Mikie2times

The name Marcus Price stands out....Is that it?

I agree that it will be much improved, but you also don't draft 3 CB's if you think the position is set. People who say it was just the pass rush are simplifying things way to much. It's always a combination of secondary play AND pass rush. Both were deficient, both were addressed, so we should stand to improve a great deal.

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Thats what I figured. Buffalo probably had a couple of guys targeted high, but one Bills scout has already indicated that he thought Fine was the best overall TE in the class. They probably said we won't trade up because we know we can get Fine, but if one of our guys falls to us early we will pill the trigger.

Not exactly, that is, unless you feel like your in a better position to judge the problem then our coaching staff. I would say 3 corners drafted would indicate it wasn't just the pass rush to them.

What I'm saying is having good players in the middle will help your DE. He doesn't need a good DT, as was the case in 2006 AFTER Pat and Sam left, and he ranked 3rd in the league in sacks. That same year he averaged getting a sack in 75% of his games, while the other top 6 sacks leaders that year averaged getting a sack in only 59% of the games. In 2005 he ranked 5th. He actually had two of his best season without good interior players. He had a down year last year, but that isn't a clear signal his double digit years are behind him. Name me 7 players with more sacks then him over the last three seasons.....

I don't think thats the case. Schobel is good enough to have been to a pro bowl. Kelsey and Denney are strong in the run game. Ellis has exceptional quickness as a pass rushing specialist. It's not our strongest area, but it's hardly a weakness, and it will only improve as the interior draws more attention.

DE:Schobel,Kelsey,Ellis,Denney DT: Stroud, McCargo, Johnson, Williams OLB: Mitchell, Ellison, Bowen MLB: Posluszny, DiGiorgio OLB: Crowell CB: McKelvin, McGee, Greer, James, Corner, Youboty FS: Simpson, Wilson SS: Whitner Nucleus in bold Youth: Average nucleus age 26.47 Signed: 15 out of 17 nucleus players under contract threw 2009 Depth: 19 of 23 players with starting experience

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I REALLY liked the draft. At the same time I know that all of us, Bills included, are years out from knowing how good it was. So I don't blow a gasket and proclaim the draft a total failure or success. I think Todd, myself, and several others are fine with people not liking the draft. The board was made for debate, I just wish those with both positive and negative views would keep it in the context that none of us really know, or will ever know until about 3 years from now. It's one thing to say I don't like the draft, it's another to say the Bills draft sucked. You can not like it, but you sure as hell don't know if it sucked, just like I sure as hell don't know that it was good.

Some people think our cheerleaders are ugly. I think all cheerleaders are special.

I stayed at a holiday in express last night, and can throw a football over a mountain. I also pee fruit punch Gatorade. Sometimes I pee on myself after I throw the football over the mountain.

It just gets tiresome, the constant negativity, all the time. It's never ending, it makes me take weeks off from the board because I just can't take it anymore. It's one thing to be critical, present some reasoning why your being critical, have discussion etc. It's another to always be critical, never present anything worth discussion, never do anything but say the Bills suck, the Bills draft sucks, the Bills cheerleaders suck, Ralph sucks, field turf sucks, the uniform suck....These people add nothing to the board, they seem to be multiplying daily, and this thread is a perfect example of it. This draft sucks because of the positioning......... OK then, what would have made it not suck in terms of positioning? Why would drafting only by positional needs be a draft strategy that is better BPA? What particular positions should we have avoided the BPA theory for to draft? He adds no substance or reason for logical debate, just "this draft sucks because of positioning". Sorry if we don't welcome such rare insights with open arms.

If you liked the Patriots you would be crying about Mayo being taken so high, or O'Connell being picked in the 3rd.

Most people you mentioned just get irritated at the constant sky is falling posts that happen to overtake this board 75% of the year and 99% of the time when the draft is on. People get mad that player A or position B wasn't selected, when these same people have absolutely no clue what our coaches know about the current roster or what our talent evaluators know about the draft. They constantly B word that they know whats best over people who have been doing this for a life time, have 100 times more access to evaluation tools, and actually know who on the roster might be up and coming, who won't, and who might not even be with us soon. Our evaluators and coaches are not perfect, no coaches are perfect, no GM's are perfect, but anybody who presumes this draft to be a failure before it's even over, before at least 3 years has elapsed, based on position selected or the players selected, is a flat out idiot.

