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They had all the leverage, his only option was to uproot his whole life and go play for a loser team, OR get paid an absurd amount of money to play for a winning team. He wouldn’t play for half of his market value this year, but he also didn’t want to give that money up. He’s lucky they kept that big of an offer on the table. Hopkins is better and struggled to get paid. I don’t think Steph is going to find a hot market for his services.

We disagree on what a hit is. In the first round, if they aren’t an impact player, I don’t consider it a hit. Allen is the only first round player that is a true impact player. Oliver is a good player, as is Groot, but nobody is worrying about them. They are average starters. That’s not a bad outcome, but with Oliver being a top 10 pick, he’s a disappointment. Elam is a bust, Kincaid is promising, we’ll see, same for Torrence. AJE is a JAG. Diggs trade.. I really consider it a loss because the benefit of a first round pick is 5 years of cost control and Diggs wasn’t here 5 years and was immediately paid and then paid again and now is taking 30M in cap to play for another contender in the AFC. So objectively, the Diggs trade was a disaster. I don’t think Beane is doing a bad job on the whole, but his inability to find anyone of real impact outside of Josh is the difference between rings and watching KC win another. The lack of talent on the roster is what caused the Von signing, after burning 2 high picks on that very position the year before, so you wasted a draft and burned massive amounts of cap on the same position, that is the type of thing that’s sets you back big time, and it has.

Well, they have those guys, sooo

Then you also need to acknowledge, at this point, it’s a pattern of not finding impact players early in the draft. Something is odd, they do find a lot of guys late, yet continue to whiff early.

I think there are only two reasonable explanations for this post 1) Blind Homerism or 2) you are/are related to Beane. There hasn’t been a single game played and you are giving him credit for hits we haven’t seen yet and already forgiving the misses you already assume he has. Sounds typical.

The MNF line up is trash this year

Allen had an ELITE SEASON, not a nice finish to one, there’s a big difference. Remember everyone crowing Baker the greatest thing ever after his rookie year? Winston? Etc, so many guys start out pretty well and then the league has tape, Love has so many bad tendencies, his going to have a very rough year this year IMO.

Have we not learned to not judge a QB for half a season of production yet? I may be wrong, but I see him as someone who hopes to be as good as Dak.

I can see the argument for Stroud, even if it’s just the contract end of it. Love? Now THAT is the most overrated QB/possibly player in the entire league. The Packers are going to regret that contract real quick. Come back at the end of the year and quote me as being dead wrong, but that guy is no where near an elite QB as it stands.

Good for him, he’s getting a paycheck and possibly an opportunity to suit up a few times this year, gotta love the perspective. I would honestly take him over the QB formerly known as Mitch, I’m afraid he’s toast.

I think if you reverse the QBs the results would be the same, KC would still be winning and people would be question Mahomes. I take NOTHING away from Mahomes, he’s awesome. I do feel the choice of McClappy as coach is a major hindrance to Allen. When you have a guy that wants to spend time, resources and money on the defense first and leave all the offensive duty to a coordinator, you lose talent to the D and all it takes is the coordinator getting a new gig to have to start over on the most important things again. If you have a HC who is offensive minded, your scheme stays the same and the QB can grow within it. For this reason, I’d never hire a defense first HC. Now I know I’ll get the Bellicheck argument, but that offense was clearly his. Nothing changed when coordinators left, same plans. Here it’s a whole new system every time and it’s been a revolving door of new coordinators.

I completely agree, the system makes QBs look better than they may be in others, which is partially why I was baffled that Lance even got a 4th round pick in return. He’s awful, the fact Dallas fans thought he was the future shows how delusional the average fan base is. I think Jimmy in LV is a little unfair, the whole team was a poop show and if we were going judge fairly, I think they would have been better w him vs O’Connell, after Pierce took over, but coach seemed to like the rookie. I look at Jimmy G, when Healthy, which is nearly never, and he has been a decent QB. I think Purdy is significantly better. Is Purdy kind of spoiled with all those weapons? FOR SURE. Is he getting a ton out of them though? Yes, he is. I look at a guy like Goff and I think that’s kind of where Purdy fits. He’s got talent, but if you don’t give him something to work with, he’s not going to do it ALL by himself. He’s tough, he’s smart, he accurate and has enough arm to make any throw. He’s pretty solidly between the group of Giants at the top and well before the guys that don’t even look great with talent. To me that’s tier 2, I guess you can argue for tier 3, but I see him as better than those guys.

