[The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker]

1 minute ago, warrior9 said:

You have to be joking, right? 

Zoe had his best years under McDermott, Poyer was a no body on the Browns, Adolphis Washington, Ramon Humber, Preston Brown, EJ Gaines.... Jerry Hughes had his best years under McDermott..

 

a "Very talented defense" is absolutely laughable.

There’s just so much hyperbole at work on these boards haha like you can be critical of McDermott and still admit he has done a good job developing defensive players.  
 

the guy has gotten a ton out of pretty low ceiling talent type guys. Doesn’t mean he’s a genius that’s beyond criticism though by any means 

[The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

There’s no way mcdermott is ahead of anybody who’s won a super bowl.  He’s in the Ron Rivera boat but Rivera probably higher because he’s been to a super bowl.  

I think it’s a little bit more complicated than that lol. If Ron Rivera is such a good, Super Bowl caliber coach he’d be turning that commanders team around.  Some head coaches absolutely get carried to a Super Bowl and it’s been much more likely in the NFC than the AFC lately 

 

[The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You’ve watched a Jets team with Zach Wilson beat the 100% healthy Bills by chipping away all game.

 

You’ve watched the 1-5 Giants come within 1-yard from winning.

 

You saw a 1-5 Patriots team drive the length of the field in 1:20 for the GW drive.

 

You see a 3-3 Bucs team have a Hail Mary land inside the end zone with a chance to walk off on the last play of the game.

 

And the conclusion is that will never happen again?

Not to put words in anyone’s mouth but that did not appear to be the posters point at all.  The ‘comeback’ last night was fueled by objectively flukey plays which is what they were referencing.  The ball is not going to bounce only the opponents way at every possible opportunity seemed to be what the gist was, and despite that happening the closest they came was a very very low percentage desperation play which is how a lot of games end that one team is controlling. 
 

the giants and pats games were absolutely terrible, but last night was clearly a better effort without question. 

[The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Absolutely insane take. Best case scenario he's near the bottom of the top 15. there are 10 coaches I would take over him without hesitation and a good handful more that have a clear edge.
 

When I look at coaches that are definitively worse than McD, it's a very short short list. There are a lot of first year head coaches that will probably end up better too.

Under a microscope though supposedly great/good coaches frequently make terrible decisions also to be fair.  We’re just not putting other teams coaches under the same level of criticism understandably 

 

andy Reid made some absolutely disastrous decisions in that week 1 game 

 

There’s also a lot of terrible coaches in this league and many that are overrated in the same way you are criticizing McDermott so your numbers are way off regardless 

[The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

In his defense,  he has an incredible winning percentage after taking over a bottom 5 10 team. 

His D gave up 10 points through 56 mins before a stupid penalty , ridiculous catch gave them a chance last night

 

it's not easy to win in this league 

I really don’t get this place a lot of the time…like all week we heard from people on here that the bucs are actually pretty good and we’re in trouble.  we win and control the game but things are just as bad as before because a bunch of bounces went their way?  

[The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker]

31 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

So if I'm not blindly defending him but totally disagreeing with your premise that he's undisciplined, not prepared, and not a hard worker, what does that make me? 😂 

In the majority I’d say haha 

[Let's talk about that Hail Mary]

7 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

you’re focusing too much on the negative. In an alternate take:

1. Evans TD last night was luck with a doink off a helmet right into his hands. 
2. the following 2pt conversion was luck with a tipped ball that happens to land right in the hands of the receiver

3. we literally dropped two pick 6’s yesterday

 

 

As opposed to viewing it as “we should’ve lost this game”, an equally convincing argument can be made that we should’ve won this game 3-38. And no we shouldn’t be 0-4 during this stretch. 

1-1 in the giants and pats stretch seems just right…people sayin we should be 0-2 are being a bit hypocritical.  I do think the win should’ve been against the pats and the lost should’ve been the giants though 
 

They want to correct a call in the giants game but the obviously blown ineligible man downfield penalty has to hold up to make us 0-2?

 

also we got hosed on the jets punt return so things even out as time goes on…we’re about 50/50 on getting helped/hurt by late game penalties which is right where you should be 

[Let's talk about that Hail Mary]

1 minute ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

What scared me is no one played the ball, if Godwin turns around, the bills might miss playoffs.

 

I don't understand, im not a professional athlete but i know a hail mary in the endzone you dont have to cover recievers, it's going to be a jump ball, you play the ball and bat it down.