I was playing around with my TV one day and unintentionally blocked ESPN. I don't know the code I blocked it in, but I know I haven't missed the channel one bit. I'm glad I did. I get the NFL network and what they did exceeded ESPN 100 times over. Kiper is nothing. He's a fan, never played the game, has no real knowledge to add thats relevant. At least NFL network had guys who played the game, and watched film. They had reporters who seemed to be 1000 times more entrenched in what was really happening then ESPN ever could. I'm all NFL network for my draft needs from this point forward. For awhile I thought NFL network was getting inside information, they just didn't miss very often. Wouldn't surprise me if they did, even if that wasn't the case, I'm sure as hell not going to feel sorry for MTVESPN. That network is a joke.

I would rather to that to, I just don't expect we will.

He runs in the 4.7's, I'm not saying he doesn't have pass coverage ability but he's limited in speed, he's not flexible either. He wastes movements when he runs, he doesn't accelerate well. He is not an athlete, he is a VERY smart, VERY hard worker, who adds great depth, but should never be considered a starter for this team, outside or inside.

I love DiGiorgio, followed him dating back to high school. But this is a defense predicated on speed, and athleticism, and as much heart as DiGiorgio has, he's very limited in that department. He also doesn't play OLB. Again we would be morons to pass on Conner with Angelo's contract situation.

And AC is guaranteed to be in a Bills uniform after this season? How don't we need a guy who has 1st round potential as a replacement for Angelo. AC will demand excessive amounts of money, and it's more then possible he doesn't get retained. Add in the versatility Conner brings from OLB to MLB, the chemistry with PP, and we would be complete morons to pass on him if he's available in the 3rd.

I don't think we should draft Mario, he loses concentration to often, and tended to only make damage in the deep passing game which isn't what I envision our offense moving forward. I still like the idea of going for a TE. If your looking for a vertical threat my guys would be Rucker or Tamme, but both are very limited in terms of blocking ability. If your looking for a blocker, my guy would be Craig Stevens out of Cal, who's essentially a third Tackle. I expect a FB, my preference is towards Peyton Hillis or Jacob Hester, who bring power running (again RZ production) and more of a west coast style to them (what I envision as our offense moving forward). Fill it in with a C, DE, OG, OLB, FS....I would get more specific but I'm about to hit the town. Have a good night.

McKelvin was the best CB in the draft hands down, he was always my #1, I just didn't think we would get a chance at him. We needed to abandon the zone scheme against the Patriots because we can't release Moss to a FS or SS in stride (see George Wilson, see the play when the Giants nearly lost the SB at the end with a corner AND safety help on Moss). In 2006 when we played the pass reasonably well, we switched at the bye to isolating Nate on one side and played zone on the opposite. The following year when we lost Nate we dropped to the bottom of the barrel in pass defense. No matter how many want to downgrade corner because of the system we needed a player like this. Not only that but it moves one of our other CB's to nickel, which either Greer or McGee would be best served anyway (opposite smaller quicker WR's). Overall, I think we should see a considerable improvement in the pass defense with the interior upgrades and addition of a player like McKelvin. As for Hardy, I will admit I was never a big fan of his, but I see why we made the move and can be happy with it so long as we retain Evans. I don't feel Hardy has any chance in his career of developing into a #1 WR. He just doesn't have the fluidity and separation ability you need in that role. He's a stride runner, which lends itself to decreased acceleration times and less explosiveness. Having said that two things are very clear to me at this point, Buffalo needs to score more TD's in the RZ, and Hardy is the best RZ target in this draft. You just can't match up with that height, length, and leaping ability. I don't expect big numbers in terms of yards, YAC, or even catches, but I do expect 6 to 7 TD's as a rookie, with the potential to reach double digits later in his career. That, IMO, is great value in the second round, no matter if he's #1 material or not. Your thoughts on the draft Pete?

Watched him since he was a freshman. A clone of Drew Bledsoe, with half the skill. Welcome with open arms to the east Mr. Henne.

Rock on man, I think thats pretty sweet. Would make for a good fantasy football draft board also.

I don't care how he's slotted, and I'm not saying he should go in the first. I'm saying I still think he's the best WR in this class. I'm also not watching who he plays, I'm watching him. I'm not going to get into a debate over this, already had enough of that. It's irrelevant at this point anyway, we will find out at the end of the year who had the biggest impact as a rookie, and then a few years from now, who turned out to be best.