CincyBillsFan

What the hell is wrong with these refs? Isn't there someone in NYC watching this that can alert these clowns that a Tackle is improperly lining up and moving before the snap on almost EVERY FREAKING PLAY?

Judas Priest you just entered the Twilight Zone. The play after the Chiefs went up by 2 scores in the 3rd quarter Allen, ignoring the easier and safer 15 yard completion to Knox, throws a 75 yard TD pass to Davis to make it a came and rattle the Chiefs. And somehow it's Allen fault that the Chiefs only punted twice? WTH?

If you think Allen has been the cause of our lack of Super Bowls the last couple of years I don't know what to say. For you to say this you have to be deliberately ignoring Allen's 2021 playoff run. In back to back playoff games against NE & KC Allen gave the best QB performance in the playoffs that I have ever scene. Every thing you sited he exhibited in excess during that 2021 playoff run. I have said it before and I'll repeat it again: Allen is not the one preventing the Bills from winning Super Bowls. If over the next 3 seasons Allen plays like he has played the last 3 seasons and the Bills fix the O line, add another play maker and get their D to perform better in the playoffs the Bills will be hoisting the Lombardi Trophy.

Why does it bother you? Sure it can never be definitely proven but you can make a solid argument that over his career no QB has worked harder at his craft then Allen. In fact why on earth are you bothered that on a Bills message board here are homers who view the Bills through an optimistic lens? I'll visit Finnheavan, Gang Green, Jungle Noise (Bengals) and that NE board and it doesn't surprise me in the least that there are homers on those boards.

Classic trolling. Throw out something that no one is actually saying and then run with it. The comments I'm seeing about Allen outworking other QB's are related to his career where he was faced with the challenge of improving his mechanics. That he did so in spite of much of the national sports media claiming that he could not is a testament to his hard work in the off season. Palmer reinforced this in multiple interviews and we all saw the product of Allen's hard work on the field.

This is a mischaracterization of what Allen said. As Beck has repeatedly shown us Allen did not say that he didn't hit the gym or lift in the off season. He told us what he did and didn't do and the time frame that was involved.

You consider that a reasonable take? Hmmmmmmmm

Yea he looked real pudgy in that Miami heat furnace game where half the Bills were being dragged off the field with heat exhaustion while Allen took 99 snaps ad never left the field once. You people are nuts.

And Mahomes, who is like a TV star because he's in so many commercials is proof positive that the modern elite NFL QB can make commercials and excel at the game of football. These attacks on Allen by some posters are really weird. It seems like every season there is a new round of dark whispers suggesting something fundamentally wrong with Allen: * Remember how they complained Allen wasn't accurate? And then when he improved his accuracy they complained he couldn't throw the deep ball? * And when he became the best deep ball thrower in the NFL they whispered that Allen wouldn't take the easy gimme throws and would only go after the lower probability deep shots. I mean on every play multiple Bills players were wide open for huge gains but Allen just ignored them! * Then when Allen was killing teams with his legs they whispered that he would get hurt all the time. Now, after 4 straight seasons (KNOCK ON WOOD) of not missing a game they hint darkly of Allen having a truncated career because of his running. * Remember how they whispered that Allen couldn't play in front of big crowds which is why he id so well in 2020. Then in 2021 & 2022 he had some of his greatest games in prime time pressure cooker environments in front of huge hostile crowds? * Then they hinted that Allen couldn't play great in playoff games. And then he went out and had some of the best playoff games of any QB in recent NFL history. * And now they're whispering that Allen is lazy and maybe dumb and he doesn't study film and he lets his body go in the off season. He gets drunk and he makes to many commercials. Judas Priest when this is shown to be complete BS like all the other things what will they whisper then?

Or maybe the commercials are not a distraction but a nice way for these QB's to rebound after very stressful seasons. In fact the commercials are part of the job for elite QB's.

You mean like Mahomes who is in about a million commercials?

There is a small group of Bills "fans" and trolls at 2BD that really get into knocking Allen. They remind me of those Middle Ages flagellants that whip themselves bloody while chanting.

Even better if it was the AFC north cannibalizing themselves with their division winner finishing in 4th place in the standings. And the Ravens 7 year preseason winning streak didn't exactly translate to elite play in the regular season with only 1 playoff win through that time.

I would throw out Lance Allworth and Bobby Chandler as being smooth in their receiving style.

I'd double the bet that Allen wins the Super Bowl the last two years if he was the Bengal's QB. And for the record I think Burrow is elite.

Quick look, he's also rushed for 3087 yards, with a 5.7 aver, for 228 1st downs and 38 TD's in 77 reg season games - that's wildly great! Oh and he only lost 28 fumbles.

I was curious about how important throwing double digit INT's was without any further context so I looked up Tom Brady's stats. In 20 seasons where he played the full season Brady threw double digit INT's in 12! That's 60% of his career.

If as the result of a PRESEASON GAME Tasker leveled any meaningful criticism beyond the Bills O needs to clean up the penalties he should lose his job.

Do people think that Dorsey game planed for Pittsburgh other then to tell Allen not to run and bail if he feels pressure? The LAST thing Dorsey wanted to do yesterday was to tip the Jets off to anything he was going to do in week 1. Why don't we wait and see how the first 4 games go before deciding where Dorsey stands.

So who were the "talent" that Allen lost over the last few years? Rogers lost Adams, Mahomes lost Hill but all I see is that Allen loses stop gap skill players and O linemen. You can't accept the fact that Allen has had much less talent on the O line and among the skill players over the last 5 years then Burrow, Mahomes, Hurts, Rogers, Brady, Prescott, Herbert, Jackson, Stafford, etc., etc. And when dd Allen stop being an elite QB? By every measure Allen was elite in 2022.

Judas Priest this is over the top - comparing Allen to Rob Johnson. Really?

Hey it's a free country so go ahead and blame Allen for us losing last nights critically important preseason game. And did you watch the games in 2022? We threw plenty of short timing passes, particularly in the first half of the season. My take is that defenses adjusted and we found ourselves lacking the quality play makers at RB & WR (outside of Diggs) to make it work in the face of the adjustments. For crying out loud we signed Smoke & Beasley OFF THE FREAKING STREET to try to juice the receiving group. So yea with the additions they made in the off season to boost the number & quality of play makers I expect Dorsey & Allen to execute more of the rhythm short passing game with a couple of deadly deep shots thrown in to keep defenses honest.

Bingo. We have seen Allen stand in and take nasty hits time after time while delivering a perfect strike. Obviously he was told by McD that in the preseason he is to bail the moment he feels pressure. And for the record on that play Allen came pretty close to be sandwiched between the two end rushers.

At least 4 throws. Obviously Dorsey isn't going to showcase the quick hitting throws that are likely to make up a big part of the offenses passing game against the Jets in week one. That you don't understand this is eye opening.

We won't really be able to intelligently answer this question until after this season. How soon does Miller get back and what is his impact when he does. At the same time our O line isn't going into look like it did last night. So TODAY I would say the money should have gone to the O line. But I reserve the right to change my mind as this season goes along.