on TSW. I suspect that many of the guys that think Stevie did nothing wrong are younger and many of the ones that are upset with him are older. I am sure there is some blending across the age demographic but probably not too much. I think the guys that are looking closely at the rules and arguing that he should have received a fine but not a penalty are missing the point. Even if you are correct in your interpretation of the rule you are still missing the point. I also doubt I can convince any of you that this is true. As a father three (ages 20, 22, and 24) I know that there is a big gap in how the generations look at things, as there was when I was younger. Stevie has already been under scrutiny with the league for his celebrations. Chan had already put a rule out there that he would bench the next player that received a fine. Stevie's twitter account verifies that he pre-planned this and knew that he would be fined. Unfortunately for him, and his team, the ref saw it another way and made the call. I am proud of Chan for sticking to his guns. I think some of the veterans need to back up Chan and have a talk with Stevie. I doubt this will happen though. I don’t see that kind of leadership on this team. Stevie Johnson will go on to get a big fat contract one way or another. I hope he stays a Bill because he is one of the better players on the team. I do not think he is a great player but he is much better than any receiver we have today. I fear that the Bills will let him walk and we will have another big whole to fill.

7-9, 7-9, 7-9, 4-12, 6-10, ... QB = Fitz, with no backup and no prospect - Third off-seaon for Nix to find us a QB Pro Bowlers = None. Very good players = K. Williams, Dareus, Barnett, Letvitre, and Wood Good players = George Willson, Byrd, Urbik, Pears, Stevie Johnson, Lindell, and Chandler Prospects = Spiller, Aaron Williams, Hairston, Sheppard, Nelson, Searcy, rookie CB (#26), back up lineman Colin what-his-name Past prime = Florence, D. Edwards, Kelsey, Spencer Johnson, A. Davis, Moorman Ok = Bell, Moats, Scott, Garrison, Heard, Not getting there = Carrington, Troup, Choice, Jones, R. Martin, Dotson, Hagen, Rossvelt, all the other TEs, Flush - the rest