TheCockSportif

That's why I made the point in my second to last response to you about analytics and football people working together.

Analytics and good management are what brought 5 titles in the first place. We all know the drill in MLB. It's pretty much Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and a sprinkling of others who end up in the mix. Most of the other teams are DOA, and when you take a deeper look at how they've built their teams, they've done it badly.

There's nothing wrong with analytics, and in MLB smaller market teams have proven that they can win the World Series. However, and that should've been in all caps, the NFL does not have the luxury of data analysis alone as there is no official league to develop talent over X years. This is not to say that data analysis can't work in the league; this is to say that you need a data person to work in tandem with a football person. So what do the Browns do? The wrong thing. So we agree there.

I've thought about this for a long time, and I've come to the conclusion that the late Ralph Wilson was the problem. I say this as someone who used to watch Bills games with his grandfather... in 1974, and who watched the perpetual mediocrity of this team throughout the 1970s, absolutely horrible teams from 1984-1986, and the abyss of 2000-2014 (I suppose you could call it 2015). On top of it all he pushed for Rob Johnson to start the Music City Miracle game, which was (and remains) totally outrageous. I'm glad that Ralph Wilson setup a situation where the team remained tied to WNY. Still, not giving him a pass for decades of lost seasons. The trajectory, or lack thereof, of the Bills was the result of Wilson's ownership.

I was thinking exactly the bolded above. When I think of the movie "Gladiator," I think of Joachim Phoenix pointing his thumb downwards on the Browns. In as much as Daboll is likely not a long term solution as OC with the Bills, if he takes that job then that's probably the end for him for a HC gig in the NFL.

Baker needs to do a commercial for the Fleet Enema. One would think that it would help.

I believe that Haslam is nuts, fyi. Two words: Sashi Brown.

If a meddlesome owner, as this set of circumstances suggests, ignored him before, then he's not been setup to succeed. Time will tell, but then again, it's the Browns, and I have zero faith in Haslam being able to field a winner.

Brutal? Yes indeed it is. Dorsey apparently threw Kitchens under the bus yesterday, and today he himself got stomped. I'm trying to think of a rational person who would stake their professional reputation on running that organization, and I'm yet to come up with a single name. DePodesta should wear armor on his backside.

Smart? We shall see. I like the idea of using more analytics in football, but not as the end all. Plus he has zero track record in football, and if not for Moneyball his actual results in MLB are debatable.

Woe be the next HC of this team.

17-16 Bills.

I had nothing against Marrone. Sure, he bailed, but my only complaint is that the FO didn't get cleaned out as a part of the coaching change. My second complaint, of course, was Rex.

Who's got the clap now, eh?!

True words, but this is the same organization that made Sashi Brown its de facto GM. Before Sashi Brown was the GM, he was general counsel for the Jags. He had no other NFL experience before that. This is the Browns in vivid and living color. I used to wonder why the Bills kept rolling out guys like Dick Jauron and Chan Gailey and Marrone and now it's crystal clear as to why these things happen; it's because no HC or GM of quality wants to soil their reputation by attaching themselves to horrible organizations.

Spilled reports of family infighting have been around for the past few years, even before Bowlen's passing. I'm not surprised that selling the team is being considered as an option. However, Denver is a town with deep pockets, and I bet that the team will not be on the market for very long. As part of their reboot, perhaps John Elway can be exiled to his steakhouse (which, by the way, is pretty good!).

I would argue that Snyder ruins everything.

I'm not sure if anybody in that moribund organization is devoid of criticism, but there's no question that Dorsey studied the bus schedule then threw Kitchens underneath it when it arrived.

I'd thought that he was more like Manziel 2.0, but this behavior has shades of Ryan Leaf. I think they need a new QB or a bold enough HC to squash this behavior. Good luck to that franchise.

Plus they drafted a chud like Mayfield and brought that weirdo OBJ into the fold -- and figured that it would be all kumbaya. I'm not sure if one can follow a process or build a culture if one lacks situational awareness in the first place.

If they do then it will be the moodiest 6-10 seasons you will ever see. Plus: bologna.

Absolutely true. The media was right that Cleveland's roster had markedly improved over the years, but they ignored... the head coach in their analysis of a championship team. Oops!

I'm actually surprised that Gregg Williams didn't get the HC job in the first place. The Browns seemed like the exact type of dooshy, second-rate organization that would provide him the "dream" HC job he'd been looking for his entire career. Instead they went with the O version of Jim Tomsula. I'm not surprised with this outcome at all. My only curiosity is who would be in their right mind and become the next HC in Cleveland, that is, outside of Jim Tomsula himself.

I think this is right. If memory serves, after having watched the guy here for a few years, the way to uncouple Gilmore is to throw at him early and often.

I find myself shrugging off this loss. I had thought that a W was probable, but even so, it wasn't that much of a game to watch. For me the game to watch happened on Thanksgiving, and then we got a second helping against the Steelers. The last time I was indifferent about a Bills game was in the 1990 season finale against the Redskins. That's a super long time. Plus, I've had a house full of people (Bears fans, my in-laws) for 10 days, and a Pats loss helped take the edge off a bit. Still, I find myself looking forward to the WC round. Unlike the ditty against the Jags two years ago, I'm excited rather than hoping that something bad doesn't happen.