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Probably about 15 degrees here in Toledo, OH. Snow accumulation looks like about 3-5 inches so far, should be between 8-12 by 1pm tomorrow. The wind is gusting causing large snowdrifts and white out conditions. Streets have now been updated to level 3 emergency status. If Toledo streets/drivers handle snow like they do rain I predict a catastrophic morning commute. In Kzoo or WNY I’m sure it would be business as usual.

Nick Harper CB, Colts

Think more top ten picks. I know it's hard because if the guy’s top ten he probably had a great career and is hyped, but we know we will see at least a couple top ten busts. I tried staying away from QB because it's almost a given that 50% will bust. A bust on a top 10 RB is one of the biggest busts/bad decisions a team can have IMO.

I'm not sure about that. His ESPN stats say he hasn't fumbled once at Oklahoma, not sure if that’s accurate or not. Regardless I doubt him based on things outside of carrying the football.

I nominate Adrian Peterson for my biggest bust of the 2007 draft. In 2004 Peterson started all 13 games, 2005 he started 7, and in 2006 he started 6. Two out of the three years he hasn’t even played half an NFL season. I’m not going to analyze how he got injured; just simply pointing out that he’s been injured a lot. Regardless of his injury history his running style won’t help his durability in the pros, or the transition he will make from the college game. Peterson will fight for yards and take on a lot of extra contact. His great strength allows him to drag defenders and break tackles without lowering his pads. In college he could do this and keep his eyes up field, utilizing his speed to break so many long runs. In the pro’s it just won’t work like that, and those additional hits will wear on his 6’2 frame. People naturally think he’s a good between the tackles runner but he’s more of a stretch play home run type, that doesn’t know how to get you 3 or 4 yards consistently. In the pros he has to know how to get 4 yards instead of trying for 50 and getting a loss. Overall I just see some serious injury concerns, and a large style transition Peterson must overcome to be a franchise back. I don’t think he can be a guy that will survive 5 years from now as a full time starter. He will make some highlight reels but will never live up to the expectations. Runner Up- Brady Quinn

What pisses me off more then the obvious bigotry and hatred is how detrimental this propaganda is to the lives of those who subscribe to it. The Klan often seeks out the most alienated, confused, and abused youth in this country. Klan leaders take these kids/teens in and give them the home and support they so desperately need. It's the perfect set up for the propaganda they will imprint on the brains of these victims.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6432308...CP&GT1=9131 Wow

In all fairness Bills fans mocked Brown for about 3 years until we let him go. He had a reputation for living off his name and committing an obscene amount of penalties. If you cried over his loss a few years back you were probably one of the only ones that did. Williams was not brought back largely because of the harsh nature of a TD lead negotiation. We lost out and it sucks, but it sucks no more then promising Nate we won't franchise him. I guess I just don't see the need to bring TD up over this. A big reason many feel we have a bright future is from TD led signings. Hindsight has shown that he actually was a damn good assembler of talent. His downfall was not finding the right coach to put it together and not upgrading the line. Sprinkle in a little Drew Bledsoe and you have enough to show why the talent never produced in the win column.

I bet you pull chicks three times as hot as this one huh? Damn I envy you.

I love Marv, Jauron, and the direction this team is going. But I agree that Marv seems pretty infallible around here. This was no doubt a horribly weak cop out to get Nate in on time last year. I just really wish Marv would have understood that in a contract year no F'n way Nate would not show up, or do his very best.

My German Shepherds smarter then you

Exactly. This is the way I look at it. If you take everybody in the world and randomly select athletes no country will have better athletes over the long term. That's not say the Theory of Evolution doesn't play into some regions, and how they relate to certain skills, but the very best athletes from all nations are developed. Americans don't excel in the team sports because the lack of training they receive for international play with each other. When it comes to individual sports, which actually is a better indication of individual athleticism we dominate.

Blue on Blue? More like Smurf Fugger

Don't most European countries have national teams dedicated to the Olympics, or at least athletes much more involved with the Olympics training then America? I also see some of our athletes receive less fundamental training then our European counterparts. For an example of both worlds look no further then the NBA. We bring our NBA players from every team, but they have no clue how work together. I've always felt the NBA champions (excluding foreign players) would field a more competitive team because they're a team. To make matters worse we have NBA players receiving less fundamental training in younger years. Most these guys develop individual skills on the streets and the best players rarely finish 4 years threw college. The best Europeans go threw intense fundamental training in a team atmosphere specifically designed for international play. These players start in the systems before they're 10, and from that time on they've trained for this moment. They might be inferior individually but this isn't a sport meant for individuals. That is unless it’s the NBA.

Okoye's mother never had a gestation period. He was born one week after conception with all the intangibles.