 

I've always wondered why teams don't designate pre snap, ok tallest DB your playing the jump ball and batting it down, shortest db your only job is putting your arm between the recievers hands and breaking it up. Last night it looked like a monkey humping a football, like no order just school yard hail mary.

Godwin was lost that whole play and was at no point a  threat to catch that pass.  This is all getting massively overblown.  Mike evans straight up knocked over 1/3rd of our team with a blatant opi which definitely didn’t help things.. if we got called for dpi on that play and they got away with that I never would’ve watched football again 🤣 

[Let's talk about that Hail Mary]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Evans also committed blatant PI and was the reason why Poyer went flying to the ground and took out 2 other Bills players with him.  Perhaps that is why there was such poor positioning?

That had a lot to do with it and evans undoubtedly was trying to accomplish just that lol I think some of it was the defenders playing the receivers to time their jumps and Godwin was just out of position so no one took him very seriously too.  Looked like he was getting in position to catch a tipped pass to me and didn’t make it in time which is pretty normal for a Hail Mary but I keep getting downvoted for posting that 😂

 

seeing outcry that the bills weren’t called for dpi has had me giggling all day…that’s pretty typical defense by any team on any Hail Mary attempt.  What evans did though very much is not 

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

13 minutes ago, skibum said:

Actually, it's hard to tell it was a win if you read all the whining and hand-wringing in here today. 

I could see it more if those late 8 points from the bucs weren’t pretty much dumb luck lol I do get where the negativity is coming from though but that was a pretty freak occurrence.
 

a tipped ball on your side goes for an int but multiple 4th down penalties and two tipped balls in a row lead to points for the opponent id love to see what the odds on that are 😂 

 

phillips is an idiot but that play def should’ve been blown dead…a penalty by rule for sure but the corniest most inconsequential facemask of all time 

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

11 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I never really felt that the game was in jeopardy but the more it went on,  the more ridiculous it became.   It went from a 10-10 game, to a game we controlled, to are you kidding there's a chance we could lose.

 

That's where the unsettling sentiment is coming from.   It should have been a ho hum, we're beating a team we should,  to we're a problematic team again. 

I totally get that…to me personally the bucs making it a game felt quite fluky and it wasn’t really ‘earned’ if that makes sense?  Like I wouldn’t expect balls to be bouncing straight to our opponent all game/qbs miraculously keeping their knee off the dirt on pretty much guaranteed safeties every week if we are trying to extrapolate yesterdays outcome to future games. Baker did some superhuman sh*t to keep drives alive late and they got every break imaginable and still the closest they came was a Hail Mary that no receiver even really tracked is the flip side of the argument. 

 

also there’s no way we get that conservative with punts against a top offense, McDermott has been aggressive in those situations before so a lot of that decision making was bucs specific which is how it should be 

 

im hoping we don’t see that goal line shotgun run again after the blowback last night too but you never know 😂. I have more confidence that we’re not gonna go out and beat our heads against the wall trying the same things over and over after last night which is the first time I’ve had that rosy feeling in awhile lol

 

if anyone’s saying…look how we played last night were def gonna beat the bengals and chiefs though I’d strongly disagree with that..  I think we’re back in the ‘it’s close to a coin flip’ scenario from ‘it’s a certain loss’ though 

[I’m sick of the defensive timeouts…]

2 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

I hate this thought. Ya they’re 5-3. But do they look like a team on the rise? They were a play away from losing last night. It’s ok to be happy with the win and criticize the bad. The man said, always look to improve 

I mean they did lose to a much worse defense the week before and couldn’t do much of anything right haha is that not improvement?  I can’t speak for the whole ‘there were a lot of positives last night’ side but I think it was a pretty firm step in the right direction and I have genuinely no idea if we’ll hang with the better teams.  After the pats game though I was 100% sure we couldn’t.  I’m honestly kind of glad we blew that goal line playcall in a game that we were very likely going to win anyway because hopefully we will not see it again 😂

[I’m sick of the defensive timeouts…]

4 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

Timeouts are for defense. Gives them a chance to regroup as well and get quick reminders about situational play. Playbooks are limited in these situations offensively so the time is used to remind players about what they’ll get out of the few looks they’ll see.

