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So obviously I know what this all means, but maybe you should break it down for, uh, the other posters who, like, don’t get this….because again obviously I do

So this thread is a perfect example of over analyzing everything the Bills do/don’t do and just looking at scores and records of other teams. Flacco, nice story but look who they have played. He has more than half of the turnovers Josh had and has only played 5 games. Good defense, no doubt, but they did give up 17 in the first half to the Jets the other night (yes they only gave up 3 after the half) Dolphins finally beat a team with a winning record. I don’t think that defense is anywhere near as good as they have shown lately (again, look who they have played, specifically the QBs they have played) I get it, we are all Bills fans so naturally we are more invested in them. If you look objectively at the other teams, there’s not a team that should scare you-outside of the Bills having a letdown

Why?? Guy is getting a guaranteed $39 million next year no matter what!

So do other QBs have as many “arm punts” as Josh does? I honestly don’t even remember the term arm punt before a couple of years ago. It’s semantics and sure sometimes it’s just as good as a punt, but they do play into the national narrative about Josh and turnovers. Yeah a couple of times he gave his WR a shot, but there’s been a couple where he gave no one a chance besides the defensive player

So apparently the media and public have a limit on acceptable undeserving people for awards - 1. Unfortunately that honor currently belongs to the MVP favorite

Ok I can see that, so just to play devils advocate again-if Josh has a couple of these types of interceptions, then I’m guessing so do most of the other top QBs, it’s probably somewhat of a wash in the end. If they don’t, then it stands to reason Josh could lower his as well

So the part I have an issue with is the idea that an “arm punt” is no big deal or should be looked at differently. I would rather have a leg punt than an arm punt. An interception of any kind can flip momentum. As Miami showed against the Jets, an interception on a Hail Mary can also prove to be costly. Josh does have a lot of interceptions, no matter the reason, but he has also put up an incredible amount of offense and touchdowns. Hopefully that part carries over to the final 2 games, the Bills win both and the voters make their decision then (as opposed to with 2 weeks to go which it sounds like some already have)

So something that should be brought up against Lamar but won’t is his accountability in the lack of weapons. It’s not like Baltimore hasn’t tried. They have used 3 first round picks on WR, multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders on playmakers, have signed several free agents and none of them pan out. Does the “MVP” get a free pass on that? Shouldn’t voters take that into consideration when they make their vote?

The reality is the MVP is just a stats award. It goes to the QB with the best stats. There is quite the gap between Josh and Lamar statistically and if the Bills can finish with the 2 seed, I think it will be really hard to give Lamar the award

Outside of the Jets game, what game did Josh lose for the team???

Go back and read our messages then come back and answer, otherwise there’s nothing more to discuss There’s not a single person who would say they want the MVP over the Super Bowl, we agree on that. You make it seem like it’s ludicrous that people even want to debate the MVP though

Actually yes I do have a big problem with you saying you would rather have an MVP than a Super Bowl. Who would rather have that? Wanting to see Josh win the MVP (or at least debating it) also doesn’t mean no one wants to win the Super Bowl-who thinks that linearly?

If that’s Lamar performing “well” under pressure, I LOVE the Bills chances against him. 65% completion, barely 250 yards, and 2 touchdowns? Sounds like a pretty average day for a QB

Has anyone said they would rather have Josh win the MVP as opposed to the Super Bowl?

If the Ravens win tonight then Jackson will be Included in that…I don’t necessarily agree with it, but he will be

The comparison isn’t intended to be Josh vs Trevor as a QB-there’s no debate about that. My point is that it seems Lawrence relatively speaking has gotten a much bigger pass on his turnovers than Josh has. We all know why, but perhaps after this season there will be more scrutiny on the QB who had by far the best team in the AFC south and they could now potentially lose the division and not even make the playoffs!

Oh I agree with that, it just seems to me that Lawrence is in the Justin Herbert category-somehow he is able to escape a lot of blame that perhaps other QBs aren’t afforded

You think Brady has faced an easier set of games than what the Bills faced last year? Jets, Chiefs, and Cowboys all have good-great defenses, Eagles have a great run defense (they give up a lot of passing yards though) and yeah they should’ve done better against the chargers. That’s not an easy stretch to start as the OC. Im also not sure about saying this AFC is the weakest it’s been in years. I was listening to a podcast the other day talking about this and they were talking about this. The perception is since it’s not Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow at the top it seems weaker but there are still very strong teams. I do agree with you though that I do like the Bills chances against any team in the AFC (or NFC for that matter).

Since Josh has this perception of being turnover prone and that seems to be the biggest thing people talk about with him, why is there not the same narrative about Trevor Lawrence? He has 8 games in his career (including today) where he has had 3+ turnovers. By comparison, Josh only has 5. Not only that, he has only 1 less turnover than Josh has since the start of 2022. So how is it that turnovers are never really something mentioned with Lawrence? My guess is it has something to do with his draft status and him being a “can’t miss” prospect

Man was Miami “lucky” in their game today-won by 2, last second field goal, needed 5 field goals just to be in the game (including a 50+ yarder), team didn’t play well….means they won this game purely on luck right?

It’s not absurd at all! You keep saying they got lucky-so answer for me, so other teams get “lucky” or is it just the Bills? Or does it not matter because what one team does has no effect on another team-or whatever nonsensical argument you’re trying to make? What many have said and what I will say AGAIN (please finally read and understand this) claiming the Bills only won that game because of luck is disingenuous. They could have played better, sure, but the bottom line is they won the game. It wasn’t a lucky win, it was an ugly win-big difference that you’re not getting

Because you can’t sit here and criticize Josh’s play without comparing it to his contemporaries. As I have mentioned already to you but you still ignore is that every team lacks consistency. How is Josh playing compared to other QBs? How “lucky” have other teams been this year? Without those comparisons your argument lacks context

So then the question is why do they have him run the routes he does if he is a big receiver? Nothing down the seam, no comebacks, everything is an out route or he’s used as a safety valve

There was A LOT of talk before this 4 game stretch that the Bills would be lucky to win 1, maybe 2 games. They ended up going 3-1 and are a Jake Elliott absolute bomb from 59 yards from going 4-0. Say what you will about them being LuCkY but have some appreciation for how the team played over the last 4. Bottom line, they handled their business-now keep it going through these final 2 games and into the playoffs

Ahhhhh there it is!! The old “can’t expect to play like that and beat________” Boeing cliche that’s used in here all the time after a close win. Here’s the thing about close wins-it’s an absolute impossibility to play a flawless game and also have the game be close. All i keep reading all season is “the Bills got lucky that this didn’t happen” no they are winning some close games and losing some close ones. A big complaint on here is the Bills can’t win close games. Guess what, they won a close game yesterday. In case you have forgotten, the other team is also paid to play football too. i feel like you’re ignoring the responses being made to your posts-not one person has said they played a good game yesterday. They played an ugly game BUT THEY STILL WON. That is infinitely more important than whatever point you’re trying to make