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Buddy, they had low cap hits for lots of different reason. Either rookie contracts or salary cap magic. The Cooper Kupp example, while correct that his listed cap hit was low, is right for the wrong reasons. He was on a 3 year $47M deal at the time. We have drafted 1 non-RB skill position player in first two rounds since 2020. That’s how you fail to limit costs in the receiving groups.

You know what you posted is still out there, right? Oh, when you said “there’s no reason to keep him” you meant maybe in a few seasons I guess? Lmao.

Bro, you don’t understand. His assignment was the patch of grass. He did his 1/11th (which is what all great players do). in all seriousness, that’s a low effort play more than anything, and that’s unusual even by Edmunds’ low standards. I’m starting to buy @Coach Tuesday that this guy has already checked out.

Lmao walking back to “maybe he’s fired in 2 years then.” Classic Doc. Daboll/Schoen will employed by the Giants in 2024. Thanks for agreeing with me lmao

I think you have cause and effect backwards in regards to the offense becoming more Diggs focused. That’s the effect of not having enough talent elsewhere. The Bills have been bargain shopping for receiving talent to put next to Diggs for years. It’s not a coincidence that Allen and the offenses best year was 2020, where we had the best receiving weapons, and the best OL of Allen’s career. Gabe Davis was WR4 in that offense! Then, they went back to the bargain bin for Sanders while hoping Davis made strides and hoping Cole Beasley would stave off Father Time (he didn’t). Worse WR’s, worse result. Then, they promoted Gabe to undisputed WR2 and expected Isaiah McKenzie, Jamison Crowder or a rookie 5th round WR to contribute heavily to the slot WR position. Worse WR’s, worse result. It got so bad that we brought back Cole and John Brown from pseudoretirement. Folks wanting Evans or Hopkins comes from a desire to upgrade the boundary WR position which this team has failed to do consistently since 2020. If you aren’t gonna draft ‘em, you can at least sign them. And the benefit of the old dudes is at least potential savings on the backend compared to paying a young player. My personal philosophy would be to operate like the Steelers did for the second half of Big Ben’s career. A day 2 WR once or twice every two years and let ‘em walk. Big Ben may not have been as good as the other elite QB’s of his era, but he had a stable of weapons constantly (without them costing too much cap wise). We are at a point where we: 1. won’t pay Gabe (reasonably so) 2. will be relying on a rookie WR or a bargain bin player as our WR2 next year. That seems the exact OPPOSITE approach I would take to maximizing our window with Josh’s prime.

They hired Daboll in part to fix Jones. He tried, it worked year 1 and didn't work year 2. They aren't going to fire him and hire ANOTHER coach to fix Jones. It was Jones' last shot, not Daboll's. Do you think that's what the Mara family will do? You can't argue that Schoen/Daboll bought NO good-will from making the playoffs last season. You can argue that they will turn around and fire the reigning COY and the GM who brought them their first winning season in 7 years, but you would be wrong.

There's certainly an aspect of double-dipping statistically because yardage is tied to completions more than the inverse (ie you can't get yardage without a completion but you can get a completion without yardage), so if both are counted, it skews it positively. I still think there is SIGNIFICANT value in efficiency stats IRT to QB's, because football, more than any other sport, has so many factors in regards to scoring, meaning if a QB can extend drives efficiently and gain smaller amounts of yardage consistently, it will provide value beyond the sum of its parts. In hockey, it's really largely shot location (to my limited knowledge). In basketball, it's shot location. Shot from X has % chance of resulting in Y points. And even those relatively simple numbers are greatly affected by WHO is taking the shot. Durant in the midrange may be statistically more efficient than a bum taking layups. Even EPA, which has been around but has spiked greatly in popularity is a much more complicated stat comparative to these other sports leagues.

I'll have to look and see if anyone has numerical breakdown, but to my eye he's still out wide a lot more than in-line. I would be happier with Devonta Smith, Tee Higgins, Jaylen Waddle, Chris Godwin. Probably not Lockett because he's a thousand years old. Mostly because I think they are all better players playing with worse QB's.

Seeing as Kincaid is operating more as a big slot than a true in-line TE, it's not that unusual. Beasley and Knox have averaged over 102 receptions combined before. Hell, in 2021, they had 131 combined.

Totally agree, that's bonkers lol. All these stats breakdown under certain circumstances, which is why football is the hardest sport to capture statistically.

That's pretty much the whole point of "we need to draft another WR high" angle that some folks, myself included, have been banging for about 2 years.

Citation needed. The top rushing offense was worst record in the NFL Chicago Bears last season. The Superbowl Champion Chiefs were 20th. Meanwhile the top 5 passing teams were all playoff teams. Quite a pendulum swing.

He's LCD appeal. It was cheesy and fun at first, but now it's just absurdity

Citation needed. There has been the most blowout (20 pt wins) through four weeks since 2014.

But why male models?

I'm sorry, I completely screwed up and forgot we were talking ANYA. I tried to stealth edit before you got to responding lol You won't convince me that 10 completions for 10 yards each isn't better that 1/10 for 100 yards either.

That's not how NFL owners make decisions. We literally watched this happen with McD/Beane. First year, overachieve, playoffs. Second year, bad year. Were McD/Beane fireable at the end of 18?

How could they be there? The YPA is the exact same if you complete one pass vs 10 passes. Football is predicated on achieving 10 yards to achieve first downs to sustain drives. A QB who completes 1/10 passes for 100 yards is achieving the same yardage, but not contributing outside of one play. A QB going 10/10 for 100 yards could be contributing to multiple scoring drives. A QB going 1/10 cannot by definition of the rules of the game. YPA exists with this gigantic blind spot. It's not that great of a stat lol. You want to say completions are overvalued in passer rating. I think that's a fair critique. But they are essentially neutralized in YPA because getting lucky with a broken play is the treated the same as methodically driving on a defense. Tua has consistently been a top leader in ANYPA (#1 last year, #1 this year). Is it because he is the best QB in the NFL, or because he has the some of the best big play weapons in the NFL? Brock Purdy is #2 this year. Is he the best QB? Or is it the same thing as above? Josh had less ANYPA than Jared Goff last year lmao. Your stat ain't that great.

No, they aren't. Yards are baked into YPA. 1/10 for 100. 10/10 for 100. Same YPA. 9 completions NOT baked in.

The only positive thing that happens from passing is completions. That’s part and parcel to the rules of football. Not all completions are equal. But if you aren’t completing passes, nothing good is happening.

I think the Giants were quite pleased with the step that DJ took last year, personally. they are not stuck with him til “after next year.” He can be released after 6/1 next season, and will only cost them 12M in space more than his contract. The Giants have a projected 43M in space next season, with guys like Waller and Lawrence ripe for restructure. It’s not the big of a deal, cap-wise. They took a chance on him and it didn’t work. It’s not the end of the world lol.

A QB who passes 50 times for 500 yards and zero TDs must’ve done something wrong lol But it’s a similar argument against passer rating. It disproportionately eliminates efficiency whereas passer rating disproportionately favors it.

They had a hard choice to make. DJ had the best year of his career in his contract year (in large part due to Daboll). They elected to give him a short term deal to see if it was sustainable. It wasn’t. it’s not like Daboll drafted Jones. He was already there.

Hey now, you were one of the Edmunds guys. I’d slow down here lmao