For real.. I can see the criticism though because there’s no way for a viewer to know what benefit came from taking the timeout.  But we’re def goin overboard with the pitchforks on this one.  I’d kindly request people to turn them on not sneaking on short yardage situations/the goal line lol

29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Why don't you tell us?   What is the % of successful defensive plays following a defensive timeout versus the normal non-timeout called play in that situation.    There are situations where I think you call a timeout on defense but I think McDermott has turned this into a net negative with his over-use.

 

Tyrod Taylor and Baker Mayfield aren't Tom Brady.   I want to keep the pressure on them with this defensive system that has been in place since 2017,  not give them time to get composed and make the smart play to Mike Evans for a TD.

Idk how smart a play that was to be fair…took an absurd amount of luck to avoid an opi there and catch a ball that donked off a well positioned defenders helmet.  That was not a high percentage play by any means 

 

Mike evans pushes off every play it is absolutely unreal…every time you see him no matter who he is playing.  He shoved poyer down on the Hail Mary too lol 

[2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)]

12 hours ago, RiotAct said:

they’re bound to have a down year.  At some point. Maybe.

It definitely goes unheralded because mahomes overshadows all but that defense always comes up with huge plays in the playoffs too.  Tough to beat when you’re at home in the playoffs and you’ve got that game changing potential on both sides 

[TB / Buffalo Postgame thread]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Weird that coaching is ruining Elam. Same coaching staff that has done excellent building Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson and Christian Benford at the same position. But it's just Elam that they ruin. 

Assuming that’s sarcasm I completely agree 😂 it’s tough to tell sometimes around these parts lol 

[TB / Buffalo Postgame thread]

50 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

win didn't inspire any confidence  Honestly I have zero confidence in the Bills being able to overcome McDermott's nonsense  Bucs game coming down to a hail mary seems ridiculous

‘Coming down to a Hail Mary’ is still a ridiculous statement to me haha the jags absolutely dominated us and we had a shot at a hook and ladder play for the win does that mean we almost won? Literally every little bounce/break went the bucs way until the final moments and that’s the closest they came 
 

i have no problem with people being critical of things but there were objectively quite a few positives last night as well 

[TB / Buffalo Postgame thread]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I’m sorry, but I cannot agree.

 

This defense deserves a huge benefit of the doubt when it comes to managing and coaching talent. 
 

Boogie Basham was a solid rotational piece, a bust JAG, but still, not the worst player in the league. He’s nothing in NY. 
 

Guys like EJ Gaines and Levi Wallace have looked serviceable here.

 

Rotational piece vets like Hyde and Poyer have turned into All-Pros.

 

Tre White was like CB5 in his draft and was arguably the best of them pre-injury.

 

Benford and Jackson were late round fliers that look serviceable.

 

Milano and Bernard were day 2/3 picks that have contributed at a high level.

 

If there is one player on this team that I am the most certain probably just completely sucks and it’s no one else’s fault, it’s Kaiir.

If McDermott does anything right, it’s developing non defensive line defensive talent 😂. I’m all for criticizing the deficiencies but gotta give him some credit where it’s due too 

 

Lot of pretty ok/nothing special players have come here and had career turnarounds.  A lot of mid/late round picks without much upside have turned into good players here. 

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Allen looked through his progressions instead of locking on one was Old Allen that we love.  

He moved well inside the pocket, spread it out and his first read was usually the correct one.

 

Good first step to get out of this rut we were in.  I expect another step against the Bengals.

I hope that opening int from the pats game got him to take a good hard look into the looking defenders off aspect…he seemed to do a way better job with that last night.  Felt like he’s been getting lazier with it over time and when he’s got a good route concept against a single defender he was just staring his guy down which led to a few route jumps this year 

[giving the Bucs the short sideline throws on their final possession]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't know why they don't do this. I said the same thing in the Giants game 2 weeks ago. Play the f*cking sideline. Leave the middle of the field completely open and play far back. They only have 21 seconds. They have to score a TD. Let them have the short middle stuff or even the 15 yard middle stuff. Just keep them in bounce

I wonder if they’re worried about a 30 yard strike in the middle of the field and then a spike…this is def fair criticism though 

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

Just now, White Linen said:

 

Even with you saying all that, it's still not defining a comfortable win.

That’s certainly debatable at least and I can understand the other side of it…the way the second half went down I don’t personally see how the bucs could’ve scored two tds without hitting an obscenely unlikely deep Hail Mary attempt so I’d personally call that fairly comfortable but I could see why others would not

 

a desperation last second play is how a lot of games end for a team that is controlling the game 

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

15 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

So your comment upthread, "Godwin was likely not the initial target", really made no sense, as you admit that no specific player is generally targeted on a Hail Mary.