They let people in Baltimore vote… that and idiots are the only ones that would vote vote Jackson over Allen. Objectively speaking, Allen is superior to Jackson in everything meaningful as a qb. Jackson is a slightly more dangerous runner and because of that, it opens things up for the offense.

I agree with your concept that a smart QB can thrive. That said, I don’t think that’s as easy to find as you make it sound. Jimmy G has had stints in the league looking pretty good, he didn’t really lose the job in LV so much as they were going no where and had to see what they had, turned out to be a spark with O’Connell and a new coach. Lance looked like crap even being the 3rd overall pick, and many many guys have had decent starts to a career and fell off a cliff. Purdy has something about him, he’s playing great football. Would I put him out there with nothing and expect miracles? No, he’s not Josh Allen, but I see nothing wrong with him in the same group as Stafford.

I see 10 games I think they should win, but I expect growing pains and some flukes, so I’m going w 9.

Better than Denzel Mims.. at least it was only a 5th round pick.

That’s true, BUT how much is it worth to miss the playoffs (or worse) over him? They could do it if they really were committed to it, I think they are still on the hopium high and seeing if it works out.

They will be dreadful, but will they admit it or be drunken sailors again? The pool of crap was deep in TC for the Bills too. Depth doesn’t mean any real talent is there, just means you have a bunch of guys around the same talent level and in this case, they are choosing to develop the young guys and hope bc he’s not getting younger and they are going nowhere fast.

I’d be shocked if they don’t bring somebody to the practice squad at very least. Bass has proven to be shaky at best. I hate the fact they didn’t bring somebody in earlier.

1) Bass has to not choke. 2) Shakir has to become a Pro Bowler 3) Von, Jones, Milano all need to return to form and be healthy late in the year. 4) Mahomes and Jackson both have to have season ending injuries. 5) To win the SB, the 49ers will also have to be banged up. Step one is start by hitting on some draft picks, continued whiffing on elite talent has left the need to fill the talent with Free Agency. The Chiefs have done most of their damage with guys they drafted. The only place they have really spent money for guys outside the organization is on OT.

Whats your take on the prices going down closer to that game? I’m flying in for it, got the travel and hotel done, looking at tickets, want to go 50 yard line to be real honest. I haven’t been to a Bills game in a few years and want to do it right, the fees are INSANE. I budgeted $1k for the pair, looks like I need to almost double it, which is insane because the base price of the tickets aren’t that far off, but the fees are $200+ a seat.

What!? Why?

I’ll preface this with saying, I hope I’m super wrong and have to go shoot an actual crow to eat. Shakir is not likely to suddenly become Andre Reed. He will be lucky to reach Cole Beasley/John Brown levels of success. If he manages to just eat up Davis’ catches and 20% of Diggs, that would be a HUGE success. On the MOST optimistic thought I can come up with, if he gets 85 catches for ~1000 yards, he’s had a remarkable year. Kincaid is going to come down to how they use him. Is he really just going to be a WR or are they going to leave him in to block half the time? 100 catches is a BIG task, averaging about 6 a game. Can he? Absolutely. But don’t forget they intend to pass less, run more, and have Knox to eat up 40ish TE catches. If they cut Kincaid loose and let him serve as a giant slot, cool, he can get 100. If he does that, it eats up the touches for Shakir. The question is going to become, how will they keep teams from jamming the box and taking away everything they want to do. There is zero threat to take the top off. So that task may be left to Shakir. Samuel has speed, but he’s also not typically a deep route guy, Hamler is no lock to make the roster, nor is Isabella, MVS, or anyone else with fear inducing speed. Coleman and Hollins basically are possession guys, all working in the same presumed zones as Kincaid/Knox. I’m pretty confident Brady is smarter than I am and has a plan for this, but everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. So let’s hope it is a good one.

To me both Herbert and Lawrence lack the “it” factor, tremendously talented athletes, but I just don’t believe they love the game and have a burning passion for it. Are they competitors? Absolutely. I think they are closer to Luck than Manning though. This is their job, not their life. The difference watching Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Brady etc is/was Football is everything. They may say all the right things, but are they living it? I venture to say no. It may only be 1% different, but passion matters.

How anyone has Herbert that high baffles me.