According to whom? No offense but you speak as if it's true. The evidence isn't exactly overwhelming when you consider Ngata looks like a franchise DT. If you try and argue a SS is more valuable then a DT of equal skill level you'll lose every time. I'm not interested in hearing the Cover 2 card either. If Whitner becomes half the player Bob Sanders is we should be thrilled. Even with that freak of nature the Colts still can't stop anybody on the ground, and it damn near cost them the Super Bowl once again.

This is a freaking message board. With the draft approaching this is relevant. Do you think it’s at all possible given the power of foresight we should have drafted Ngata? If even a part of you thinks that then it’s relevant that our GM did something almost no team does to bypass selecting him.

This was my draft strategy. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...10&hl=ngata

My title might have seemed like a jab at Whitner. I actually like Whitner, I just don't like the decision to draft his position over others given all the variables. I believe the error was the same one TD committed when he selected a one kneed RB late first round a couple years back. Marv might hit a home run with Whitner, just as TD could have with Willis, but without truly knowing if he would or wouldn't it was a mistake to draft these guys at the slots we did. When you review the draft history you can position the pedigree of Whitner with other safeties. 4% means that in any given NFL season 1 safety will be playing that was drafted in the top ten over the last 17 years. It's true we have 4 playing right now, and the position is evolving, but these top ten selections are still very rare and of the highest pedigree. If Marv saw something that he really loved in Whitner then great, but at the least why wouldn't you trade down? At best why wouldn't you draft the number one DT prospect when it's clear your run defense is going to be a pathetic? There is a reason you see so few safeties drafted this high. The likelihood for bust is the same but the potential for impact is completely inferior to other positions that get drafted routinely in the top 10. It will be great to see this work out and see Whitner be elite, but it was a fundamental error in drafting picking him that high. A standout SS's impact would not equal that of a standout DT. If it did the proportions would become at least somewhat balanced.

That might have something to do with the scheme. Cover 2 is all about the pass, the Jerry Grey is all about the Blitz.

When did Bob Sanders get drafted?

I agree that the middle of the draft was solid as can be, and I'm happy Marv's leading this team. The reason I looked into this was the recent talk of round 1 being a success, and the passing of Ngata. I feel we past on Ngata because he wasn't the idle fit for this defense. Any other reason just wouldn't make sense from an attitude, need, or talent point of view. I really wanted him, and after watching him this year he reminds me of Sam Adams, but actually gave a crap. How is a quick mountain of a man not exactly what we so desperately needed? It's true we needed a safety and as I showed we went against every draft trend to get one. Even those trends established by the dozen or so teams that played the cover 2 the last 17 years (0 top ten picks). Was Whitner viewed as such an elite prospect out of college, or has he done anything this year to place him in such status? This is a category that only 4% of all NFL safeties entered the league in. The ones that have done so have had success, but since 96% of the rest of the safeties entered the league under other conditions the majority of elite pro bowl safeties have come from this group. To top it off not once in the last 17 years have any two safeties gone top ten the same year. So we really couldn't have traded down? I don't know ultimately how this decision will play out. A lot of that depends on how Whitner pans out, and how McCargo pan out. I just think the mistakes in philosophy at this point are clear. That if these mistakes continue we eventually won't have 3 or 4 solid day two picks to make up for it. Marv needs to play game, or he and the Bills will get played.

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It bothers me that so many people talk about how great our draft was, and use Whitner in the argument. You can argue for a lot of players making this a good draft, but Whitner is not one of them (at least for now). Since 1990 170 players have been selected in the top ten picks of the NFL draft. Of the 170 players 7 played either safety position in college. That’s 4.1% of all the top ten picks in the last 17 years. The list includes Mark Carrier, Troy Vincent, Roy Williams, Eric Turner, Sean Taylor, and this years additions in Michael Huff and Whitner. The first four guys on the list have played in a combined 13 pro bowls, and not a single one of them had less then two pro bowl appearances. Taylor looks like he should certainly add to that list if he keeps his head on straight. The point is not that Daunte Whitner can’t become one of these guys. It’s that drafting a safety this early is VERY rare, and in the cases teams did it they found pro bowl caliber players for at least a few seasons. It seems like the barometer for Whitner is if he’s a good player he was a good pick. If I drafted a good kicker in round 1 would it be a good pick if that kicker wasn’t great? Whitner is not a good pick until he shows he can play at a pro bowl level. I’ll give him time to do that, but just by making this decision Marv got himself in an uphill battle.

Just under the part that talks about Steinbach it mentions the Bills also having interest in Dielman. Given his style I would probably rather have Dielman. Steinbach seems to be the fan favorite and would be just fine, but Dielman is the better run blocker of the two. Since Peters shapes up to be better in the passing game I want a LG whose better in the run game.