It made perfect sense because the ball is supposed to go to a spot that he is not in lol he’s hanging out trying to catch a tipped ball while other players try to high point it near the front of the end zone.  Looked like the pass rush sped the throw up and the bucs weren’t in position…at first I thought Godwin just lost the football while he was tracking it but that does not look to be the case 

 

I really don’t get the pushback here lol this is literally textbook football 101 stuff.  A completed Hail Mary is oftentimes a deflected pass and if you are launching the ball deep into the end zone you’re taking a lot of that away because you’ve gotta worry about balls getting deflected out of bounds 

 

y’all think they just wing it deep with no plan and pray and Godwin just happened to be facing backwards not looking for the football for no particular reason and we almost lost because a ball fell close to a guy that made 0 attempt to catch it? Lol come on now that’s even sillier than anything you think that you’re laughing at 

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

4 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Oh yeah, clearly, a Hail Mary is drawn up with a specific player/target in mind ....LMAO.

They get thrown to a spot on the field lol not a specific player..  teams want to maximize how many guys have a shot at a ricocheted ball. Players all have predefined spots they’re supposed to be in the end zone to maximize their chance of catching a tip and godwin was late getting to his.  You think they all just run around backyard football style? Lol makes no sense 

 

it’s a schemed up play like everything else…usually your taller players are up by the goal line jumping to high point the ball but they had mike evans deep in the end zone shoving people for whatever reason 

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

4 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

You think that Hail Marys are drawn up with a specific target in mind?

The Bills have been called for DPI on a Hail Mary before.

You don’t? 😂. They get thrown to a spot and baker missed it.  You think Godwin was just spinning around in the end zone for fun if he was supposed to be a primary target? Lol y’all are too much 

 

usually the ball is supposed to be closer to the beginning of the end zone so multiple receivers have a shot at a tipped pass 

 

i don’t remember the play you’re referencing but there’s a good chance it wasn’t actually a Hail Mary.  People misuse the term Hail Mary literally all the time…every deep pass to close out a game is not a Hail Mary.  When there’s as many offensive players committing interference as defensive, no flag is coming out period 

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Fairly comfortably? You really have to be kidding! The Bills could’ve easily been flagged for pass interference in the end zone and the Bucs would’ve gotten the ball at the one yard line.

Yea….no chance when Mike evans is shoving defenders in the back down there lol. Y’all are still broken from the hail Murray which wasn’t even really a Hail Mary so this whole thing is completely ironic 😂. Bucs would hit that play last night probably 1/1000 times. The area the football was supposed to go was very well defended and baker wildly missed so it ended up sailing by Godwin who was getting in position to catch a tipped pass and wasn’t ready for it.  

[The Stadium Wall gives me solace]

17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 Except for the Hail Mary at end. Real time it wasn’t but the replay showed they dodged a bullet 😮‍💨 

I cannot disagree more strongly lol the only receiver in the area literally had no idea where the ball was.  The way people are talking about this is such a ridiculous exaggeration from how it actually played out.  
there was a 0% chance that ball was getting caught. Godwin was likely not the initial target on that play and the pass rush/some defensive traffic prevented him from getting to his spot in time so he was completely turned around …the ball was likely supposed to hit a receiver closer to the start of the end zone and Godwin was camping out to catch a tipped ball. 

[The Good, The Bad, The Ugly TNF Bucs edition]

12 minutes ago, DD4Bills said:

One Ugly that I haven't seen mentioned is the bonehead attempt to run a quick play with time running out of the 3rd quarter.

 

Bills had driven from their own 17 to the Bucs 39 and were moving well. Absolutely no reason to try to catch the Bucs off guard and sneak one play in with time expiring in the 3rd. Taking a 10 yard sack in that situation is inexcusable. Running a play in that situation is inexcusable. From that point on, they gained less than 60 yards and punted THREE TIMES from the Bucs side of the field. If they let time expire, go to the 4th, and take the time to setup a real play, I am convinced that they keep driving for points and this game is over.

Something went really wrong there haha I can’t argue with this criticism at all.  The punts I’ll defend but snapping the ball there was a mess.  I think morse thought he caught someone Offside and snapped it and josh wasn’t really ready for it but that’s just a guess